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Analog audio can still be of some use, running the Shield as a streaming music box right into a pre-amp is great but yes, I agree don't build it in. Any analog output on a cheap streaming device is going to be pretty basic, I'd much rather not have the space and cost overhead of an analog stage I wouldn't use and just plug a USB or Optical DAC in. That way if I want something cheap for basic output then I can plug in a $20 DAC and be done, if I want something higher-end I can choose that too. There really isn't any reason to prefer integrated analog out over an outboard DAC with this.
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I just installed Hotfix #3 , 32.7.301.52.

Happy to report that on my Sony x930e, all colorspace switching is working correctly.

Main screen at startup shows 422 BT709 12b 593Mhz
Playing an HDR10 file (via Plex) Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b HDR 297Mhz
Playing a Dolby Vision video Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b DV 593Mhz
Exit back to Main (Home) screen, back to BT709 12b 593Mhz

Rinse and repeat...
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I just installed Hotfix #3 , 32.7.301.52.

Happy to report that on my Sony x930e, all colorspace switching is working correctly.

Main screen at startup shows 422 BT709 12b 593Mhz
Playing an HDR10 file (via Plex) Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b HDR 297Mhz
Playing a Dolby Vision video Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b DV 593Mhz
Exit back to Main (Home) screen, back to BT709 12b 593Mhz

Rinse and repeat...
Awesome thanks for the update, hopefully they roll out an official update soon.
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This is a weird question, so long shot probably.

My old original Shield will do this 4k30, but playback is generally not 100% smooth. Not too surprising. Anyway, does anyone use 4k30 on the Shield? I'm curious if the new model handles 30hz better?

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whats the difference in the posted shield....

and this one ?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0MKYO8...ustomerReviews



i just bought a new i7 ssd laptop to basically stream my wav and flac files from j river etc.
would i be better off going this route instead ?
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I just installed Hotfix #3 , 32.7.301.52.

Happy to report that on my Sony x930e, all colorspace switching is working correctly.

Main screen at startup shows 422 BT709 12b 593Mhz
Playing an HDR10 file (via Plex) Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b HDR 297Mhz
Playing a Dolby Vision video Shield correctly switches to
422 BT2020 12b DV 593Mhz
Exit back to Main (Home) screen, back to BT709 12b 593Mhz

Rinse and repeat...
My hotfix #3 is 32.7.301.43
Just received it last night. Not sure the difference in yours. I have a 900f Sony.
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It’s extremely fast and rock solid but if it had the Apple TV app (aka iTunes) that might do it for me. I have several hundred movies half of which are 4K on that app and hundreds of TV shows that don’t port to Vudu or Movies Anywhere so that’s important. Maybe they’ll make a version for Android TV since they now have one for Android Fire TV.
Another benefit of Apple is all my devices sync to each other. Same apps, same home screen, etc. That’s a nice feature.


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Don’t forget how good everything looks with the appletv4k. The interface/artwork/apps. All are super high resolution and sharp and bright. The interface on the shield is pretty bad. It’s fuzzy in comparison. Apps don’t feel polished they seem half assed android apps that don’t get the detail Apple puts into things that go a long way for user experience. The flyover screens don’t hurt either. Apple Music is beautiful. There is no music apps on the shield that blow me away in terms of how they look and operate. Just generic apps doing their jobs basically. No attention to detail.
I also just use the appletv4k mostly. I use kodi and the plex server on the shield. That’s about it. I much prefer the infuse player on the appletv even if I lose atmos support for my own files. Everything looks better with the same content from appletv4k to shield. I need both though as I have some uses for the shield.
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I have both the ATV4K and the new 2019 Shield.

I compare image quality Kodi vs infuse and for both my blu ray rip and my 4k rip, all 1:1 rip, I prefer the Kodi image. I think the new AI processing on the Shield really is a game changer. The older Shield was a great product but now with AI the new 2019 eat at the same table as other high quality image media player.

Before the Shield, I use ATV4K, a Zappiti player and a FireStick. I also have own a Zidoo, a Dune and many other players. After my test, I sold all my other players and just keep the new Shield.

This new 2019 little box can do all my streaming with top quality Dolby Vision / Atmos and can play my 1:1 rip with great image quality. It’s about time a all-in-one « no compromise » solution exist.

