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Pros and cons to each service IMO. Qobuz doesn't rely on MQA, and so therefore no proprietary equipment is needed. However their price is higher @25 per month and the high res library is currently smaller.

I'm going to wait for Qobuz to increase their high res library before signing up for a trial. They claim that it won't take long but who knows?
The price difference is basically negated if you sign up for a year. It works out to be a smidge over $20/month.

Lastly, I don't listen to streamed music exclusively (I still have a huge ripped library of some excellent music) nor do I listen multiple hours every day. So while the Qobuz library is currently smaller than that of Tidal, I am OK with that for now. There is WAY more available great music on Qobuz now that I can't even make a tiny dent in listening to what is there that I like. And lastly, I feel so strongly anti-MQA, I want to insure I don't feed them any of my money.
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The price difference is basically negated if you sign up for a year. It works out to be a smidge over $20/month.

Lastly, I don't listen to streamed music exclusively (I still have a huge ripped library of some excellent music) nor do I listen multiple hours every day. So while the Qobuz library is currently smaller than that of Tidal, I am OK with that for now. There is WAY more available great music on Qobuz now that I can't even make a tiny dent in listening to what is there that I like. And lastly, I feel so strongly anti-MQA, I want to insure I don't feed them any of my money.
Fair points but that could be viewed as a negative, that one has to commit for a year (ie. contract) in order to get comparable pricing.

It's not about whether there is enough high res music to consume, as obviously no one has the time to listen to everything available (2 million high res tracks or whatever the number Tidal is using today). It's about the service being an on demand service and whether they have the specific content that the subscriber wants. If I lookup an artist that I listen to a lot and find out that Qobuz only has 2/20 albums, that would be less than satisfactory and it would be irrelevant that they have 40 million titles in total.
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Fair points but that could be viewed as a negative, that one has to commit for a year (ie. contract) in order to get comparable pricing.
If you have already purchased gear, and the gear you own doesn't support MQA, then the break even point where the $5-per-month you'd save on Tidal MQA plus new gear needed to use Tidal MQA vs. your current gear + $5-per-month-extra on Qobuz is pretty far out into the distant future...

Annual plans may not be for everyone, but I, for one, intend to take advantage of the opportunity to save $40 or $50.
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If you have already purchased gear, and the gear you own doesn't support MQA, then the break even point where the $5-per-month you'd save on Tidal MQA plus new gear needed to use Tidal MQA vs. your current gear + $5-per-month-extra on Qobuz is pretty far out into the distant future...

Annual plans may not be for everyone, but I, for one, intend to take advantage of the opportunity to save $40 or $50.
The MQA gear required will vary depending on what one's goals are. One could spend a lot (Bluesound) or one could buy a cheaper Audioquest Dragonfly Black for $99. And the Dragonfly will have benefits beyond listening to MQA.

Pros/cons all around.
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The MQA gear required will vary depending on what one's goals are. One could spend a lot (Bluesound) or one could buy a cheaper Audioquest Dragonfly Black for $99. And the Dragonfly will have benefits beyond listening to MQA.

Pros/cons all around.
I'll be trying Qobuz in a couple of days so I can compare it to Tidal. I'm an owner of Bluesound gear already so no added expense. While Bluesound is certainly more expensive than Dragonfly it is still one of the cheaper options. I'm also a Veteran and Tidal gives a discount to Veteran's so that makes Tidal even cheaper to subscribe to for some. The best thing is that now Tidal has competition and that often works out well for consumers. Lastly, at least we now have good streaming options to choose from so I can sit on my couch with my tablet and play quality sounding music without having to get up to change disc. Still like SACD's with multichannel though. In the end, options are good problems to have no matter which camp you end up in.
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The best thing is that now Tidal has competition and that often works out well for consumers.
Except it may not work out well for Tidal. They were on shaky financial ground previously, and according to my most recent limited research, they are still not particularly financially stable. If Qobuz takes away too many of their subscribers (and I think they may), Tidal could easily go south - and then we are back to a single hi rez streaming service. Which ultimately means, it may not be so good for consumers after all.

