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Yep, LG really saved our bacon. Who woulda thunk it?
Yes they are heading in the right direction. Better menu controls for DNR etc are necessary for the tweekers like us that want to get the most out of our monitors. LG seems to be receptive which is good. I'm really looking forward to the next monitor shoot out with one of these 65s in the mix!

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Interesting. Looks like I'm waiting till March, hopefully the EG9600 is much more affordable
At 80% yield already yeah, you'd think it'd be FAR more affordable
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Now LG just needs to get on the DisplayPort wagon like Panasonic has.

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At 80% yield already yeah, you'd think it'd be FAR more affordable
Gotta make up that R&D somehow.
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Yep, LG really saved our bacon. Who woulda thunk it?
You're right. I never thought I'd be buying an lg television anytime soon just little over a year ago...
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We'll team here are my findings from the LG event.

1. There will be flat versions of the 65 and 77 coming in June in the us.
2. The ec9700 will be replaced by the eg9600 in March. The person mentioned that it is a redesign and that I should wait to purchase that one. He said that the ones available today were a somehow limited run perhaps speculation about the new production facility has something to do with this.
3. The ec9700 is basically a bigger 4k version of the ec9300. It has the same web os speed etc.
4. Nothing was known of BFI or of CMS problems.
5. The 77 would be available in July 2015.
6. The flexible version might be available in the second half of 2105 but I wouldn't hold my breath.
7. One rep mentioned that they were now (with production improvements) getting 80% yields on the 65, but only 30% on the 77.
8. They wouldn't let me use my USB stick, they wouldn't deviate from the test material. It was the standard demo that we have all seen many times but never this good.
9. The ec9700 was produced in August in Korea. The back of the 77 was locked so I couldn't see anything and there were no stickers to spy.
10. Nothing was known of the bright level question but these were on display in a large atrium style room with a 2 story ceiling of glass with very bright lighting and they looked magnificent. Zero bright room viewing issues with these puppies.

Lastly, I have to say that they were easily the most beautiful displays I have ever laid eyes on. They were stunning. You simply have to see one to appreciate it but it's going to be very hard for me now to buy anything else. I have had many high quality by any standards displays, and these are of a different caliber fwiw. I was able to view them alongside a 105" curved 4k ips panel and a flat 4k 98" ips. Additionally, the showroom floor was right next to the demo area and I spent a lot of time walking back and forth between what are now regarded as good high quality displays and these and there is simply no competition, there was a 85" xbr950 on display with blu ray source fed ca winter soldier playing that while excellent in its own right looked flat and synthetic compared to the oleds. Not to get all teary eyed on you but we live in a fantastic time for video junkies.
Wow - thanks for this!

So it seems that that predictions of new iterations of this model coming shortly were correct. I wonder if the sets in March will include HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.0? It would also give LG a chance to implement alternative motion options such as black frame interface (BFI), should they prove to be listening to requests.

Also, isn't it strange that the set was manufactured as far back as August? Have they been stockpiling them?

And 80 per cent yield on the 65" sets? Terrific! I wonder what that mean for yields on the 55" model, given that they were last reported to be about this number, and maybe moving higher.

Flat versions in June. I wonder if they'll be wall mountable only? It was noted in that last website report that the curve was almost necessary with the 65" for structural integrity.

Was anything said about other manufacturers buying LG Display panels? I imagine they don't want to be mentioning that at a specifically LG promo event.

Anyway, well done, and thanks. Wish I could have seem one in the flesh. They sound totally amazing.

