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post #31 of 125 Old 05-19-2020, 01:39 PM
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Well I received today as well and have HDR set to auto. Lucy played in HDR and SDR are playing in SDR too.

Must admit I hated the Dune Pro 4K from day one and it was gone in a week. This one I’m liking so far, bar it can’t find a few of my films. Recognises then as files in the collection but not movies in the collection. A few generic posters in the wall as well but mainly on old movies. Less than 0.3% of posters affected so not a big issue.
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MaxCLL, MaxFALL and mastering monitor info still remain completely mad!!

Could it be when the values are left default that these are not passed?
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MaxCLL, MaxFALL and mastering monitor info still remain completely mad!!

Could it be when the values are left default that these are not passed?
For whatever reason some movies lack either MDL & MaxFALL/CLL, or both.

In those cases, the box either passes zero values or occasionally the values from the previous movie and in some cases that occurs when the previous movie values weren't passed! - The Movie "A", Movie "B" thing I mentioned earlier.

I've tried a load of movies now with valid HDR metadata and it has to be said that in the majority of case, the values are passed correctly which is a huge improvement over the Pro - it's just those odd cases where valid data is there but it doesn't pass that is puzzling.

In all honesty, unless you're looking at this with an HDFury device, I think in the majority of cases, people will just not notice this - some displays don't use this data and certainly in projection, depending on how you implement HDR, it can be irrelevant too.
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So...
  • Frame rate is fine
  • HDR is (mostly) fine
  • Dolby audio dropouts when in 10bit color

Correct?

I am still puzzled about what you wrote for the 4K, 10bit, 4/2/2-0 inability. It is actually industry's specs for most (if not all) UHD discs.
It should work.

Color banding is non-existing in all color modes when in 4K playback?
Do you get audio dropouts during 1080p Blu Ray playback when set to auto?

Perhaps you can reach to a safer conclusion if you only test with disc rips or .ISOs. This way you avoid any remuxing mishandlings and errors.

It would also be great if you could test several DV and HDR10+ files, like the ones posted earlier.

Thanks again for all your tests and effort.

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So...
  • Frame rate is fine
  • HDR is (mostly) fine
  • Dolby audio dropouts when in 10bit color

Correct?

(This is for 4K only - I haven't looked at 2K very much)


Frame rate is 23.973fps (which is perfect) at 4K23 10-bit 4:4:4 and 4K23 12-bit 4:4:4 only

(Frame rate for HFR 59.94Hz movies is 59.932fps, which is perfect, but auto frame rate does not work so you need to set the GUI to 59.940Hz which for me at least, is undesirable.)


HDR - mostly fine is probably a good description at the moment, but I'm going to test more today to try nail down the circumstances where it isn't.


I get TrueHD (and Atmos) dropouts at 4K23 10-bit 4:4:4 on both a Denon 7200 and Denon 8500 with Premium certfied cables, so this mode is unusable for me - YMMV

There is also something odd about 4K23 10-bit 4:4:4 whereby an HDFury Vertex 1 will not recognise the mode but Vertex 2 will. No idea why that would be.

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I am still puzzled about what you wrote for the 4K, 10bit, 4/2/2-0 inability. It is actually industry's specs for most (if not all) UHD discs.
It should work.
UHD BD discs are encoded in 10-bit 4:2:0 but the HDMI 2 spec only allows for 4:2:0 transmission at 50/60Hz.

So for 4K23, you can only use 12-bit 4:2:2 or 8/10/12-bit 4:4:4 (or of course RGB)

The most desirable of these modes is 10-bit 4:4:4 since the bit depth is the same as the encoded disc and there is no colour encoding conversion (4:2:0 > 4:4:4 without need for colour encoding)

12-bit 4:4:4 is the same (as long as the bit depth is padded rather than interpolated) but increases the required bandwidth from 11.1Gbps to 13.4Gbps


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Color banding is non-existing in all color modes when in 4K playback?
It's marginal in 4K23 12-bit 4:2:2, but since that is presented at 24.000fps, that mode is unusable anyway

At 4K23 10 & 12-bit 4:4:4 there is no banding as far as I can see (only done qualitative tests)


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Do you get audio dropouts during 1080p Blu Ray playback when set to auto?
Not tried.


