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I'm using the NF plug in on Kodi to get Atmos on NF, funny, it works perfectly. A bit kludgy but working, so why can't the std. NF app give Atmos? Only NF knows.

Last year my TCL TV was on the NF Atmos list but it quickly disappeared. Dropped NF for exactly tat reason and told them I"m not paying for a premium service and not getting all I"m paying for. Then the Corona Virus hit and I relented - for now. NF is making $$$$$$$ hand over fist at this point and they can't devote some of that cash to resolving Atmos issues? Really sucky on your part NF.
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I have an issue with Apple TV on Firestick 4K. Some of the movies play only in 2.0 and they supposed to play in 5.1. Apple TV+ plays fine in DD+ 5.1, I only have problems with movies from iTunes library and not all of them. For example: Top Gun and Die Hard with vengeance play only in 2.0 and 13 Hours and Shutter Island play fine in DD+ 5.1.



I tried to contact Apple about this issue but the case is taking them over a week and they have no idea what it could be. Maybe it is just some setting?
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Does anyone have a clip of HDR10+ to test on Firestick ?

I tried from Youtube but it's not accurate
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Does anyone have a clip of HDR10+ to test on Firestick ?

I tried from Youtube but it's not accurate

Most of the Amazon 4K stuff is in HDR10+.


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Most of the Amazon 4K stuff is in HDR10+.


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I'm not subscriber

Ah, gotcha. I am not currently either. I don't think YouTube has any that are HDR10+ and as far as I know Amazon Prime would be the only way to test it. If you have Movies Anywhere linked with your Amazon then you could probably get some Movies to playback in HDR10+ through Amazon. I don't think you would have to be a member for that situation.


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May 9, 2020 CNET article on cables:

https://www.cnet.com/news/best...ur-...r-tv-for-2020/

I bought a monoprice certified premium 3' set. Has official ceritified seal on package. Am returning non-certified 8k ultra slim set. And non-certified cable matters 3' 8k ultra high speed set.
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May 9, 2020 CNET article on cables:

https://www.cnet.com/news/best...ur-...r-tv-for-2020/

I bought a monoprice certified premium 3' set. Has official ceritified seal on package. Am returning non-certified 8k ultra slim set. And non-certified cable matters 3' 8k ultra high speed set.
But if the monoprice premium certified are so damn good, why are there 111 critical reviews on Amazon saying they're not?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews...yStar=critical

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I already have monopeuce certified premium ultra slim high speed cables installed. Scanning the package label's sticker with the HDMI app verifies they're good. So why the devil am I still looking at other cables? Don't know. Caught up in the hdmi 2.1 8k hype I guess. Completely unnecessary.

What's the difference between the ultra slim and the regular premium certified cables? Which ones give a better signal?
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@DweibOne , digital HDMI cables aren't like old analog component video cables, where gauge and build quality have an effect on video quality, since you're sending "ones and zeros" across HDMI; so you shouldn't see any difference at all between different Premium Certified cables (of course, when you compare Premium Certified to non-Premium Certified, you may start to notice very noticeable differences in quality, such as screen blanks or "sparklies" with cables that aren't certified).
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@DweibOne , digital HDMI cables aren't like old analog component video cables, where gauge and build quality have an effect on video quality, since you're sending "ones and zeros" across HDMI; so you shouldn't see any difference at all between different Premium Certified cables (of course, when you compare Premium Certified to non-Premium Certified, you may start to notice very noticeable differences in quality, such as screen blanks or "sparklies" with cables that aren't certified).
Nah, not seeing any difference at all between new monoprice premium certified cables and my 2016 Amazon high speed hdmi cables (w/ethernet).

I would think youd see occasional pixelation before you'd see sparkies (whatever that is).

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I already have monopeuce certified premium ultra slim high speed cables installed. Scanning the package label's sticker with the HDMI app verifies they're good. So why the devil am I still looking at other cables? Don't know. Caught up in the hdmi 2.1 8k hype I guess. Completely unnecessary.