The new Shield still need a firmware or two, but I think it will soon be THE box to have in our ring. And for my part, the price they ask for all that is ridiculously cheap compare to what I pay in all other media box I own.
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My hotfix #3 is 32.7.301.43
Just received it last night. Not sure the difference in yours. I have a 900f Sony.
It sound like you just have Hotfix #2 . I apologize, I probably should not have called this a “Hotfix”. It was labeled Engineering Test Build. When I go to Device Preferences->About->SHIELD Android TV SW Version it reports: 8.1.1(32.7.301.52).

BTW, a 900f user in the NVidia forum reports it does fix the color space issue.
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I think the new AI processing on the Shield really is a game changer.

Agreed. I watch my projector from a fairly long distance and using the Shield19's AI on the Medium setting makes 1080p content looks the best I've ever seen it - almost indistinguishable from 4K.



However, I found the highest setting introduced far too much edge enhancement on detailed scenes.
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I have both the ATV4K and the new 2019 Shield.

I compare image quality Kodi vs infuse and for both my blu ray rip and my 4k rip, all 1:1 rip, I prefer the Kodi image. I think the new AI processing on the Shield really is a game changer. The older Shield was a great product but now with AI the new 2019 eat at the same table as other high quality image media player.

Before the Shield, I use ATV4K, a Zappiti player and a FireStick. I also have own a Zidoo, a Dune and many other players. After my test, I sold all my other players and just keep the new Shield.

This new 2019 little box can do all my streaming with top quality Dolby Vision / Atmos and can play my 1:1 rip with great image quality. It’s about time a all-in-one « no compromise » solution exist.

The new Shield still need a firmware or two, but I think it will soon be THE box to have in our ring. And for my part, the price they ask for all that is ridiculously cheap compare to what I pay in all other media box I own.
What display settings do you have set in the shield? I’m getting opposite results. Especially playback of my own hdr content. You have hdr10 files you tested? Ai enhanced doesn’t work with 4k content just 1080p upscale to 4k. Are you leaving your kodi set to 4k then and not having your tv do the upscaling? Setting the kodi settings to 1080p and checking all the options in the white list would have the tv do the upscaling.
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After a couple of weeks of usage, I gota say, the 19 pro shield is pretty awesome, when it works right. But with my equipment, whenever it switches the refresh rate, it throws a HDCP error complaining about the cables being used. Cables would seem to be fine since once I get past the stupid error message a couple of times everything works as it should. I used the Refresh Rate app to identify when the error was occurring. The app would show the initial refresh rate and again when it was changed followed immediately by the HDCP error. TV and shield are set to the defaulted 4k 59.940 hz. The Marantz does upscale everything to 4k but lacks the details of what the color space/refresh rates are. While refresh rate matching maybe important to flawless playback, on my system, changing the rate causes its own set of issues. Obviously, not every one that owns the new shield is having this issue but for my Shield ==> Marantz ==> Sony chain something is failing when the refresh is changed. Not sure where the issue is or even if the issue is inherent to HDCP itself. Also not sure what can be done about it....

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Analog audio can still be of some use, running the Shield as a streaming music box right into a pre-amp is great but yes, I agree don't build it in. Any analog output on a cheap streaming device is going to be pretty basic, I'd much rather not have the space and cost overhead of an analog stage I wouldn't use and just plug a USB or Optical DAC in. That way if I want something cheap for basic output then I can plug in a $20 DAC and be done, if I want something higher-end I can choose that too. There really isn't any reason to prefer integrated analog out over an outboard DAC with this.

Add analog jacks, then expect people screaming for an ESS Sabre DAC, and then you'll have a 300 to 400 Dollar Nvidia Shield.
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I have a 2019 Shield Pro, an LG C8, and an AVR4300X. When I switch to the Shield it offers to enable Dolby Vision HDR. Upon doing so the screen goes blank and does not return after several minutes. When I first saw this behavior I unplugged the Shield power supply and eventually the unit returned to the home screen. Everything works normally until I enable DV. Am I doing something wrong or do I have a bad unit?

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I just learned that the big unwieldy Shield gaming remote comes with an analog 3.5mm audio jack. Another workaround. I don't play games, so I never paid it much attention before.