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Perhaps you can reach to a safer conclusion if you only test with disc rips or .ISOs. This way you avoid any remuxing mishandlings and errors.
For the most part these are remuxes I've done myself which as you know is essentially copying the transport stream and containerising it, so I don't think there are errors or mishandlings.

I also have encodes, which again I've done myself using a dedicated encoding machine, encoding in hardware using Nvidia graphics and StaxRip.

Neither of these present any issues with my Z9S which has performed flawlessly since 2018.


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It would also be great if you could test several DV and HDR10+ files, like the ones posted earlier.

Thanks again for all your tests and effort.


I've downloaded those demos kindly provided by @djnice77 this morning and will test later today...

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DV & HDR10+ tests

Ok - so tried all the files provided by @djnice77 and results are as follows:

Unlike demos provided by Dolby, all these files have an HDR10 compatible base layer.

Two of the files have an HDR10+ base layer (which obviously implies HDR10 compatibility also)

So results differ depending on EDID as follows...

HDR10 EDID (no DV, no HDR10+)

All files produce an HDR10 output as you'd expect


HDR10+ EDID (no DV)

The two HDR10+ files produce an HDR10+ output, again, as expected.

The HDR10 files produce HDR10


DV EDID (No HDR10+)


With either a Profile 7 or Profile 5 EDID, all files produce HDR10, again as expected.


If you try to play a file with Profile 5 base layer but no HDR10 compatibility (dvhe.05.05, BL+RPU) then the file simply refuses to play.


All of this is a long way of saying that the box plays HDR10+ but not DV, as advertised.

Worth mentioning that in all these tests, metadata was decoded correctly but there were the odd glitches where HDR persisted into the GUI.

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Can it do 4K 24.000 @ 10bit 4:4:4?
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Ok - so tried all the files provided by @djnice77 and results are as follows:

Unlike demos provided by Dolby, all these files have an HDR10 compatible base layer.

Two of the files have an HDR10+ base layer (which obviously implies HDR10 compatibility also)

So results differ depending on EDID as follows...

HDR10 EDID (no DV, no HDR10+)

All files produce an HDR10 output as you'd expect


HDR10+ EDID (no DV)

The two HDR10+ files produce an HDR10+ output, again, as expected.

The HDR10 files produce HDR10


DV EDID (No HDR10+)


With either a Profile 7 or Profile 5 EDID, all files produce HDR10, again as expected.


If you try to play a file with Profile 5 base layer but no HDR10 compatibility (dvhe.05.05, BL+RPU) then the file simply refuses to play.


All of this is a long way of saying that the box plays HDR10+ but not DV, as advertised.

Worth mentioning that in all these tests, metadata was decoded correctly but there were the odd glitches where HDR persisted into the GUI.
Finally, is safe to say that its a 'good box' with a liitle issues to be solved in a urcoming fw?

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So it seems...

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So same performance as a $40 S905X3 box with CoreELEC
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So same performance as a $40 S905X3 box with CoreELEC
Do these boxes support ATMOS and hdr10+ ?
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Finally, is safe to say that its a 'good box' with a liitle issues to be solved in a urcoming fw?
I'm getting quite fond of this little box now - yes it has issues, but as long as you know what they are and how to set it up, it's a zippy little thing.

Definitely a lot faster than the older Sigma boxes and certainly on a par with the Pro 4K if not a little quicker.

Still not figured out why some metadata passes and some doesn't, but that's not important to me.

I was initially extremely disappointed in 4K23 passing as 4K24, but since this is only in 422 12-bit, again not an issue once you figure that out.

The problems with 10-bit 444 are slightly worrying (Vertex not seeing the signal and TrueHD audio dropouts) , but I have a feeling that they won't affect a lot of people and of course can be mitigated by switching to 12-bit if they do.