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The flat 65 is scheduled to be out in the 2nd quarter of 2015, my guess at the end of the 2nd quarter given LG's track record. Not sure about pricing. I too have been told by insiders that this will be the 65 to get, not the current model, unless you just have to have the curve. Given the yields on the 77, I am sure that one will be very, very expensive, even the flat one. I think pricing will be announced at CES. See Ken, good things do come to those that wait!
For people waiting for the 77", I'm not sure what that 'good thing' is in terms of waiting for the flat version and the new pricing. We don't know what that price will be. I'm also unclear as to what the point of the flex version would be, if there now will be a flat, non-flex 77". It was always mentioned that the next 77" would be the flex version which you know will be even more expensive than the curved. Of course by the time the flex version is released, the curved 77 will be cheaper. LG's implementation of the curve doesn't bother me, Samsung's does.

So I'd like to see more clarity on the different iterations of the 77". It doesn't make sense to me that there will be 3.

But waiting an additional year will bring about further drops, it always does. So at whatever point you jump in, waiting a year after that will bring further savings AND improvements. So as has always been the case, each of us decides when to buy and how much the enjoyment of viewing the new display is worth for that year vs waiting yet another year. There is no right or wrong answer.

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Any word on a flat 55"? Perhaps around the same time as the new 65"?
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LG could potentially unleash a wave of new oleds next year, compared to just the 2 this year, If we include the ec9700.

These are just guesses based on the info from wicklow and the model numbers from certified wifi products

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4k flat 65eg9900, 77eg9900
4k curved 55eg9600, 65eg9600, 77eg9800

Curved replacement for the 55ec9300? Not sure but found model numbers 55ef9500, 65ef9500 and 65ef9800, maybe those are full HD displays

And there is the possibility of the flexible 77 inch display
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Thanks for the clarification. I have no business (trying to finance) one right now anyway, but $25k is a natural price for such an untamed beast in the meantime. Bad news for Ken Ross, I'm afraid!
Yeah, Ken Ross is a bit confused. Do we have or will we have 3 versions of the 77"? Hard to believe. We know we have the curved version and we heard the flex version was coming. Now I'm not sure if Wicklow's reference to a flat 77" is actually the flex version or a new, third version.
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Yeah, Ken Ross is a bit confused. Do we have or will we have 3 versions of the 77"? Hard to believe. We know we have the curved version and we heard the flex version was coming. Now I'm not sure if Wicklow's reference to a flat 77" is actually the flex version or a new, third version.
New flat version.
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Vaktmestern, I know that's what they told Wicklow, but does it makes sense they'd have 3 versions of the same size? I mean they'll have enough problems getting high yields from one as opposed to worrying about getting 3 right. I'd just like verification that the info that was given to Wicklow was correct.

Can't wait to see the pricing on these puppies.
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How about a PC capable of 4k output? Do you have one of those?
I have a computer with 4 EVGA Titans, problem is that I will need to get a Display port to HDMI 2.0 converter since the Titans have HDMI 1.4b.

Since each one of these cards cost me almost $2000 I am not looking to buy anything else until a real titan upgrade comes into play. (Titan Z is just 2 titans in one and you can not use more than 2 so I wont even bother).
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Vaktmestern, I know that's what they told Wicklow, but does it makes sense they'd have 3 versions of the same size? I mean they'll have enough problems getting high yields from one as opposed to worrying about getting 3 right. I'd just like verification that the info that was given to Wicklow was correct.

Can't wait to see the pricing on these puppies.
Wish I was at the event in London but had to leave for Amsterdam, not that there is anything wrong that but I would still have loved to have been there. Frankly, with a 77" flat one confirmed, I see no reason for the flexible display, too many potential issues can crop up flexing the material IMHO. I think you will see 2, one flat and one curved. Hopefully in a year or two, the curved one will disappear, leaving one flat one. We will know in a few weeks.
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The news of the flat 65 coming in June may make me cancel my order for an F8500; hmmm…
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^^^^ 55EA8800 was released mid year last year, only been out for like 6 months. This is still a current, available model.
Right, but I understood this one to be a "luxury" model given the gallery frame and higher price tag. I'm looking for news on what would be essentially a revised, flat 9300 (and cheaper than an 8800).
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So I'd like to see more clarity on the different iterations of the 77". It doesn't make sense to me that there will be 3.
If there truly is a flat 77", the transformer model is probably DOA. As you said it would not make sense to have 3 models of the same display. The transformer model would be more expensive and who knows what problems flexing the screen back and forth might cause down the road. LG's sales data has to show people do not want the curve.
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^ Makes sense to me sytech. I even agree with JWhip which really has me frightened.
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Anyone Gaming Lag tested the 65" version yet?
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We'll team here are my findings from the LG event.
Thanks for the report!