When JayZ, et all took over Tidal, they were all about making sure the artists got more money per stream even if it meant Tidal would make less money. I have a daughter who has published a few songs that are on Tidal (and the other streaming services). According to he (even with her very limited numbers), if Tidal is allowing more money to go to the artist, she is not seeing it!
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When JayZ, et all took over Tidal, they were all about making sure the artists got more money per stream even if it meant Tidal would make less money. I have a daughter who has published a few songs that are on Tidal (and the other streaming services). According to he (even with her very limited numbers), if Tidal is allowing more money to go to the artist, she is not seeing it!
I don't know all the details of the financials, but I do know that back in the day, artists were making money selling music via physical media. With the cost of physical media now out of the equation, you would think artists would be making more (i.e. cost of goods are way less), but they are actually making less. I don't quite get it. Was it bad negotiating on the part of the record labels?
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I don't know all the details of the financials, but I do know that back in the day, artists were making money selling music via physical media. With the cost of physical media now out of the equation, you would think artists would be making more (i.e. cost of goods are way less), but they are actually making less. I don't quite get it. Was it bad negotiating on the part of the record labels?
If you do the research, you will find that the primary revenue source for even very well known singers is NOT from the sale of their music but rather from concerts, appearances, and stuff they sell at their concerts and appearances (e.g. T-Shirts, physical discs, etc). Streaming has not been to the benefit of the artists but to everyone else, including the consumer. Think about it, for $20/month (about the cost of 2 CD's) I get instant access to tens of thousands of albums and many recorded at higher bit levels than if delivered by shiny disc. We Win. Artist Loses !!
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All I can say - I haven't used Tidal at all since signing up for Qobuz and I can do MQA if necessary (it isn't).

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Tidal 24/192 MQA vs Qobuz 24/192 literally sounds identical on both my systems.
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Tidal 24/192 MQA vs Qobuz 24/192 literally sounds identical on both my systems.
It probably depends on many things including:
- system - chain of gear and transducers (speakers/headphones)
- source material and mastering - presumably not all material needs 24/192 (or beyond CD) playback if not mastered at a high level
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- system - chain of gear and transducers (speakers/headphones)
- source material and mastering - presumably not all material needs 24/192 (or beyond CD) playback if not mastered at a high level
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Sure. I'd call my main system pretty transparent. $4K DAC with full MQA unfold and $10K integrated and the Dynaudio Contours. I am honestly struggling to hear any differences. This is through Roon for both services.
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Sure. I'd call my main system pretty transparent. $4K DAC with full MQA unfold and $10K integrated and the Dynaudio Contours. I am honestly struggling to hear any differences. This is through Roon for both services.
I’ve been using Tidal for a few years now and have been using MQA since it came to Bluesound. This Friday I started my trial with Qobuz. I can’t tell the difference in sound quality between the two. I’ll give a more detailed comparison later once I’ve gotten a little more familiar with Qobuz.

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Anybody else have trouble with Google Casting from the Qobuz app? About once every 10 - 15 minutes the stream pauses itself. If I pull my phone out, go to the Qobuz app, and hit "play" it starts right back up, at the exact moment it left off...

This doesn't happen while casting my other two music apps on my Network (Plex for my FLAC files and Google Play Music for streaming). Only Qobuz.


I'm still procrastinating on a Roon purchase, but the reasons to pull the trigger seem to be growing...
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I'm still procrastinating on a Roon purchase, but the reasons to pull the trigger seem to be growing...
I'm a recent Roon convert and absolutely love it. I already had a ripped music collection (about 1400 albums) and the product I purchased has 2TB storage and ripping capability as well as running Roon core. It seamlessly integrates my library and Tidal (for a few more days) and Qobuz. Roon can up-convert 16/44 to higher resolution, find similar music and make it part of your library, etc. Highly recommended.
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Does Qobuz offer the ability to name your group of artists and then play shuffle among them? My Pandora does that at low quality but my Tidal does not.

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Anybody else have trouble with Google Casting from the Qobuz app? About once every 10 - 15 minutes the stream pauses itself. If I pull my phone out, go to the Qobuz app, and hit "play" it starts right back up, at the exact moment it left off...



This doesn't happen while casting my other two music apps on my Network (Plex for my FLAC files and Google Play Music for streaming). Only Qobuz.





I'm still procrastinating on a Roon purchase, but the reasons to pull the trigger seem to be growing...


I have had trouble with AirPlay and with Google Casting. No other app has given me problems in the past. I’m waiting for an app update. Since these are the only practical ways for me to get Qobuz to my AVR right now, this has been a frustration.
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Some Qobuz questions from a newbie...

