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Good news.

Where is their contact form?
Can you provide a link?
I initiated contact with them through this form: https://www.dune-hd.com/pages/contact
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@markswift2003 ! Based on your feedback i need to order one!

I was wondering if you could test a few more things...

Do the FF and REW work ok on 4k ISO / Full Menu playback?

Do the subtitles off remain off when you start a movie? The 4k pro is hit and miss, usually enables it and you have to toggle through all subs or open the popup to turn off.

FF and REW also re-enables the first subtitle track.

Also if forced subs are still working ok

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I know this was answered yesterday by @sutton8 but just to add that Forced Subs do not appear to be working in mkv files.

Not really a big issue because if you mux to mkv as I do, you tend to omit the subs you don't want so you can leave subs enabled, but it would be nice if the forced flag was honoured.

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Don’t have any ISO but menus work well with BDMV folders and are smooth. The pop up menu functionality works well and resume is available where supported. I’ve tried a dozen so far and the only odd one was Gemini Man. For some reason that BDMV starts with subtitles on rather than off as per the global setting.
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I know this was answered yesterday by @sutton8 but just to add that Forced Subs do not appear to be working in mkv files.

Not really a big issue because if you mux to mkv as I do, you tend to omit the subs you don't want so you can leave subs enabled, but it would be nice if the forced flag was honoured.

Deal breaker for me mate I’m afraid.


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@sutton8 and @markswift2003 thanks for the testing! I've ordered one as it meets my main complaint of framerates.

Forced subs and subtitles starting is definitely a nuisance but not a blocker. Last night I was able to actually get the Pro 4k to not start with subtitle by toggling the player from Internal to one of the others. When I changed it back to Internal, the subtitles did not start by default. The FF and FEW also did not bring the subtitles back. So definitely strange behaviour. The PRO 4k also does not have an "off" setting for subtitles. It's either Auto or a specified language. So Pro 4k is hit and miss...

Will join the testing team once mine arrives!
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I know this was answered yesterday by @sutton8 but just to add that Forced Subs do not appear to be working in mkv files.

Not really a big issue because if you mux to mkv as I do, you tend to omit the subs you don't want so you can leave subs enabled, but it would be nice if the forced flag was honoured.
I mux as you do and have only forced subs present, but that's only for (UHD) BD remuxes. For web-dls its a different story a they have endless subs. So that would be a dealbreaker for me as well.
Only Zidoo supports that on Realtek, right?
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@steelman1991 it's possible that forced subs work with ISO or BDMV folders... I actually have very few MKV files to test forced but I'll be able to test forced for Menu play.
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I’ve only tried BDMV folders and forced subs work fine with them, which is one of the reasons I rip in that way. Not tried MKV like markswift2003.

There is an option in the settings to start with main subtitles disabled and it has worked flawlessly on all films thus far other than Gemini Man as I said.

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Are there any good modern looking skins available? No offense to Dune, but the stock skin I've seen in most screenshots, looks pretty dated. Also, I noticed that the grid of cover art in the screenshots on Futeko, has the album artwork squeezed into the incorrect aspect ratio, and it just looks wrong, is that really what it looks like on the device?
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Are there any good modern looking skins available? No offense to Dune, but the stock skin I've seen in most screenshots, looks pretty dated. Also, I noticed that the grid of cover art in the screenshots on Futeko, has the album artwork squeezed into the incorrect aspect ratio, and it just looks wrong, is that really what it looks like on the device?
There is some limited functionality for changing the look of the wall. For example I just have a grid of pictures and no preview to the right hand side as you show in that pic. But options are really limited overall. MyCollection is not a patch on Kodi or Zappiti for example.

You can also change the background to different colours and themes but I’ve just stuck with stock black. None of the options are very exciting. I suppose someone could use Yadis if they really wanted to.

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@steelman1991 it's possible that forced subs work with ISO or BDMV folders... I actually have very few MKV files to test forced but I'll be able to test forced for Menu play.

I think that’s been confirmed as working earlier in thread. But, yes please test and confirm.

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There is some limited functionality for changing the look of the wall. For example I just have a grid of pictures and no preview to the right hand side as you show in that pic. But options are really limited overall. MyCollection is not a patch on Kodi or Zappiti for example.

