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The FLIRC is a receiver device that plugs into the Shield USB port and converts IR to BT.
BT is just a wireless protocol. Do not have FLIRC but have read how it works. It is pre-programed for several devices, select the device you intend to use it with then use what ever remote you like to teach the FLIRC that remote. For example, you could use a old VCR remote to teach the FLIRC to send 0x8073 0x11 (hex for Play) when the Play button is pressed on the VCR remote.

I have a Inteset IReTV USB IR Receiver ordered that I intend to use with my Shield. Already have the URC MX-980 programed as well.

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BT is just a wireless protocol. Do not have

FLIRC but have read how it works. It is pre-programed for several devices, select the device you intend to use it with then use what ever remote you like to teach the FLIRC that remote. For example, you could use a old VCR remote to teach the FLIRC to send 0x8073 0x11 (hex for Play) when the Play button is pressed on the VCR remote.



I have a Inteset IReTV USB IR Receiver ordered that I intend to use with my Shield. Already have the URC MX-980 programed as well.


I think this must be intended for someone else. Obviously I know what a FLIRC is.


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I'm not sure what your question or complaint is then.
No question nor complaint, just a observation and comment.
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I think this must be intended for someone else. Obviously I know what a FLIRC is.
Sorry, I thought you used BT for BlueTooth. So what did you mean by BT?
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I thought the guy in the FLIRC board knows how to reverse engineer those codes, no?

FLIRC + Harmony works fine, but it just maps everything to the keyboard equivalent, AFAICT. The Kodi mapping works just as well as the NVidia specific one. What I'd really like is the ability to map specific Shield functions to specific keyboard keys. IE: Auto-sync, AI, etc. Anyone know how to do that?

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Sorry, I thought you used BT for BlueTooth. So what did you mean by BT?


Yes, sorry if I wasn’t clear. The 2019 Shield uses Bluetooth (BT) and the FLIRC can convert IR to BT.


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FLIRC + Harmony works fine, but it just maps everything to the keyboard equivalent, AFAICT. The Kodi mapping works just as well as the NVidia specific one. What I'd really like is the ability to map specific Shield functions to specific keyboard keys. IE: Auto-sync, AI, etc. Anyone know how to do that?


Right now you can only pick one of those and assign it to the Menu key.


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Question about Shield TV Pro:

I intend to get the new Shield Pro after the holidays -- let the credit card clear. I use a Harmony IR based remote so I'll be adding a UBS IR receiver to the Shield. So my concern is the following: the USB ports are on the back of the Shield Pro along with the rest of the ports. I intend to position the unit flat so the ports will be facing the back. If I add a Flirc, will I have to also use an extender cable to bring the Flirc out to the front of the unit, or will it be able to pick up the bounced IR signal.

If I need a cable, is there another IR receiver unit that is already on a cable extender?

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Yes, sorry if I wasn’t clear. The 2019 Shield uses Bluetooth (BT) and the FLIRC can convert IR to BT.
As stated before, Bluetooth is just a wireless (RF) protocol, here. The Shield remote is a wireless device and uses Bluetooth protocol, they could have used other protocols. The FLIRC is not converting anything to RF (Bluetooth), it is simply placing specific data on the USB data bus, the same as a mouse, keyboard, IR receiver, etc.
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If I need a cable, is there another IR receiver unit that is already on a cable extender?
You could use the USB IR receiver I mentioned a few post back (here). See the insets for different remotes and commands.
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As stated before, Bluetooth is just a wireless (RF) protocol, here. The Shield remote is a wireless device and uses Bluetooth protocol, they could have used other protocols. The FLIRC is not converting anything to RF (Bluetooth), it is simply placing specific data on the USB data bus, the same as a mouse, keyboard, IR receiver, etc.


Incorrect. Both protocols are sending wireless signals and RF is not “(Bluetooth)”.