I don't play games on the Shield either, and I have 2 of those controllers. I got one with the Shield tablet, and one with the Shield 2017.
At least the Shield has 2 USB 3.0 ports, unlike a lot of other boxes.
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I have a 2019 Shield Pro, an LG C8, and an AVR4300X. When I switch to the Shield it offers to enable Dolby Vision HDR. Upon doing so the screen goes blank and does not return after several minutes. When I first saw this behavior I unplugged the Shield power supply and eventually the unit returned to the home screen. Everything works normally until I enable DV. Am I doing something wrong or do I have a bad unit?
I believe the Shield is trying to send [email protected] Can your tv or AVR handle [email protected]? If it can, do you have a premium certified HDMI cable? If not, it may be because your cable cant handle the bandwidth needed for [email protected]
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I have a 2019 Shield Pro, an LG C8, and an AVR4300X. When I switch to the Shield it offers to enable Dolby Vision HDR. Upon doing so the screen goes blank and does not return after several minutes. When I first saw this behavior I unplugged the Shield power supply and eventually the unit returned to the home screen. Everything works normally until I enable DV. Am I doing something wrong or do I have a bad unit?
I had this problem with my setup as well, and my equipment does handle DV @60Hz.

This is how I fixed it:

Enable DV, and when the screen goes black, wait 20 seconds, then press the Enter button on the remote (center button). If the screen still stays black after that, pull the HDMI cable from the Shield, wait about 10 seconds, then plug it back in. The screen should come back saying DV isn't supported.

The Shield told me DV wasn't supported, but it was still enabled. I even rebooted the Shield, and DV was still enabled in the settings. And DV worked in Netflix, Disney+, etc. Haven't had any issues since that.

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I have a 2019 Shield Pro, an LG C8, and an AVR4300X. When I switch to the Shield it offers to enable Dolby Vision HDR. Upon doing so the screen goes blank and does not return after several minutes. When I first saw this behavior I unplugged the Shield power supply and eventually the unit returned to the home screen. Everything works normally until I enable DV. Am I doing something wrong or do I have a bad unit?
I have essentially the same gear as you. It should work fine. Try a different HDMI cable.
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I had this problem with my setup as well, and my equipment does handle DV @60Hz.

This is how I fixed it:

Enable DV, and when the screen goes black, wait 20 seconds, then press the Enter button on the remote (center button). If the screen still stays black after that, pull the HDMI cable from the Shield, wait about 10 seconds, then plug it back in. The screen should come back saying DV isn't supported.

The Shield told me DV wasn't supported, but it was still enabled. I even rebooted the Shield, and DV was still enabled in the settings. And DV worked in Netflix, Disney+, etc. Haven't had any issues since that.
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I have essentially the same gear as you. It should work fine. Try a different HDMI cable.
Thanks for all the replies! I wasn't paying attention that DV requires a much greater transmission bandwidth than HDR10. I have multiple short HDMI cable runs in the chain including one within the wall and one that is thin and flexible behind the TV. I'll have to further investigate which cable is likely causing the issue. I should add that when I first tried to enable DV I saw snow like you would get with an old analog set tuned to the wrong channel. Gives more weight to this being a cable issue.

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Thanks for all the replies! I wasn't paying attention that DV requires a much greater transmission bandwidth than HDR10. I have multiple short HDMI cable runs in the chain including one within the wall and one that is thin and flexible behind the TV. I'll have to further investigate which cable is likely causing the issue. I should add that when I first tried to enable DV I saw snow like you would get with an old analog set tuned to the wrong channel. Gives more weight to this being a cable issue.
Dolby vision doesnt require more. If actually needs less. Assuming you have normal DV and not the borked DV that Sony uses. DV was designed to work with HDMI 1.4. But because of copy protection stuff, of course you actually need HDMi 2.0 or later.

Normal DV uses RGB at 8 bit, and the extra bits are sent along with it. Thereby only needing lower bandwidth. But Sonys cheap implementation sends a 12 bit signal, requiring much more bandwidth.

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I have both the ATV4K and the new 2019 Shield.

I compare image quality Kodi vs infuse and for both my blu ray rip and my 4k rip, all 1:1 rip, I prefer the Kodi image. I think the new AI processing on the Shield really is a game changer. The older Shield was a great product but now with AI the new 2019 eat at the same table as other high quality image media player.