What's the difference between the ultra slim and the regular premium certified cables? Which ones give a better signal?
The difference is the thickness of the wire/cable. Theoretically their should be no difference in performance as long as they are all Certified Premium. I prefer and use the ultra slim for all my connections between components.
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I would think youd see occasional pixelation before you'd see sparkies (whatever that is).

Sparklies are little white dots that come and go and sparkle on the image. They are an indication that the error correction in the HDMI spec (yes, surprisingly, HDMI and most digital signals have error correction) is close to being exceeded and the signal is about to fall off the cliff. The more sparklies, the closer to the edge of the cliff the signal is getting. Pixelation is almost always the compression/decompression engine breaking down because it's set too high, or the image content is too dense for its setting, or there's a sudden drop in available bandwidth (all six of your kids start downloading massive amounts of data at the same time, for example).
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Nah, not seeing any difference at all between new monoprice premium certified cables and my 2016 Amazon high speed hdmi cables (w/ethernet).

I would think youd see occasional pixelation before you'd see sparkies (whatever that is).
I think you have about beaten this dead horse enough. The reason I replaced my Amazon "latest HDMI standards" cables a few years ago, was the ambiguity of the labeling, latest standards in 2010 or 2018 etc. It is just as easy to buy certified 18 Gbps cables with the holographic seal as the Amazon Basics. As everyone has said either they work or they don't and certified cables are cheap considering the expensive gear they are connecting.
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I think you have about beaten this dead horse enough. The reason I replaced my Amazon "latest HDMI standards" cables a few years ago, was the ambiguity of the labeling, latest standards in 2010 or 2018 etc. It is just as easy to buy certified 18 Gbps cables with the holographic seal as the Amazon Basics. As everyone has said either they work or they don't and certified cables are cheap considering the expensive gear they are connecting.
Yes I have both the ultra slim and the regular certified premiums. All with official hologram on packages which I scanned and verified. But then there is the hype surrounding these newer hdmi 2.1 cables that I'm curious about. Along with other companies, Monoprice has released a 3' set. HDMI.org has yet to certify any of them. But obviously there's no point in looking at those now since we dont have 8k equipment yet. Still, I like to experiment. I have new 2.1 sets from monoprice, pacroban and cable matters to play with. And who knows, I might go 8k before too long.

Why are 8k hdmi 2.1 cables thicker than 4k cables? I mean if its just a digital signal, what difference does that make?

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Currently evaluating these: Cable Matters 3-Pack 48Gbps Ultra 8K HDMI Cable with 8K 120Hz and HDR Support - 1m, 3.3 Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081NTWGYN..._T0r0EbFSRQMQM And so far I like them the best. Of all the cables I looked at these are giving me the clearest sharpest picture with great Atmos and HDR. Read the description and reviews. Cable Matters also has premium certified 4k cables w/validated hologram on package.

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But if the monoprice premium certified are so damn good, why are there 111 critical reviews on Amazon saying they're not?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews...yStar=critical
Much of it is user error. Like when people try to jam an HDMI cable in upside down. I've used dozens of the Monoprice premium certified cables. They have a lifetime warranty. The couple of cables I had an issue with, they were replaced by Monoprice.

If you look at some of those critical reviews, it's obvious many were user error issues. Over the last fifteen years, between home and work, I've dealt with thousands of HDMI cables. And the only time I've seen some of the issues talked about in the critical reviews, is when the user had no idea what they were doing with the cable. And damaged it.
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Currently evaluating these.... Of all the cables I looked at these are giving me the clearest sharpest picture with great Atmos and HDR.
Sorry but that is impossible. Placebo effect or you are not doing an A B comparison of the same video. Have you tried any of those 100 dollar cables to check their wow factor?
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Sorry but that is impossible. Placebo effect or you are not doing an A B comparison of the same video. Have you tried any of those 100 dollar cables to check their wow factor?
Nope. Sorry. Been playing with A/V gear for over 50 years. You can throw at me whatever test data and evals. you have. I evaluated the monoprice premiums which I still have. But I still prefer these Cable Matters hdmi 2.1's. The PQ and audio simply looks better to me. No argument and certainly no frickin' "placebo" effect mate. But to each his own. good luck to you.

