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Anyone have att tv and have sign on issues with apps (like ESPN etc.) I have two firesticks and every time I select att tv as my provider login and login to my att account it just goes back to select provider...ESPN Disney National Geographic all do it I haven’t tested other apps


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@yesnomaybe , Netflix does not support Atmos with Netflix on the stick, although some have reported that they do on the latest Cube.
One of the only reasons I also have ATV 4ks...
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One of the only reasons I also have ATV 4ks...

Just curious, why am ATV 4K over a 2nd Gen Cube?


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The cubes have to devote too much resource to the voice command capabilities. I don’t do voice command...

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The cubes have to devote too much resource to the voice command capabilities. I don’t do voice command...

I hear you there. The only reason I would get the Cube over the Stick is because of Atmos in Netflix.


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Just curious, why am ATV 4K over a 2nd Gen Cube?

Because despite some relatively minor issues, and being trapped in the "We're Apple, we'll tell you what you need!" insanity, and having to spend almost $200, overall there are ZERO issues with the Apple box not supporting DV or Atmos on some service this week but not next, but the next update will reverse that and now the sites without DV support have it, but you can't even get 5.1 at the moment. What? Stereo audio is not good enough for that expensive 7.2.4 system you spent a fortune on?

Which is pretty much the entire history of Amazon streamers (I own the 2nd gen 4K streamer as well as the 4K stick).

I just got tired of the endless nonsense Amazon puts their users through.

If the streaming service and the content I want to watch supports DV and Atmos, quit screwing around and give me that, Amazon. I don't want to hear excuses about a product that's been shipping for two years, nor do I care about your political issues with competitors and why it is you disable stuff to spite them.

If you're going to be in streaming hardware business, BE IN THE STREAMING HARDWARE BUSINESS, and put out hardware that does what you claim it's supposed to do.


That would be why I chose the AppleTV4K. I got sick of Amazon's bullfeces.
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Because despite some relatively minor issues, and being trapped in the "We're Apple, we'll tell you what you need!" insanity, and having to spend almost $200, overall there are ZERO issues with the Apple box not supporting DV or Atmos on some service this week but not next, but the next update will reverse that and now the sites without DV support have it, but you can't even get 5.1 at the moment. What? Stereo audio is not good enough for that expensive 7.2.4 system you spent a fortune on?

Which is pretty much the entire history of Amazon streamers (I own the 2nd gen 4K streamer as well as the 4K stick).

I just got tired of the endless nonsense Amazon puts their users through.

If the streaming service and the content I want to watch supports DV and Atmos, quit screwing around and give me that, Amazon. I don't want to hear excuses about a product that's been shipping for two years, nor do I care about your political issues with competitors and why it is you disable stuff to spite them.

If you're going to be in streaming hardware business, BE IN THE STREAMING HARDWARE BUSINESS, and put out hardware that does what you claim it's supposed to do.


That would be why I chose the AppleTV4K. I got sick of Amazon's bullfeces.

I love the ATV as well but I just recently got an OLED TV and there are issues with the ATV and OLED’s with raised blacks in Dolby Vision. Which is a bummer because I love the device otherwise. The Cube seems to have great support for Atmos and Dolby Vision as well which is why I asked.


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I hear you there. The only reason I would get the Cube over the Stick is because of Atmos in Netflix.


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For $50 or $60 more I think it’s a nobrainer to go with a ATV 4k over a Amazon Cube. But that’s JMHO. But unfortunately their is no ONE perfect streaming device. At each of my main viewing locations I have a FireTV Stick 4k, a Nvidia Shield, and a ATV 4k...
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I love the ATV as well but I just recently got an OLED TV and there are issues with the ATV and OLED’s with raised blacks in Dolby Vision. Which is a bummer because I love the device otherwise. The Cube seems to have great support for Atmos and Dolby Vision as well which is why I asked.

I've been reading about that issue of raised blacks in DV on the ATV4K on and off since I got it. I have the LG E6 OLED, and I have never seen that, not once. I watch some DV content on Amazon Prime (as little as there is), Netflix, Disney+ and CBS All Access. And a few UHD BR disks. The blacks are solid and consistently black. And I have the brightness set on my E6 such that letterbox black bars just barely meld into the black bezel on the panel, and if I play back a black 0 IRE screen, the screen is totally dark. I occasionally will play that 0 IRE image back, raise the brightness slowly in a dark room until the screen barely starts to glow, then back it down until the glow disappears. It's the same way I set brightness on the $35K pro Sony BVM series OLED monitors I use at work.

