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Listed to the Diana Krall's "Turn Up The Quiet" album in 24/192. Wow.... SJ
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Wow,
I now have the choice to pick the quality of audio! I have to say it sounds really good! The hi Rez Bill Evans Portrait in Jazz sounds amazing really adds depth to th sound.


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Listed to the Diana Krall's "Turn Up The Quiet" album in 24/192. Wow.... SJ
Just listened. Thanks. Amazing. Easy to compare to the 16/44 version that is also on Qobuz!
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Anybody know a easy way to just search HR on the Bluesound app?

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This service seems pretty solid and will just get better. For me, there are many more classical and jazz selections and a lot more playlists (in those specific categories) to choose from than Tidal has. I've canceled my Tidal account and will try this for awhile. Tidal had a bunch of stuff that frankly I never used. Our family also has apple music, so these are an extra service just for hi-res streaming. SJ
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This service seems pretty solid and will just get better. For me, there are many more classical and jazz selections and a lot more playlists (in those specific categories) to choose from than Tidal has. I've canceled my Tidal account and will try this for awhile. Tidal had a bunch of stuff that frankly I never used. Our family also has apple music, so these are an extra service just for hi-res streaming. SJ
I just cancelled Tidal today also.
Looking at Qobuz.

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Unfortunately it also seems that Qobuz is missing a ton of the music I listen to regularly. It seems like half the music I search for is missing. Definitely not going to work for me. Hopefully the song selection improves. Spotify has virtually everything.
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They are missing a ton. I like the quality and what I’ve seen of the curation, but there are far too many holes in the catalog for a what should be a comprehensive music service.

I do notice that when I search for an artist, it often shows a number with more releases available than show up when I click the artist. Maybe it’s just a matter of them adding the missing titles during the launch period.
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They are missing a ton. I like the quality and what I’ve seen of the curation, but there are far too many holes in the catalog for a what should be a comprehensive music service.

I do notice that when I search for an artist, it often shows a number with more releases available than show up when I click the artist. Maybe it’s just a matter of them adding the missing titles during the launch period.
I agree. I am wondering how they have been successful in Europe with so many holes in their library. I would love to be a user but given what you describe and I have seen (in addition to some other issues), I will need to wait to sign up. I may check on their web site to see if there is a way to pose this issue to them. Competition is a good thing and Tidal needs some (I'm tired of having Jay Z's music genre thrown in front of me each time I want to use Tidal) - assuming it doesn't put them out of business!!
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They are missing a ton. I like the quality and what I’ve seen of the curation, but there are far too many holes in the catalog for a what should be a comprehensive music service.

I do notice that when I search for an artist, it often shows a number with more releases available than show up when I click the artist. Maybe it’s just a matter of them adding the missing titles during the launch period.
What genres of music are they missing a ton of? Rock, pop, rap, R&B, classical, jazz? Or all of the above?

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What genres of music are this missing a ton of? Rock, pop, rap, R&B, classical, jazz? Or all of the above?
A little bit of everything, I think.

I was putting together a "grundge" playlist and couldn't get the "new" Soundgarden album (King Animal). I also couldn't get an "original mastering" of Soundgarden's Superunkown album.

I was looking forward to checking out the latest Three Days Grace album in Hi Rez, as I heard the Hi Rez release was better mastered/less bricked than Redbook.... but it was for-purchase only. No streaming.

For another playlist I was putting together some 90's pop/rock and they didn't have Soul Coughing's "circles" or President's of the United States "Lump," (from the self-titled track, not a "live" performance at the end of an album I'm unfamiliar with).

In terms of being "a traditional music streaming service" for "typical music streamers," those seem like gaps in their catalogue (not exactly "deep cuts") to me, that your average music streamer is going to find as *unacceptable*.



For me, this is about "the convenience of having so much CD quality and Hi-Rez content readily available," and not about "the convenience of having so much music readily available." It's not a traditional music streaming service (yet, at least). I'm not going to cancel my "other" (more mainstream) service. It's all about the Sound Quality here. I'm probably going to take the 30-day-free-trial on Roon within the next couple months... and that'll let me fill-gaps in this library with my own collection, for an all-in-one interface.
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Listed to the Diana Krall's "Turn Up The Quiet" album in 24/192. Wow.... SJ
Agreed. I used her "Quiet Nights" album as one of my primary A-B comparison tools between Qobuz Hi-Rez and my own HDTracks/7Digital purchases.... to my ears and on my gear, it sounds identical so far. Really n ice.

If you listen to Classical at all, I checked out Julie Fuchs Mademoiselle over the weekend after it popped up on the main Qobuz page as a "new release".... That genre is much more of a Monday-Thursday listen for me than it is a weekend album, but once I put it on, I had a hard time turning it off.... First casting to my living speakers (via chromecast), then off my main headphone rig... now I'm relistening to it in the office at 16/44.1 through my Fostex canz... exceptional sound quality, IMO.
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What genres of music are this missing a ton of? Rock, pop, rap, R&B, classical, jazz? Or all of the above?
I listen to mostly indie releases. Weirdly, some music I couldn't find two days ago has already been added like Lucy Dacus and some older Deerhunter albums. They just added Deerhunter's Monomania but Halycon Digest is still missing (although their latest two albums are available in HiFi). No Wye Oak which I listen to regularly. No Still Woozy. They seem to be missing a lot of newer single releases too. Like they have Lady Lamb but not her latest single (which Spotify has). It's especially a bummer because when I do find an artist I listen to, they frequently have HiFi versions. For instance they have Angelo De Augustine's latest album in HiFi, which I would not have expected.