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Question about Shield TV Pro:



I intend to get the new Shield Pro after the holidays -- let the credit card clear. I use a Harmony IR based remote so I'll be adding a UBS IR receiver to the Shield. So my concern is the following: the USB ports are on the back of the Shield Pro along with the rest of the ports. I intend to position the unit flat so the ports will be facing the back. If I add a Flirc, will I have to also use an extender cable to bring the Flirc out to the front of the unit, or will it be able to pick up the bounced IR signal.



If I need a cable, is there another IR receiver unit that is already on a cable extender?


I don’t think so. Mine just picks it up even though it faces to the back. If you do run into a reception problem you can just use a short cheap USB extension cable.


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Incorrect. Both protocols are sending wireless signals and RF is not “(Bluetooth)”.
The FLIRC is not converting IR to Bluetooth. PERIOD. There is no mention of Bluetooth on the FLIRC site that I can find. The picture shows a processor, IR receiver (incorrectly labeled IR Transmitter) and USB connection. There is no BT radio mentioned.

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Whether a product streams high-quality audio between a smartphone and speaker, transfers data between a tablet and medical device, or sends messages between thousands of nodes in a building automation solution, the Bluetooth Low Energy (LE) and Basic Rate/Enhanced Data Rate (BR/EDR) radios are designed to meet the unique needs of developers worldwide.
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Incorrect. Both protocols are sending wireless signals and RF is not “(Bluetooth)”.


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RF is an acronym for Radio Frequency, and refers to anything that is broadcast via radio waves. WiFi is RF, as is Bluetooth. They are just both protocols transmitted via RF. Technically even IR is RF, as light waves are simply an RF frequency, which happens to be visible.

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Incorrect. Both protocols are sending wireless signals and RF is not “(Bluetooth)”.

RF in this context is Radio Frequency. It is a generalized term that includes a huge swath of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum. Bluetooth uses the 2.4 gigahertz band which IS a Radio Frequency.
RF includes all things radio. WiFi, Cellular, AM, FM (broadcast bands), TV, Radar, GPS, garage door openers, police radar, etc, etc.

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" Radio frequency (RF) is a measurement representing the oscillation rate of electromagnetic radiation spectrum, or electromagnetic radio waves, from frequencies ranging from 300 GHz to as low as 9 kHz."
So, RF is not (only) Bluetooth, but Bluetooth IS a protocol that totally depends on RF.

Just curious, if you believe that Bluetooth does not use RF and cannot be labeled as using RF, what is your definition of RF?
How do you think Bluetooth transmits and receives data?

The reason I commented at all is that I was helping a friend configure a new printer. The manual actually had instructions for Bluetooth and RF setup. The poor guy was real confused until I explained that RF meant WiFi in this stupidly written chinglish manual. No need to confuse others when we can avoid it.

I am following this thread as I am close to buying a new Shield. I probably will once they iron out some of the bugs being discussed here.
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RF in this context is Radio Frequency. It is a generalized term that includes a huge swath of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum. Bluetooth uses the 2.4 gigahertz band which IS a Radio Frequency.
RF includes all things radio. WiFi, Cellular, AM, FM (broadcast bands), TV, Radar, GPS, garage door openers, police radar, etc, etc.

A definition
" Radio frequency (RF) is a measurement representing the oscillation rate of electromagnetic radiation spectrum, or electromagnetic radio waves, from frequencies ranging from 300 GHz to as low as 9 kHz."
So, RF is not (only) Bluetooth, but Bluetooth IS a protocol that totally depends on RF.

Just curious, if you believe that Bluetooth does not use RF and cannot be labeled as using RF, what is your definition of RF?
How do you think Bluetooth transmits and receives data?

The reason I commented at all is that I was helping a friend configure a new printer. The manual actually had instructions for Bluetooth and RF setup. The poor guy was real confused until I explained that RF meant WiFi in this stupidly written chinglish manual. No need to confuse others when we can avoid it.