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Another thing very important to me is IP control, and this one follows and works perfectly with the same IP protocol as previous models.

You just have to remember to make sure <power> is set to software standby otherwise the network card gets switched off!!
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Do these boxes support ATMOS and hdr10+ ?
Yes, both. X96 Max+ 4/32 is a good choice for CE.
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@markswift2003 ! Based on your feedback i need to order one!

I was wondering if you could test a few more things...

Do the FF and REW work ok on 4k ISO / Full Menu playback?

Do the subtitles off remain off when you start a movie? The 4k pro is hit and miss, usually enables it and you have to toggle through all subs or open the popup to turn off.

FF and REW also re-enables the first subtitle track.

Also if forced subs are still working ok

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I'm getting quite fond of this little box now - yes it has issues, but as long as you know what they are and how to set it up, it's a zippy little thing.

Definitely a lot faster than the older Sigma boxes and certainly on a par with the Pro 4K if not a little quicker.

Still not figured out why some metadata passes and some doesn't, but that's not important to me.

I was initially extremely disappointed in 4K23 passing as 4K24, but since this is only in 422 12-bit, again not an issue once you figure that out.

The problems with 10-bit 444 are slightly worrying (Vertex not seeing the signal and TrueHD audio dropouts), but I have a feeling that they won't affect a lot of people and of course can be mitigated by switching to 12-bit if they do.
If you don't mind getting back to the 4/2/0, 10-bit "thing"

I was almost certain that with any HDMI version, there were no restrictions when moving down the ladder.
I found the chart below (you can find the same results from several other sources) and the 4/2/0,10 bit is also "official" for 24p, not only for 50/60.




Did you try to select manually 4K, 23.976, 10bit, and 4/2/0 (or 4/2/2) from its menu?

Apologies for insisting, I am with you 100%. I am just curious...

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If you don't mind getting back to the 4/2/0, 10-bit "thing"

I was almost certain that with any HDMI version, there were no restrictions when moving down the ladder.
I found the chart below (you can find the same results from several other sources) and the 4/2/0,10 bit is also "official" for 24p, not only for 50/60.

Did you try to select manually 4K, 23.976, 10bit, and 4/2/0 (or 4/2/2) from its menu?

Apologies for insisting, I am with you 100%. I am just curious...
No worries - I know HDMI modes can be a pain - you kind of think they should do any combination, but they don't - this might explain better:

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But in practice?
Did you try?

I am only insisting because many displays will most likely have issues when receiving 4K, 12bit, 4/4/4 signal.

The 10bit, 4/2/0 one , aside from being "easier" and according to disc specs, could have a better actual result with the Dune.
For example, no audio dropouts.
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I'm getting quite fond of this little box now - yes it has issues, but as long as you know what they are and how to set it up, it's a zippy little thing.
Already looks a lot better. Thanks for all these tests.
Gives good expectations for the upcoming RTD1619 based models.
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But in practice?
Did you try?

I am only insisting because many displays will most likely have issues when receiving 4K, 12bit, 4/4/4 signal.

The 10bit, 4/2/0 one , aside from being "easier" and according to disc specs, could have a better actual result with the Dune.
For example, no audio dropouts.
Aside from 4K23 10-bit 420 being an illegal HDMI mode, you can't (quite rightly) set it on the Dune.

4K23 12-bit 444 is pretty standard and doesn't stress the bandwidth so I wouldn't expect issues, but I've been testing 4K23 10-bit 444 today, and without either a Vertex 1 or Vertex 2 in line, I've seen no audio dropouts - go figure!

There's definitely something non standard with its implementation of 4K23 10-bit 444, but it seems to upset the HDFury devices more than receivers or monitors...
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Already looks a lot better. Thanks for all these tests.
Gives good expectations for the upcoming RTD1619 based models.
Yes I think the 1619 boxes will be excellent...

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@markswift2003 ! Based on your feedback i need to order one!

I was wondering if you could test a few more things...

Do the FF and REW work ok on 4k ISO / Full Menu playback?