This may be obvious since you didn't mention it, but I'd like to ask anyway: So did you notice uniformity issues on the left / right edges of the screen?
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Now LG just needs to get on the DisplayPort wagon like Panasonic has.


Gotta make up that R&D somehow.
True, but the age old question. Do you make up your R&D spend base on sales volume or per unit profit. Since they have the opportunity to bring to market amazing technology, they should try to capture as much market share as they can if they truly want OLED to take off. Yeah I know...steady and slow wins the race, but not in this case.
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The news of the flat 65 coming in June may make me cancel my order for an F8500; hmmm…
I cancelled my zt60 when learned theses were coming out a year or two afterwards.
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Yeah, Ken Ross is a bit confused. Do we have or will we have 3 versions of the 77"? Hard to believe. We know we have the curved version and we heard the flex version was coming. Now I'm not sure if Wicklow's reference to a flat 77" is actually the flex version or a new, third version.
To me it seems like if they are agile enough with their plans to announce so many new flat ones it could be a complete change of strategy fueled by either feedback, or more likely that issues like uniformity fare better in their test runs on flat models. I think they'll choose to manufacture whichever one is cheapest and less prone to PQ issues. Whatever it may be they've been showing signs of improvement which is really promising.
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Yeah, Ken Ross is a bit confused. Do we have or will we have 3 versions of the 77"? Hard to believe. We know we have the curved version and we heard the flex version was coming. Now I'm not sure if Wicklow's reference to a flat 77" is actually the flex version or a new, third version.
Ken:

He was specific that there would be a flat version and possibly a flex version in the second half of 2015 but was clear that the flex is not a priority in terms of timing. I got the distinct impression that the flex may end up being vaporware.

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Thanks for the report!

This may be obvious since you didn't mention it, but I'd like to ask anyway: So did you notice uniformity issues on the left / right edges of the screen?
I was unable to view anything but the demo material. I did look to see if I could discern any darkness at the edges or anything else that might be off but couldn't see anything that was unusual but again test material so who knows with real world content, but it looked pretty great to say the least.
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^^^^ 55EA8800 was released mid year last year, only been out for like 6 months. This is still a current, available model.
Only 1080p, but I'm sure you knew that Cleveland Plasma, just FYI for those who didn't know. Most of this thread is about the 4K sets.

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Here are two photos I was able to get of the back of the EC9700...I wasn't able to get any good ones of the actual displays but to be honest my camera phone would not have done them any justice anyways.
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Hi folks.

What would also be interesting is input lag. On the 55EC9300 this doesn't seem to be a problem (below 40ms), but as 4K sets usually have more lag (even the Sony), I would like to know if gaming is feasible on this set - never mind possible IR. Maybe jh87 could hook up one of his Xboxes, or wicklow ask this question at the LG event.

I preorderd the 65EC9700 four weeks ago at an electronic shop here in Austria, when they had a "special price" of 6.000 € (approx. 7.500 $). According to them the tv could arrive before Christmas, gut no guarantees. I have the option to test this set at the dealer shop before taking it home, so I prepared pictures with different shades of gray, videos for banding tests, and so on. Still don't know if I should take such an early set, or wait for an M2 model. But at this "low" price, it will depend on my tests I think...