There may be some issue with the later models I don't know about, but the E6 has been consistently fine.
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@yesnomaybe , Netflix does not support Atmos with Netflix on the stick, although some have reported that they do on the latest Cube.
It does through Kodi. It was posted several times here
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Probably unnecessary, but I'm upgrading from monoprice certified 4k ultra slim cables to their new 8k Ultra high speed 48Gbps slim cables. Just want the best signal possible and "future proof" my system. Mine came as a 3 pack set which are in stock > https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=39477
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I've been reading about that issue of raised blacks in DV on the ATV4K on and off since I got it. I have the LG E6 OLED, and I have never seen that, not once. I watch some DV content on Amazon Prime (as little as there is), Netflix, Disney+ and CBS All Access. And a few UHD BR disks. The blacks are solid and consistently black. And I have the brightness set on my E6 such that letterbox black bars just barely meld into the black bezel on the panel, and if I play back a black 0 IRE screen, the screen is totally dark. I occasionally will play that 0 IRE image back, raise the brightness slowly in a dark room until the screen barely starts to glow, then back it down until the glow disappears. It's the same way I set brightness on the $35K pro Sony BVM series OLED monitors I use at work.

There may be some issue with the later models I don't know about, but the E6 has been consistently fine.

Over on the ATV4K forum, a long time user says their ATV4K exhibits raised blacks with DV content on the same E6 set I have, so I have no idea what's going on. The ATV4K just released an update, and for that user, the problem persists. I lurk there but don't post. I haven't loaded the new update for the ATV4K yet.
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Over on the ATV4K forum, a long time user says their ATV4K exhibits raised blacks with DV content on the same E6 set I have, so I have no idea what's going on. The ATV4K just released an update, and for that user, the problem persists. I lurk there but don't post. I haven't loaded the new update for the ATV4K yet.
I don't have an OLED, but I have a Vizio P65 and Sony 900F doing DolbyVision. In my experience Blacks can look elevated on some native Apps versus invoking the App via the AppleTV or Amazon servers.
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Probably unnecessary, but I'm upgrading from monoprice certified 4k ultra slim cables to their new 8k Ultra high speed 48Gbps slim cables. Just want the best signal possible and "future proof" my system. Mine came as a 3 pack set which are in stock > https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=39477

You will probably be okay with those new Monoprice cables, but anyone truly interested in future-proofing themselves to the extent possible would be better served awaiting the availability of Ultra High Speed Certified cables, expected sometime in the coming months. Any cable displaying the below label will have passed the HDMI Licensing Administrator's certification program, ensuring that it meets the established standards for the UHD format.




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Probably unnecessary, but I'm upgrading from monoprice certified 4k ultra slim cables to their new 8k Ultra high speed 48Gbps slim cables. Just want the best signal possible and "future proof" my system. Mine came as a 3 pack set which are in stock > https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=39477
Is three feet the max length?

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Is three feet the max length?

From what I have read, and FWIW, two to three meters (ca. six to nine feet) is supposed to be the maximum assured length for Ultra High Speed (8K) HDMI delivery over a passive cable.
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Anyone have att tv and have sign on issues with apps (like ESPN etc.) I have two firesticks and every time I select att tv as my provider login and login to my att account it just goes back to select provider...ESPN Disney National Geographic all do it I haven’t tested other apps


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@yesnomaybe , Netflix does not support Atmos with Netflix on the stick, although some have reported that they do on the latest Cube.
It does through Kodi. It was posted several times here
Yes, however, the OP ( @yesnomaybe ) was referring to the native NF app on said devices; according to Netflix FAQs (you enter your device, then select "Using Netflix on your [device name]", then it says under "Netflix Features" whether Atmos is supported or not). I posted the current list of all of the current devices that Netflix supports Atmos on each device's native Netflix app, here it is again:
  • Apple TV 4K (requires tvOS 12 or later)
  • LG OLED TVs (2017 or newer models)
  • Nvidia Shield (2019 models only, not listed, but confirmed)
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  • Pixela 4K Smart Tuner
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  • Vizio TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Windows 10 computer or tablet (requires Windows 10 RS3 Build 16299 or later)
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I didn't list the one Amazon device (Cube 2nd gen?), because Netflix still doesn't list it, however, some here have confirmed that it does. HTH