You can also change the background to different colours and themes but I’ve just stuck with stock black. None of the options are very exciting. I suppose someone could use Yadis if they really wanted to.
Thanks for the info! Is the cover art really the wrong aspect ratio in the grid, like shown in the screenshot?
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Thanks for the info! Is the cover art really the wrong aspect ratio in the grid, like shown in the screenshot?
If you get rid of the preview poster on the right it all looks square to me and uniform. I think you press A on the remote to change the view but can’t remember. Anyway it’s easy to change view.

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I mux as you do and have only forced subs present, but that's only for (UHD) BD remuxes. For web-dls its a different story a they have endless subs. So that would be a dealbreaker for me as well.
Only Zidoo supports that on Realtek, right?
Why not just remux the Web-DLs as well? Only takes a few minutes and can be done as a batch if there are a lot to do.

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Only Zidoo supports that on Realtek, right?
Yes, on the 1296 boxes.

I don't think anyone cracked it on the 1295 boxes so possibly the 1395 is the same...

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I think it's a Realtek issue that was fixed in the 1296 SOC (but I assume was carried forward from 1295 to 1395) so I'd fully expect the 1619 Pro II to support it.
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Why not just remux the Web-DLs as well? Only takes a few minutes and can be done as a batch if there are a lot to do.
Because a media player has to fit my needs and not vice versa. Besides, I'm not talking about some super advanced or niche feature. Forced flag has been around for years if not over a decade and I consider it a basic feature.
So fingers crossed the RTD1619 has support for that.
Also, I'm not sure it can be automated with Sonarr for weekly episodes.
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Forced flag has been around for years if not over a decade and I consider it a basic feature.
An alternative view, people will look at this differently.

My movies are split about 50% MKV and 50% BDMV and there is no issue with forced subs on BDMV on my players. As to the MKV probably no more than 5% of the 50% have forced subs. On those that do, like Avatar, I just spend the short time picking the correct sub which more often than not will be the second one. Would be nice if it worked but a non issue for me when you consider the other things this box gets right, such as frame rate matching and smooth playback of large files.

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Mine arrived

Tested a lot of 4k rips with 10bit color and I get no audio dropouts on any color space modes.
I am not aware of markswift2003's dropout frequency, but I experienced no issues during 10-15min playback of 4K ATMOS clips (selected scenes).

BD playback seemed perfect. Pink's full concert was played from start to finish (in menu navigation mode) with no issues at all. I didn't test 1080p that much though. No MKV's at all.

Auto mode works also well. All tests were performed with "original content" setting in color space, not maximum.

Compared to zidoo z9s, UHD menu loading times are also significantly better. There were UHD backups that would refuse to play on both players in menu mode, but some played on Dune and not on Zidoo (new bad boys, dr sleep)
Image quality was exactly the same between Dune Realbox 4K and Zidoo Z9s.

All tests were on a friend's LG 65" C9 and Marantz SR7012. Tomorrow i will check some more with my setup.

Youtube app is "fine-tuned" and even though VP9 is supported, the box struggles with high bit-rate VP9 material when on 4K/60/HDR. If you select the second resolution from the top, you will not have problems. I suppose that the 1619 model will for sure perform better.
I did not install any KODI/SPMC version. I am not sure i ever will.

I made a lot of DV tests but no luck. Tested on all FW versions.

The ios app is amazing! Will test the Android equivalent (I hope there is one )

First impressions exceeded my expectations. Aside from Netflix, the Realbox is better than last year's Pro 4K model.

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@steelman1991 it's possible that forced subs work with ISO or BDMV folders... I actually have very few MKV files to test forced but I'll be able to test forced for Menu play.

Yes think that has been confirmed at some point in the thread, but it would be nice to have the "forced subtitle" flag recognised within MKV's for those who prefer their rips without menus etc. The Pro4KII might bring that to the table - tiem will tell.


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I can also confirm subtitle vertical adjustment with disk backups and subtitle downloading.

HDR ->SDR is probably the best I have seen, alongside Zapitti 4k HDR models. Had my setting to auto...

Amazing little box so far!
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I believe that @markswift2003 has also stated the following...
When in 12bit color and Maximum color depth settings, you usually get a 12bit 422 output with the unwanted 24.00 framerate.

All other combos (including 12bit and "as content") result in a perfect 23.973 one.

I will try and force Dolby dropouts during the weekend.

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I believe that @markswift2003 has also stated the following...
When in 12bit color and Maximum color depth settings, you usually get a 12bit 422 output with the unwanted 24.00 framerate.