Also, every time I use google cast or Airplay, I'm reminded just how good Spotify Connect is. For instance, when I switched from my iPhone to my iPad while google casting in Qobuz, I got that annoying 'music can't be played because it's being played on another device' crap (even though I had stopped playback on the iPhone). This kind of stuff is infuriating and IMO unacceptable in 2019. Meanwhile, Spotify will elegantly notify me that I am playing music on another device (I don't even have to stop playback), and then ask which device I would like to continue playback on. This is how things SHOULD work.
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I listen to mostly indie releases. Weirdly, some music I couldn't find two days ago has already been added like Lucy Dacus and some older Deerhunter albums. They just added Deerhunter's Monomania but Halycon Digest is still missing (although their latest two albums are available in HiFi). No Wye Oak which I listen to regularly. No Still Woozy. They seem to be missing a lot of newer single releases too. Like they have Lady Lamb but not her latest single (which Spotify has). It's especially a bummer because when I do find an artist I listen to, they frequently have HiFi versions. For instance they have Angelo De Augustine's latest album in HiFi, which I would not have expected.

Also, every time I use google cast or Airplay, I'm reminded just how good Spotify Connect is. For instance, when I switched from my iPhone to my iPad while google casting in Qobuz, I got that annoying 'music can't be played because it's being played on another device' crap (even though I had stopped playback on the iPhone). This kind of stuff is infuriating and IMO unacceptable in 2019. Meanwhile, Spotify will elegantly notify me that I am playing music on another device (I don't even have to stop playback), and then ask which device I would like to continue playback on. This is how things SHOULD work.
I'm in my free trial period (Studio) with Qobuz and agree the UI/UX are not as good as Spotify.
The download isn't necessarily better than HD Tracks. I'm still deciding on subscription. I do like the access to Hi-Res.

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Happy Jazz camper here. Love the curation and suggestions. How can anyone ever listen to lo rez again? To hear an Acoustic Bass actually sound like an Acoustic Bass is turning out to be a great simple pleasure for me. It's been such a long time. Rediscovering some older stuff .Aretha Franklin's "Don't play that song" from "Spirit in the dark" takes me back.

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Happy Jazz camper here. Love the curation and suggestions. How can anyone ever listen to lo rez again? To hear an Acoustic Bass actually sound like an Acoustic Bass is turning out to be a great simple pleasure for me. It's been such a long time. Rediscovering some older stuff .Aretha Franklin's "Don't play that song" from "Spirit in the dark" takes me back.
What streaming service were you using prior to Qobuz?
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I sent a question to Qobuz yesterday asking about streaming music that was labeled hi rez, but wasn't, and about their library missing so much music. The response I got is below. The red highlighted area is a huge concern for me. I was under the misconception that Qobuz would be a high rez streaming service but it appears (from their response) that while they do have high rez downloadable music, they don't yet even have hi rez streaming rights to a lot of music. So how do we know they will even get those high rez streaming rights?

I use Tidal streaming so I can explore new music and no longer need to buy CDs. The ONLY reason I would switch to Qobuz was to get high rez versions of most of what I want to listen to.

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Thanks for contacting us.

We know about an issue where certain albums that are available in Hi-Res for paid download but not streaming are labeled Hi-Res in the streaming service.

We are trying to police and repair those issues, while also trying to get Hi-Res streaming rights for the labels and artists in question.

We are still expanding the catalog and hope to have it complete in the very near future. We are adding thousands of releases every day.

If there some things you are looking for specifically, let us know and we will do our best to prioritize them.


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its a new service. Its certainly great as even my fiance prefers it over spotify or tidal.

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its a new service. Its certainly great as even my fiance prefers it over spotify or tidal.
I love what Tidal provides as I use their "CD Quality" service. I would switch to Qobuz ONLY to stream high rez but, according to their response, they don't even have the rights to offer streamed versions for a lot of music. Had the response read something like: "We are loading the high rez versions daily' is a completely different response than what is basically: "we don't have the rights to stream high rez versions of the music but we are trying to get those rights". What is the guarantee they will get those rights?

So I'm just curious. What is it you and your fiancé like so much about it other than being able to stream high rez music? For the music that is high rez, I would agree with you, but there is a lot that is not, and apparently no GUARANTEE that it will be.
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I love what Tidal provides as I use their "CD Quality" service. I would switch to Qobuz ONLY to stream high rez but, according to their response, they don't even have the rights to offer streamed versions for a lot of music. Had the response read something like: "We are loading the high rez versions daily' is a completely different response than what is basically: "we don't have the rights to stream high rez versions of the music but we are trying to get those rights". What is the guarantee they will get those rights?