Before the Shield, I use ATV4K, a Zappiti player and a FireStick. I also have own a Zidoo, a Dune and many other players. After my test, I sold all my other players and just keep the new Shield.

This new 2019 little box can do all my streaming with top quality Dolby Vision / Atmos and can play my 1:1 rip with great image quality. It’s about time a all-in-one « no compromise » solution exist.

The new Shield still need a firmware or two, but I think it will soon be THE box to have in our ring. And for my part, the price they ask for all that is ridiculously cheap compare to what I pay in all other media box I own.

I fully agree, I was using my ATV4K for anything where PQ was more important than audio, and Shield where lossless was more important, now my ATV4K only gets used for iTunes library content.

I do seem to have a bug with Kodi on both my 19 Pro and 17 Shield where certain media files from my NAS die a few seconds in, yet Infuse has no issues nor my PC. I even re-ripped 1 disc to test and Kodi failed in exact same spot. If only Infuse would port to Android TV.
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After a couple of weeks of usage, I gota say, the 19 pro shield is pretty awesome, when it works right. But with my equipment, whenever it switches the refresh rate, it throws a HDCP error complaining about the cables being used. Cables would seem to be fine since once I get past the stupid error message a couple of times everything works as it should. I used the Refresh Rate app to identify when the error was occurring. The app would show the initial refresh rate and again when it was changed followed immediately by the HDCP error. TV and shield are set to the defaulted 4k 59.940 hz. The Marantz does upscale everything to 4k but lacks the details of what the color space/refresh rates are. While refresh rate matching maybe important to flawless playback, on my system, changing the rate causes its own set of issues. Obviously, not every one that owns the new shield is having this issue but for my Shield ==> Marantz ==> Sony chain something is failing when the refresh is changed. Not sure where the issue is or even if the issue is inherent to HDCP itself. Also not sure what can be done about it....
Refresh Rate app was doing same thing for me. Amazon Prime video would show oddly 23.00 initially then when it would switch to 23.97 it would throw a copyright HDCP error. I need to try my 17 Shield to see if this is unique to the 19 Pro.

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I just installed Hotfix #3 , 32.7.301.52.



Happy to report that on my Sony x930e, all colorspace switching is working correctly.



Main screen at startup shows 422 BT709 12b 593Mhz

Playing an HDR10 file (via Plex) Shield correctly switches to

422 BT2020 12b HDR 297Mhz

Playing a Dolby Vision video Shield correctly switches to

422 BT2020 12b DV 593Mhz

Exit back to Main (Home) screen, back to BT709 12b 593Mhz



Rinse and repeat...


Just to clarify...this is not a hotfix, or more specifically, this is not hotfix #3 . It is a test image pushed to Shield owners who are known to have a Sony display impacted by this issue. If it resolves the issue (which it appears to do) it will be rolled into the next release.
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Refresh Rate app was doing same thing for me. Amazon Prime video would show oddly 23.00 initially then when it would switch to 23.97 it would throw a copyright HDCP error. I need to try my 17 Shield to see if this is unique to the 19 Pro.
I have a 17 Shield too. I was able use Refresh Rate app to create the issue using the match the film's refresh rate option on the 17, but without Refresh Rate enabled, the issue does not occur for me. Prime is where I see this the most with same 23.00 getting switched to 23.97. Seems like I have seen it occur with other rates as well but have not documented them. Prime is not the only one with the issue, I have also seen it on Disney+.

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Doesn't the 19 Shield Pro now have it's own refresh rate feature built-in from a hotfix or something? If so, is the 3rd party refresh rate app still work better? Thanks.

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Doesn't the 19 Shield Pro now have it's own refresh rate feature built-in from a hotfix or something? If so, is the 3rd party refresh rate app still work better? Thanks.
The internal version is done manually by the user each time when a video starts with the remote. The 3rd party version is automatic, they both seem to have issues with certain apps.

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The internal version is done manually by the user each time when a video starts with the remote. The 3rd party version is automatic, they both seem to have issues with certain apps.
Great to know. Thank you so much.

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Did anybody notice That the ai-upscaling stopped working with Kodi and the latest hotfix?

It was workin for sure with kodi. Only Change is latest hotfix. Now ist only tells me unsupported fuction in kodi.


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Can not get AI-scaling to work with any app. Maybe it is just a general problem with the hot fix?

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