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Yes, however, the OP ( @yesnomaybe ) was referring to the native NF app on said devices; according to Netflix FAQs (you enter your device, then select "Using Netflix on your [device name]", then it says under "Netflix Features" whether Atmos is supported or not). I posted the current list of all of the current devices that Netflix supports Atmos on each device's native Netflix app, here it is again:
  • Apple TV 4K (requires tvOS 12 or later)
  • LG OLED TVs (2017 or newer models)
  • Nvidia Shield (2019 models only, not listed, but confirmed)
  • Panasonic TVs (2019 or newer models)
  • Pixela 4K Smart Tuner
  • Sony Bravia Android TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Toshiba TVs (2019 or newer models)
  • Vizio TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Windows 10 computer or tablet (requires Windows 10 RS3 Build 16299 or later)
  • Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X

I didn't list the one Amazon device (Cube 2nd gen?), because Netflix still doesn't list it, however, some here have confirmed that it does. HTH
NF native app does not have atmos that's why others checked other solution instead of buying more expensive device. OP might be was not informed because he did not search that it can have atmos through Kodi. Regardless what the list says, Netflix through Kodi supports Atmos in FireTV Stick 4K.
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NF native app does not have atmos that's why others checked other solution instead of buying more expensive device. OP might be was not informed because he did not search that it can have atmos through Kodi. Regardless what the list says, Netflix through Kodi supports Atmos in FireTV Stick 4K.
The bigger issue here is that Netflix needs to stop 'screwing over' users that have Roku and Fire TV devices that are capable of ATMOS support. If the same streaming hardware and television combination will play ATMOS audio for Disney+ and Prime Video ATMOS content we should get the same with Netflix ATMOS content. An add-on hack app is not the solution most are seeking. If Netflix is happy to receive a monthly premium pricing fee from its users they should provide a premium video and audio experience to devices that can support both. Our choices should not be add another app/hack or buy another more expensive hardware streaming device.
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The bigger issue here is that Netflix needs to stop 'screwing over' users that have Roku and Fire TV devices that are capable of ATMOS support. If the same streaming hardware and television combination will play ATMOS audio for Disney+ and Prime Video ATMOS content we should get the same with Netflix ATMOS content. An add-on hack app is not the solution most are seeking. If Netflix is happy to receive a monthly premium pricing fee from its users they should provide a premium video and audio experience to devices that can support both. Our choices should not be add another app/hack or buy another more expensive hardware streaming device.

How do you know it's the Netflix app at fault, and not some petty OS-based crippling of high end features by Amazon Prime, which considers Netflix to be their big competitor?

Point is, only developers know whether an issue is the app, or the underlying OS on the hardware, or the hardware itself. Sometimes what is obvious is not so obvious.
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How do you know it's the Netflix app at fault, and not some petty OS-based crippling of high end features by Amazon Prime, which considers Netflix to be their big competitor?

Point is, only developers know whether an issue is the app, or the underlying OS on the hardware, or the hardware itself. Sometimes what is obvious is not so obvious.
Okay. A non-technical evaluation.

I am guessing you are not a fan of Amazon, Prime Video or Fire TV OS based on your comments. I also mentioned the issue is with Roku. So, let's remove the Amazon conspiracy theory for the moment. With the exact same 'system' (TV, Streaming Device, Streaming OS, Audio Components) I can stream ATMOS content from Prime Video, Disney+ and VUDU but not Netflix, I am assuming that Netflix is making a choice that others are not that excludes ATMOS support. Disney+ did not have ATMOS support on Roku or Fire TV platforms at launch, but with updates to their app in recent months they both now offer ATMOS support. I understand there may be an underlying issue with how Netflix ATMOS audio is delivered to and then processed by hardware and an operating system on the other end. But, giving your users that are paying a premium monthly fee access to both premium video and audio support should be the goal. If other services on the same platform have accomplished the task it is likely not beyond the reach or capability of Netflix.

Is it possible that this is 100% an issue with Roku and Fire TV operating systems and not Netflix? Yes. Obvious? No.

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Okay. A non-technical evaluation.

I am guessing you are not a fan of Amazon, Prime Video or Fire TV OS based on your comments. I also mentioned the issue is with Roku. So, let's remove the Amazon conspiracy theory for the moment. With the exact same 'system' (TV, Streaming Device, Streaming OS, Audio Components) I can stream ATMOS content from Prime Video, Disney+ and VUDU but not Netflix, I am assuming that Netflix is making a choice that others are not that excludes ATMOS support. Disney+ did not have ATMOS support on Roku or Fire TV platforms at launch, but with updates to their app in recent months they both now offer ATMOS support. I understand there may be an underlying issue with how Netflix ATMOS audio is delivered to and then processed by hardware and an operating system on the other end. But, giving your users that are paying a premium monthly fee access to both premium video and audio support should be the goal. If other services on the same platform have accomplished the task it is likely not beyond the reach or capability of Netflix.