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Currently evaluating these: Cable Matters 3-Pack 48Gbps Ultra 8K HDMI Cable with 8K 120Hz and HDR Support - 1m, 3.3 Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081NTWGYN..._T0r0EbFSRQMQM And so far I like them the best. Of all the cables I looked at these are giving me the clearest sharpest picture with great Atmos and HDR. Read the description and reviews. Cable Matters also has premium certified 4k cables w/validated hologram on package.
$20 for a 3 foot HDMI cable...LOL...at least they have pretty colors...LOL
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$20 for a 3 foot HDMI cable...LOL...at least they have pretty colors...LOL
Could be. With the FS4K slapped into the back of my Denon AVR, I sat here and carefully watched the same hdr-atmos clip of season 2 Jack Ryan over and over again with the Monoprice premies, the Pacroban 2.1's and the Cable Matters 2.1's . All 3ft. Not just once. But several times. And the CM cables won. 'nuff said. have a nice day

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Could be. With the FS4K slapped into the back of my Denon AVR, I sat here and carefully watched the same hdr-atmos clip of season 2 Jack Ryan over and over again with the Monoprice premies, the Pacroban 2.1's and the Cable Matters 2.1's . All 3ft. Not just once. But several times. And the CM cables won. 'nuff said. have a nice day
No worries...whatever floats your boat. But without doing a blind A/B test (with someone else swapping out the cables and not telling you which one is which) their is no way to avoid placebo effect.

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No worries...whatever floats your boat. But without doing a blind A/B test (with someone else swapping out the cables and not telling you which one is which) their is no way to avoid placebo effect.
You're absolutely correct. Every 4k Dolby Vision movie (set aside Billy Lynn and Gemini Man for the moment) has a maximum data rate of 13.4 Gbps over the HDMI cable. A cable with the capacity of 48 Gbps isn't going to make any of those bits prettier, or shinier. As long as all of the bits arrive at their destination, the image cannot be different from one cable to the next. Regular 2.0 HDMI cables have 18 Gbps capacity, which is more than enough for every UHD bluray movie.
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Let take the cable discussion to another thread or more appropriate forum. We've had a couple of report posts. A normal side track happens...but a discussion on cables can go on and on

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TIDAL music in Dolby Atmos on FireTV 4K


TIDAL is now offering Music streaming in Dolby Atmos and FireTV Stick 4K is one of the supported devices, according to TIDAL.

BUT, unfortunately, it seems that the TIDAL App on FireTV 4K only play TIDAL Stereo and cannot play Dolby Atmos. When playing a track in Atmos a message appears saying this is not a supported device.
It could be a TIDAL fault/bug, or a FireTV 4K fault/bug. Who knows...

I post this here to poll about if any of you manage to run TIDAL Atmos on FireTV 4K
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I post this here to poll about if any of you manage to run TIDAL Atmos on FireTV 4K
Not working here yet. I'm hoping it is just an app update that hasn't rolled out yet. Articles were mixed on exactly when this feature should be available on all the cited platforms, one indicating roll-out over a few days.
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Not working here yet. I'm hoping it is just an app update that hasn't rolled out yet. Articles were mixed on exactly when this feature should be available on all the cited platforms, one indicating roll-out over a few days.
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TIDAL music in Dolby Atmos on FireTV 4K


TIDAL is now offering Music streaming in Dolby Atmos and FireTV Stick 4K is one of the supported devices, according to TIDAL.

BUT, unfortunately, it seems that the TIDAL App on FireTV 4K only play TIDAL Stereo and cannot play Dolby Atmos. When playing a track in Atmos a message appears saying this is not a supported device.
It could be a TIDAL fault/bug, or a FireTV 4K fault/bug. Who knows...

I post this here to poll about if any of you manage to run TIDAL Atmos on FireTV 4K
Same on the FireTV Cube 2nd gen. Tidal clearly states that both of these are supported. But it's not working for me (and, yes, other apps on the same device get Dolby Atmos with my setup).

I've opened up an issue with Tidal, but don't expect a response until at least tomorrow.

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