Still, if the input lag would be too high anyway, maybe I'll get a 55" instead and wait for CES, to see what OLED models are to arrive 2015. So any input on gaming would be highly appreciated - thanks.
Please, when referring to input lag you must be specific. There are different forms of input lag numbers you can get from TV's. If you send a 4K TV a 1080P signal, it has to be up-converted. This add's significant delay. So anything that sends out a 1080P signal like a PS4 or Xbone will have to go through this circuitry.

Now more interestingly, what is the input lag numbers for bypassing most of the circuitry with feeding the TV a native 4K signal from a computer? That is a more important number IMO.

I've noticed a lot of TV's input lag numbers drop dramatically when feeding them with a native 4K signal from a computer and ensuring you are using the correct HDMI 2.0 port configured as "game" or "PC" mode. Bypass as much junk circuitry as possible..

So in reality this day and age reviewers need to present TWO input lag numbers. Any reviews that don't provide any input lag numbers aren't worth reading IMO.

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We'll team here are my findings from the LG event.

1. There will be flat versions of the 65 and 77 coming in June in the us.
2. The ec9700 will be replaced by the eg9600 in March. The person mentioned that it is a redesign and that I should wait to purchase that one. He said that the ones available today were a somehow limited run perhaps speculation about the new production facility has something to do with this.
3. The ec9700 is basically a bigger 4k version of the ec9300. It has the same web os speed etc.
4. Nothing was known of BFI or of CMS problems.
5. The 77 would be available in July 2015.
6. The flexible version might be available in the second half of 2105 but I wouldn't hold my breath.
7. One rep mentioned that they were now (with production improvements) getting 80% yields on the 65, but only 30% on the 77.
8. They wouldn't let me use my USB stick, they wouldn't deviate from the test material. It was the standard demo that we have all seen many times but never this good.
9. The ec9700 was produced in August in Korea. The back of the 77 was locked so I couldn't see anything and there were no stickers to spy.
10. Nothing was known of the bright level question but these were on display in a large atrium style room with a 2 story ceiling of glass with very bright lighting and they looked magnificent. Zero bright room viewing issues with these puppies.

Lastly, I have to say that they were easily the most beautiful displays I have ever laid eyes on. They were stunning. You simply have to see one to appreciate it but it's going to be very hard for me now to buy anything else. I have had many high quality by any standards displays, and these are of a different caliber fwiw. I was able to view them alongside a 105" curved 4k ips panel and a flat 4k 98" ips. Additionally, the showroom floor was right next to the demo area and I spent a lot of time walking back and forth between what are now regarded as good high quality displays and these and there is simply no competition, there was a 85" xbr950 on display with blu ray source fed ca winter soldier playing that while excellent in its own right looked flat and synthetic compared to the oleds. Not to get all teary eyed on you but we live in a fantastic time for video junkies.
Is there any word on a 55" Curved 4K OLED coming out? I would die to get one of those on my desk for flight simulator use.

Also, for computer monitor use some questions:

Does the TV have built in anti-burn in features? Can an OLED TV be used as a computer monitor without harming it?

What kind of lifespan are we looking at with these new OLED? Is the blue pixel issue still around? Or are we talking tens of thousands of usable hours like LCD's?
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Anyone heard from Robert/Value Electronics?

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According to his site the TV is now shipping and he expects more next week.

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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post
Anyone Gaming Lag tested the 65" version yet?
No too much news from jh87, unfortunately. Probably too busy. Hopefully it won't be long until there are more new owners who can help out with all the questions we have.

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Originally Posted by wicklow View Post
1. There will be flat versions of the 65 and 77 coming in June in the us.
2. The ec9700 will be replaced by the eg9600 in March. The person mentioned that it is a redesign and that I should wait to purchase that one. He said that the ones available today were a somehow limited run perhaps speculation about the new production facility has something to do with this.
Could you clarify? Since you mentioned US in 1. is that march date of the EG9600 in 2. for the US or the UK? If it's the US, then it might be April for UK/Europe.

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