Is it possible that this is 100% an issue with Roku and Fire TV operating systems and not Netflix? Yes. Obvious? No.
It is certainly possible that just like the 2015/2017 Nvidia Shields the FireTV Stick 4k lacks the Mulstistream Decoder MS12 that is required to provide NetFlix ATMOS support. Honestly IDK as whenever I play stuff on NetFlix I just use my ATV 4k which does support NetFlix ATMOS.

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Okay. A non-technical evaluation. I am guessing you are not a fan of Amazon, Prime Video or Fire TV OS based on your comments. But, I will attempt to answer your question. With the exact same 'system' (TV, Streaming Device, Streaming OS, Audio Compoenents) I can stream ATMOS content from Prime Video, Disney+ and VUDU but not Netflix, I am assuming that Netflix is making a choice that others are not to exclude ATMOS support. Disney+ did not have ATMOS support on Roku or Fire TV platforms at launch, but with updates to their app in recent months they both offer ATMOS support.

Is it possible that this is 100% an issue with Roku and Fire TV operating systems and not Netflix? Yes. Obvious? No.
It is, of course, possible that the issue lies with the Netflix app and not Roku or the Firestick. It is also possible that when the Netflix app queries the Firestick hardware if it supports Atmos, or if the sound system to which it is connected supports Atmos, it responds "no" for some reason.

Frankly, it doesn't really matter who is at fault when features aren't available. It's the user that loses out when that's a constant ongoing battle.
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It is certainly possible that just like the 2015/2017 Nvidia Shields the FireTV Stick 4k lacks the Mulstistream Decoder MS12 that is required to provide NetFlix ATMOS support. Honestly IDK as whenever I play stuff on NetFlix I just use my ATV 4k which does support NetFlix ATMOS.
Yea. I get that. But it is the same on Roku TV's as well as Fire TV 4K Sticks. If Disney+ and Prime Video have a solution that works it seems reasonable to expect a similar one from Netflix. Netflix re-mastered all of their video content with more efficient video codecs a few years ago. Seems like serving up an alternative ATMOS stream would be a less daunting task. But, perhaps it is and this is something for streaming device hardware and/or operating systems to address.

Adding another high-priced hardware device to support one streaming service just feels like an unnecessary and punitive option.
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Frankly, it doesn't really matter who is at fault when features aren't available. It's the user that loses out when that's a constant ongoing battle.
Full agreement. We shouldn't have to hit the 'hardware/software/app jackpot' in order to get a premium video and audio experience if that is what we are paying for monthly.
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Yea. I get that. But it is the same on Roku TV's as well as Fire TV 4K Sticks. If Disney+ and Prime Video have a solution that works it seems reasonable to expect a similar one from Netflix. Netflix re-mastered all of their video content with more efficient video codecs a few years ago. Seems like serving up an alternative ATMOS stream would be a less daunting task. But, perhaps it is and this is something for streaming device hardware and/or operating systems to address.

Adding another high-priced hardware device to support one streaming service just feels like an unnecessary and punitive option.
The point I was trying to make is that it is certainly possible, as I described, for it not to be as simple as NetFlix just changing the app that runs on the FireTV Stick 4k (or the 2015/2017 Nvidia Shields). Re-encoding their ATMOS content is much more involved than just updating the app. My guess is that if it were an easy fix NetFlix would do it to support the users of those platforms which would certainly be in NetFlix’s best interest.

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Full agreement. We shouldn't have to hit the 'hardware/software/app jackpot' in order to get a premium video and audio experience if that is what we are paying for monthly.
No argument here. I’d much rather be able to have 1 streaming device that could do it all rather than the situation I’m faced with now where at each of my main viewing locations I have a FireTV Stick 4k, a Nvidia Shield, and a ATV 4k...
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No argument here. I’d much rather be able to have 1 streaming device that could do it all rather than the situation I’m faced with now where at each of my main viewing locations I have a FireTV Stick 4k, a Nvidia Shield, and a ATV 4k...
I hear you!! I call it streaming service whack-a-mole.

CBS ALL ACCESS is the latest addition to this. A recent update to the standalone app on Fire TV 4K provides 1080p Dolby Vision / HDR video support for Star Trek: Discovery and Picard content. But still with stereo audio. The CBS ALL ACCESS Prime Video Channel on Fire Stick 4K supports 1080p HD video and 5.1 audio.

Whack!! Whack!! ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!
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