All other combos (including 12bit and "as content") result in a perfect 23.973 one.

I will try and force Dolby dropouts during the weekend.
Yes - for 4K23, 12-bit 422 outputs at 24.000 fps but 10/12-bit 444 outputs 23.973 fps.

I think the audio dropouts are inexplicably only there when the Vertex is in line (despite using certified cables) - Now that I know that 10 and 12-bit 444 produces a perfect frame rate, having removed the Vertex, I see no more dropout at 10-bit 444.

To clarify further, I think this may also be a consequence of using Denon receivers with such a setup since I have Denon in both my rooms, but that's pure speculation.

This little box has now taken over from my trusty Dune Solo in my den where I'm using a Denon 7200 into an 85" Sammy flat screen.

So despite earlier findings, this is a great little box and I can't see what the Pro II could add to it in real life performance.

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@vadergr - I see you have a Vertex - if that's a Vertex 1, it'd be interesting to see how your box performs with 4K23 10-bit 444 (with the following chain: Realbox > Vertex > Receiver > Monitor)

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@vadergr - I see you have a Vertex - if that's a Vertex 1, it'd be interesting to see how your box performs with 4K23 10-bit 444 (with the following chain: Realbox > Vertex > Receiver > Monitor)
While I was testing today I recalled your experience.
I remember having no issues with Marantz sr7011.

At least I can remember I had both audio and video.

If you want me to check something specific, please let me know.

PS1. Do you know of any smart way to identify an HDR10+ signal with Vertex 1?
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While I was testing today I recalled your experience.
I remember having no issues with Marantz sr7011.

At least I can remember I had both audio and video.

If you want me to check something specific, please let me know.

PS1. Do you know of any smart way to identify an HDR10+ signal with Vertex 1?
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It was just to see if your Vertex recognises 4K23 10-bit 444 - mine didn't - Vertex 2 was ok, but not Vertex 1.

Might be worth asking @HDfury , but I think you need a Vertex 2 to recognise HDR10+


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It was just to see if your Vertex recognises 4K23 10-bit 444 - mine didn't - Vertex 2 was ok, but not Vertex 1.

Might be worth asking @HDfury , but I think you need a Vertex 2 to recognise HDR10+


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It recognized the signal for sure. Both in the OLED display and the GUI.
I also had both audio and video.

Did you confirm HDR10+ with your Vertex 2 unit?

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It recognized the signal for sure. Both in the OLED display and the GUI.
I also had both audio and video.

Did you confirm HDR10+ with your Vertex 2 unit?
Yes, the Vertex 1 just showed HDR and the Vertex 2, HDR10+
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I know this was answered yesterday by @sutton8 but just to add that Forced Subs do not appear to be working in mkv files.

Not really a big issue because if you mux to mkv as I do, you tend to omit the subs you don't want so you can leave subs enabled, but it would be nice if the forced flag was honoured.

Thanks markswift2003, I'm almost exclusively menus and don't know enough about how menus work but I suspect there is code the helps identify the correct stream, etc. After playing with a lot of muxing (and eventually gave up and just did full rips) I encountered the forced subs as the 2nd eng sub, the last eng sub, the first eng sub of the last group of eng subs... , etc. Also within the main eng stream with forced flags and or in the SDH stream.


Too many times I forgot to scan BD SUP files for the forced flag to extract... only to watch a movie and discover that there were forced subs and have to remux again... that same feeling is revived every time my PRO 4K does not respect forced subs and I'm toggling through subs either looking for the forced stream, or checking to see if there is actually one, etc.


Hoping this box also solves that for menus. Sounds like yes.. will do testing and report back when I get it!
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So despite earlier findings, this is a great little box and I can't see what the Pro II could add to it in real life performance.
SOC functionality is the same but a total build quality has always some effect on Video/Audio performance.
Above all the power design and PSU have some effects when coming to ultimate stability and resistance to grid spikes and voltage changes. Top video/audio products spend a lot of detail to that.

Having adequate power feeds/ports for USB3 and SATA will also appeal to many users like me (preferring even a Plus).
When spending a big amount of money on big TV's/Projectors and Amplifiers/Receivers + Speakers one should not be content using the entry model for a player despite obviously offering the best value/money ratio.

I also do expect Dune to start varying functionality with these models (beyond Android 9). But that is an educated guess thus far.
I have seen CD Audio support as a differentiator thus far.

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