I am following this thread as I am close to buying a new Shield. I probably will once they iron out some of the bugs being discussed here.
Yes it is but a FLIRC is programmed by the user to receive IR commands and convert them to a format that the Shield and other like devices can understand to execute Tod command. So just because commands (IR, IP, BT) are within the same broad wireless spectrum does not mean they are the same. They are unique.

Regarding the Shield bugs most, except the manual process for frame rate switching, have been ironed out in non public hotfixes.

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Here is hoping Nvidia will add additional discrete commands (hex codes) to their database for the Shield. Below is a graphic of my first screen for a Sony UHD BD player and the Shield.

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Yes it is but a FLIRC is programmed by the user to receive IR commands and convert them to a format that the Shield and other like devices can understand to execute Tod command. So just because commands (IR, IP, BT) are within the same broad wireless spectrum does not mean they are the same. They are unique.

Regarding the Shield bugs most, except the manual process for frame rate switching, have been ironed out in non public hotfixes.
FLIRC was the topic of discussion and someone mentioned it was or did Bluetooth. It seems that it does not. It is an IR receiver. It translates IR digital to something the USB bus / OS understands.
Different protocols use different frequencies for communication with devices. With the exception of IR (in the band defined as below the visible band, below red in frequency, and not considered RF,) at this point in time, they all are RF. So though RF is not Bluetooth, as it includes so much more, Bluetooth is a protocol which depends on RF to work . It is all semantics.

In any case your comment about the BUGS mostly being ironed out, other than framerate (and I guess colorspace in many cases) motivated me to place an order for the 2019 PRO.

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I noticed drop frames every 5-10min or so when watching Netflix it was dolby vision content (the witcher) and have not tried or yet on standard hdr.

The shield is set to 59.?? Hz and 4k dolby vision setting.

Has anyone else noticed this? I am on the standard firmware on the shield.

Have rebooted the shield but still the same.

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I haven't watched the Witcher but I watched 6 Underground from my SHield Pro. But I had the Shield outputting at 24hz using the auto refresh rate app. I didn't notice any issues with that Netflix Movie.

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I noticed drop frames every 5-10min or so when watching Netflix it was dolby vision content (the witcher) and have not tried or yet on standard hdr.

The shield is set to 59.?? Hz and 4k dolby vision setting.

Has anyone else noticed this? I am on the standard firmware on the shield.

Have rebooted the shield but still the same.

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I've noticed this before.

You have to manually change the shield to 24hz before starting Netflix DV shows because frame rate switching doesn't always work with Dolby Vision.

Once you do this the playback will be smooth.
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Question about Shield TV Pro:

If I need a cable, is there another IR receiver unit that is already on a cable extender?
FWIW I tried both the intelsat and flirc receivers. I found that because the flirc was programmable, there were more commands available using the flirc. I used a short USB extender (Male-female) I had on hand to better position the flirc.
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I found that because the flirc was programmable, there were more commands available using the flirc.
Such as?
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Such as?
Wendell, Flirc has a full keyboard set of programmable keys, various Kodi media keys, in addition to the small set of shield keys. My personal favorites are chapter forward, chapter back, and the stop key -none of which were possible on the supplied shield remote.
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I've noticed this before.

You have to manually change the shield to 24hz before starting Netflix DV shows because frame rate switching doesn't always work with Dolby Vision.

Once you do this the playback will be smooth.


Should this be done while the program preview is playing in the background?
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I've noticed this before.

You have to manually change the shield to 24hz before starting Netflix DV shows because frame rate switching doesn't always work with Dolby Vision.

Once you do this the playback will be smooth.
I haven't run into any issues with Netflix like this. But I did with Amazon. And ended up not using the refresh rate with the Amazon app because of it.

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Anyone aware of any updates when Atmos support is going to be available for the Shield's Disney+ app?
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Curious if the Prime app, have Dolby Vision, for their limited titles?

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I know Jack Ryan has Dolby Vision on the Shield.
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