So I'm just curious. What is it you and your fiancé like so much about it other than being able to stream high rez music? For the music that is high rez, I would agree with you, but there is a lot that is not, and apparently no GUARANTEE that it will be.
No one here is arguing that the Qobuz library isn't a little nerfed (so far). But of what they do have in their library, most everything that I'd want to listen to in Hi-Rez has been in Hi-Rez. And it sounds great to my ears.

I also think I like the CD-quality streams on Qobuz (if only a little bit) more than on Tidal. And they support CD-quality streaming over a broader list of supported web browsers than Tidal, including Firefox, which I want/need support for when I'm at the office.

Finally, Tidal really botched their "plex integration;" the decision to not support Google Cast from within the Plex app, combined with the lack of support for CD-quality streaming over Firefox, both were dealbreakers for me.

Head-to-head, qobuz is a clear winner (for me).
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I love what Tidal provides as I use their "CD Quality" service. I would switch to Qobuz ONLY to stream high rez but, according to their response, they don't even have the rights to offer streamed versions for a lot of music. Had the response read something like: "We are loading the high rez versions daily' is a completely different response than what is basically: "we don't have the rights to stream high rez versions of the music but we are trying to get those rights". What is the guarantee they will get those rights?

So I'm just curious. What is it you and your fiancé like so much about it other than being able to stream high rez music? For the music that is high rez, I would agree with you, but there is a lot that is not, and apparently no GUARANTEE that it will be.

well, we play hires nearly exclusively. A bigger selection doesn't necessarily mean better. Short of Garth Brooks we have yet to stumble upon an album or track missing from Qobuz.

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well, we play hires nearly exclusively. A bigger selection doesn't necessarily mean better. Short of Garth Brooks we have yet to stumble upon an album or track missing from Qobuz.
That is sure not the case for me. I am now beginning to wonder if the Roon implementation of Qobuz is somehow crippled? I will do some spot checking.
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I love what Tidal provides as I use their "CD Quality" service. I would switch to Qobuz ONLY to stream high rez but, according to their response, they don't even have the rights to offer streamed versions for a lot of music. Had the response read something like: "We are loading the high rez versions daily' is a completely different response than what is basically: "we don't have the rights to stream high rez versions of the music but we are trying to get those rights". What is the guarantee they will get those rights?

So I'm just curious. What is it you and your fiancé like so much about it other than being able to stream high rez music? For the music that is high rez, I would agree with you, but there is a lot that is not, and apparently no GUARANTEE that it will be.
Not all content is available in high res, regardless of the service. Although Tidal has a lot of MQA, most of their library is not available in MQA.
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Anybody made any purchases yet through the Qobuz download store?

- Are purchases available for download multiple times (similar to 7Digital; not like HDTracks)?

- Do purchases made at Hi Rez stream through Qobuz at Hi-Rez, regardless of streaming subscription tier (for example: If you opt for the 16/44.1 "CD" stream, will a HiRez purchase made from the download store play back at HiRez through the Qobuz app)?
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I received another response from Qobuz:

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Thanks for your feedback. The rights are controlled by the record labels and rights holders. We, like the other streaming services, need their permission for different delivery options (ie streaming + downloading).

We will be offering all the Hi-Res that is available to our users (ie all the Hi-Res music made available by the rights holders). The rest of our catalog will be at least in CD quality.

Right now we are still completing our catalog (ingesting music from the labels). I can't give you a specific time table. But I can tell you it will be very soon.

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I have cancelled my Tidal subscription. Signed up for Qobuz for a year to see how it goes. Their high rez stuff is terrific.
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For those of you with Roon, are you finding any differences between Tidal and Qoobuz when it comes to music searches, performance, sound quality, etc etc?

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For those of you with Roon, are you finding any differences between Tidal and Qoobuz when it comes to music searches, performance, sound quality, etc etc?
I refuse to buy into the MQA nonsense so therefore Qobuz has REAL high rez music while Tidal does not. As of this moment, Tidal's library is larger but Qobuz is working at getting more material.

And best of all, each time I go to the Qobuz section, I don't have music by JayZ and his buddies thrown in my face.
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I refuse to buy into the MQA nonsense so therefore Qobuz has REAL high rez music while Tidal does not. As of this moment, Tidal's library is larger but Qobuz is working at getting more material.

And best of all, each time I go to the Qobuz section, I don't have music by JayZ and his buddies thrown in my face.
I’m with you. Also, all the discussions about first unfold, etc. Just give me the high rez file and let me play it! I never looked at any of the JayZ and buddies stuff including videos. SJ
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I’m with you. Also, all the discussions about first unfold, etc. Just give me the high rez file and let me play it! I never looked at any of the JayZ and buddies stuff including videos. SJ
Pros and cons to each service IMO. Qobuz doesn't rely on MQA, and so therefore no proprietary equipment is needed. However their price is higher @25 per month and the high res library is currently smaller.

I'm going to wait for Qobuz to increase their high res library before signing up for a trial. They claim that it won't take long but who knows?
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