I have several questions about Qobuz and I was hoping I could get some answers here. I have truly been enjoying my free trial and plan on subscribing.

1st Question: I was able to get a now-discontinued Chromecast Audio on the cheap and was led to believe that it would allow me to stream hi-res audio (24 bit, 96kHz) from my iOS device (iPhone or iPad) to my Denon AVR. Is this true? If so, does it matter if I use the 3.5 mm plug to split L/R RCA connectors, or would using the digital optical cable be better?

2nd Question: When I listen to a music track on the Qobuz player on my iPad via headphones that indicates it is 24 bit, 96 kHz, is that actually what I am hearing? Is that also true if I listen to the same on my iPhone X using the Lightning-to-3.5 mm adapter?

Thanks so much for any help you can provide.
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I have been testing Qobuz for free for a few weeks.
I like it despite some UI/UX issues including Car Play that isn't as good as Spotify.
Also catalog doesn't seem as deep as Spotify.

I also was used to ordering HiRes downloads from HD Tracks.
I thought I'd see if the $50 premium ($300-250 for Studio) for Sublime+ was worth it.

Vs HD Tracks eg...

HD Tracks - Tedeschi Trucks Band - Signs FLAC 192/24 - $17.98 - 20% off = $14.38
Qobuz - HiRes $14.99 (so nearly same as 20% off HDTracks). $7.49 with Sublime+


I joined Sublime+ today.
Will see how I like it over the next year.

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I have several questions about Qobuz and I was hoping I could get some answers here. I have truly been enjoying my free trial and plan on subscribing.

1st Question: I was able to get a now-discontinued Chromecast Audio on the cheap and was led to believe that it would allow me to stream hi-res audio (24 bit, 96kHz) from my iOS device (iPhone or iPad) to my Denon AVR. Is this true? If so, does it matter if I use the 3.5 mm plug to split L/R RCA connectors, or would using the digital optical cable be better?

2nd Question: When I listen to a music track on the Qobuz player on my iPad via headphones that indicates it is 24 bit, 96 kHz, is that actually what I am hearing? Is that also true if I listen to the same on my iPhone X using the Lightning-to-3.5 mm adapter?

Thanks so much for any help you can provide.
1a) 24/96 playback via Chromecast Audio is supposed to work. It used to work for everyone/me. It still (reportedly) works for for some/many on this site per the Chromecast Audio dedicated thread (though I have no idea how/why). It hopefully will again one day. There's lots of threads on various sites on the internet documenting problems with 24/96 playback via CCA ever since a firmware update that came through last summer. The current "official release" firmware 1.36.141215 does not work for me (unless I downsample to 24/48). The current "beta release" firmware of 1.37.146679 also does not work. Fortunately/unfortunately, two of my CCA's (my 1st and 3rd priority ones) are currently on beta release 1.37.145350, and that version IS working for 24/96 casting/playback without stutter/dropout.
see here for more: https://support.google.com/chromecas...d/356030?hl=en

1b) If you have/own an AVR (or seperates DAC & AMP) that you paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars for, I personally think you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't buy yourself a $20 TOSLINK optical cable and 3.5mm - to - TOSLINK adapter and bypass the $35 Chromecast DAC in favor of your heftier A/V equipment... but the CCA should support 24/96 decoding internally, if you don't have alternative options to decode before amplifying and sending to your speakers.

2) I go USB-out of my Android (Pixel 2) phone and Android (Galaxy TabS) tablet and into my headphone DAC, which bypasses the built-in phone DAC and does the D-to-A downstream. As long as the downstream DAC in question supports 24/96 decoding (most do, I think; mine does) I'm good-to-go. I would expect iOS to work similarly but I haven't had an iPhone or iPad as my primary device for 5 years now.