Do the subtitles off remain off when you start a movie? The 4k pro is hit and miss, usually enables it and you have to toggle through all subs or open the popup to turn off.

FF and REW also re-enables the first subtitle track.

Also if forced subs are still working ok

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I'll check the subtitle stuff tomorrow, but I'm afraid I don't use any full disc rips - my main reason for ripping to a server is to be rid of all the damn menus, adverts, trailers and other superfluous nonsense that clutter up discs...

(I realise I'm in a minority by the way )
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I'll check the subtitle stuff tomorrow, but I'm afraid I don't use any full disc rips - my main reason for ripping to a server is to be rid of all the damn menus, adverts, trailers and other superfluous nonsense that clutter up discs...

(I realise I'm in a minority by the way )

I would suggest the exact opposite. I can understand some wanting the full rip to avoid issues with failed “forced subtitle” recognition in mkv rips. But, where it’s recognised most I think would go the same route you do, unless they require the extras.


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I played a full BDMV rip of Lucy UHD yesterday over my network.
- Subtitles needed to be set as off globally in the menu which I did and this was respected.
- Forced subs worked fine.
- Scanning around FF and RW had no issues.
- HDR was triggered correctly.

Only issues I can find so far is with the lack of flexibility in MyCollection but it is what it is. Posters can’t be changed and I’m getting a lot of foreign language posters. No groups and movies starting “The” appear under T which is nuts. Didn’t even bother adding my TV shows based on past experience, it is too weak as a solution.

Zappiti reports that I have 1639 movies indexed. MyCollection reports 1636 files of which 1629 are movies. Last year using a Solo it was matched up and in sync number wise with the Zap but now this new Dune won’t find three of my movies regardless of what I do. There is no deep scan so I’ll have to live with the small mismatch which is a head scratcher.

All in all a great value little box so far with just about everything on default settings.

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What is really good news that nobody reported any kind of instabilities even giving the box a hard time. This is amazing for a player with a new SOC. So porting FW the Dune way using its own GUI/OS seems to work out very well here.

Zidoo players using RTD1296 and Android 7 still struggle with that here and there.
Their Home Theater 3 will beat the Dune Poster Wall implementation by lengths thow. Do expect the same for Music Player. Anybody has tried the Music Player? Plan to use HibyMusic with Dune if needed.
So strengths and weaknesses compared with Ziddo Z9X will definitely be in different areas.
Always nice to have a choice. Being a sucker for these things too will probably end up getting both.

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This is amazing for a player with a new SOC + running a new Android OS. So porting FW the Dune way using its own GUI/OS seems to work out very well here.
Yes this is classic Dune, a Linux based system with Android only there for apps, frankly none of which I will ever use. I’ve just ordered a second one for the bedroom. Not bothering to wait for the 1619 box, it won’t bring anything I need that this box doesn’t already do. Quick Kudos to the iOS control app, it’s helpful when entering paths, passwords etc..

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Yes this is classic Dune, a Linux based system with Android only there for apps, frankly none of which I will ever use. I’ve just ordered a second one for the bedroom. Not bothering to wait for the 1619 box, it won’t bring anything I need that this box doesn’t already do. Quick Kudos to the iOS control app, it’s helpful when entering paths, passwords etc..

How does it cope with Blu-ray menus either from folder structure or ISO?.


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@markswift2003 Dune emailed me again, unprompted, this morning with a correction to the chroma subsampling that they tested with, as mentioned in their original email. I updated the OP with the second email. Looks like they're also paying attention to the tests you've been performing. Really appreciate the effort they are putting in, makes me really optimistic for the Dune HD Pro 4K II, which is probably what I will end up going with.
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@markswift2003 Dune emailed me again, unprompted, this morning with a correction to the chroma subsampling that they tested with, as mentioned in their original email. I updated the OP with the second email. Looks like they're also paying attention to the tests you've been performing. Really appreciate the effort they are putting in, makes me really optimistic for the Dune HD Pro 4K II, which is probably what I will end up going with.
Good news.

Where is their contact form?
Can you provide a link?

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