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1a) 24/96 playback via Chromecast Audio is supposed to work. It used to work for everyone/me. It still (reportedly) works for for some/many on this site per the Chromecast Audio dedicated thread (though I have no idea how/why). It hopefully will again one day. There's lots of threads on various sites on the internet documenting problems with 24/96 playback via CCA ever since a firmware update that came through last summer. The current "official release" firmware 1.36.141215 does not work for me (unless I downsample to 24/48). The current "beta release" firmware of 1.37.146679 also does not work. Fortunately/unfortunately, two of my CCA's (my 1st and 3rd priority ones) are currently on beta release 1.37.145350, and that version IS working for 24/96 casting/playback without stutter/dropout.
see here for more: https://support.google.com/chromecas...d/356030?hl=en

1b) If you have/own an AVR (or seperates DAC & AMP) that you paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars for, I personally think you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't buy yourself a $20 TOSLINK optical cable and 3.5mm - to - TOSLINK adapter and bypass the $35 Chromecast DAC in favor of your heftier A/V equipment... but the CCA should support 24/96 decoding internally, if you don't have alternative options to decode before amplifying and sending to your speakers.

2) I go USB-out of my Android (Pixel 2) phone and Android (Galaxy TabS) tablet and into my headphone DAC, which bypasses the built-in phone DAC and does the D-to-A downstream. As long as the downstream DAC in question supports 24/96 decoding (most do, I think; mine does) I'm good-to-go. I would expect iOS to work similarly but I haven't had an iPhone or iPad as my primary device for 5 years now.
That really was an incredibly helpful reply, psuKinger. Thank you so much for your advice.
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That really was an incredibly helpful reply, psuKinger. Thank you so much for your advice.
You're welcome.

Just to clarify/specify, all other formats cast nicely to all my Chromecast Audios (CD-quality 16/44.1, HiRez 24/44.1, and HiRez 24/48 Qobuz content).

And Qobuz 24/96 content (and local 24/96 flac purchases) is casting properly to my two CCA's that are on firmware 1.37.145350.

And Qobuz 24/96 content is playing properly when streaming via USB out of my phone or tablet and into my headphone DAC.

The only problem I'm having is when trying to cast 24/96 content to either of my CCAs that aren't currently on firmware 1.37.145350. And this is not a problem unique-to-Qobuz. It's a chromecast audio problem; I have the same problem with 24/96 local FLAC file playback (and the problem is only limited to the two CCAs not on firmware 1.37.145350).
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The Qobuz Blue Note Jazz playlist is really good and at 24/192.....

Edit: not all the tracks are 24/192, but still great. SJ

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The Qobuz Blue Note Jazz playlist is really good and at 24/192.....

Edit: not all the tracks are 24/192, but still great. SJ
So how did you locate the Qobuz Blue Note Jazz playlist. (Are you using Roon?)
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So how did you locate the Qobuz Blue Note Jazz playlist. (Are you using Roon?)
I'm using Audirvana+. It was just listed as one of the Qobuz playlists.... SJ
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So how did you locate the Qobuz Blue Note Jazz playlist. (Are you using Roon?)
I Enjoy the High Rez , but navigating Qobuz's catalog is near impossible on my BS Node 2.I hope this gets better,it needs to.

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My 30-day free trial ended this past weekend. I went all-in on a year's subscription to Hi-Rez.

Next weekend may be the weekend I start a Roon trial... I heard (on a podcast) that Roon Cache's Tidal MQA playback, and that improves performance and stability. I'm hoping/wandering if it does the same for Qobuz Hi-Rez? And if so, if that'll improve the Chromecast Audio casting experience (which has not been glitch-free and painless when going straight from the Qobuz app).
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Qobuz (Sublime+) seems to crash more than other audio streaming programs I use - Spotify, Roon.
Anyone else have this experience?

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Next weekend may be the weekend I start a Roon trial... I heard (on a podcast) that Roon Cache's Tidal MQA playback, and that improves performance and stability. I'm hoping/wandering if it does the same for Qobuz Hi-Rez? And if so, if that'll improve the Chromecast Audio casting experience (which has not been glitch-free and painless when going straight from the Qobuz app).
Expect a few teething problems with Roon's Qobuz support, given that it's a very recent addition - unlike its TIDAL support which has been going for years. So probably not the best time to trial Roon specifically for its Qobuz access.
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Expect a few teething problems with Roon's Qobuz support, given that it's a very recent addition - unlike its TIDAL support which has been going for years. So probably not the best time to trial Roon specifically for its Qobuz access.
I'm using Roon + Qobuz and other than not having the same library size (hopefully, only at the moment) of Tidal (which I cancelled), I have had no stability issues.

The two best parts of Qobuz. (1) I no longer have JayZ and friends music pushed in my face; (2) it has REAL high rez vs MQA so no unnecessary hardware.
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