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What??!! Them's fightin' words!! I'M ENRAGED!!! Let the flame wars begin!

But seriously, I'm so relieved there are better TV's to look forward to the next time I'm in the market. It truely was looking like an "LCD apocalypse" (to quote a phrase often used by another AVSforum poster). "Who could stand it?"

Cheers to all the ec9300 early-adopters! Enjoy!
I am amazed how the 9300 performs compared to my VT50.

So much so, that I cannot wait for the 77" to come out and replace it.
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(Cross-post from the 9800 thread for balancing of opinions)

So... my 9800 has 5 blue subpixels dead and 2 red ones dead, and they've gotten back to me, finally. They say they don't have any more replacement panels, but can replace it with a 9300.

What do you guys think I should do? I haven't done much research on the 9300. I need the same low lag and such. Should I upgrade or stick with my current one?
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^^ From what little I have read here it seems the 9300 is a better set overall. I would not hesitate......perhaps some of the owners here on this thread can better comment on the set.

PS. I posted CNET's review of the 9300, see it for yourself..... if I was in the market for a new 55"-60" set today I would probably lean towards this set.

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Change to 9300 i just the looks is worth it 9800 looks so old now with its clear stand
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Thanks guys. How's the lag on this thing? Sorry if I'm not sorting through all the previous pages, but I need to get back to the guy today or tomorrow.
Better than the 9800? Around 30ms, maybe?
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Thanks guys. How's the lag on this thing? Sorry if I'm not sorting through all the previous pages, but I need to get back to the guy today or tomorrow.
Better than the 9800? Around 30ms, maybe?
someone measured it in the 20s when the HDMI name is changed to PC and in game mode.
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From the cnet review:

"Test: Black luminance (0%) Result: 0 Score: Good"

Good?

How about "perfect", or "excellent", or "awesome"?


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Well as i thought when it gets calibrated its a brilliant tv was a good review and as katz says the motion slight stutter migh be gone with a software update on it.
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Thanks guys. How's the lag on this thing? Sorry if I'm not sorting through all the previous pages, but I need to get back to the guy today or tomorrow.
Better than the 9800? Around 30ms, maybe?

It's better than the 9800, but still not good. I measured it as 45.9ms. Cnet measured it as 46.7, so they might have had a couple of the "magic" settings enabled to explain the 0.8ms difference.
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Well add 4k upscaling on the 4k ones and we might see even more on those.
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any owners have dead subs pixels?
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It's better than the 9800, but still not good. I measured it as 45.9ms. Cnet measured it as 46.7, so they might have had a couple of the "magic" settings enabled to explain the 0.8ms difference.
If I just have to change the input name to "PC" and put it on "Game Mode", I think that's worth the effort to get < 30ms
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any owners have dead subs pixels?
One blue. I saw one black dot with an all blue full screen pattern. I was sad at first. But I realized that even up close I have a hard time finding it. It is impossible to see at my normal sitting position.
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One blue. I saw one black dot with an all blue full screen pattern. I was sad at first. But I realized that even up close I have a hard time finding it. It is impossible to see at my normal sitting position.
I don't have issues with have a couple out, I worry that they grow with time like the 9800
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If I just have to change the input name to "PC" and put it on "Game Mode", I think that's worth the effort to get < 30ms
Keep dreaming! Changing the input label to PC doesn't lower the input lag from 45.9ms.


Maybe the 3rd gen 1080p model will have low input lag in game mode, but I'm not counting on that happening.
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OLED bashing

I have noticed today that after the CNET review was posted, the haters have come out of the woodwork all over the web. WHY is it they hate this TV so much and OLED in general? WHY are they so much harder on OLED than anyone was on Plasma (at least in my memory) They say they hate it, it sucks, it is deficient, but it is more like they are terrified of it. I am having a hard time figuring out people like this.

We finally get absolute black and infinite contrast and still some are hell bent on bashing this thing. ??

While I was initially disappointed in native motion handling without the use of Tru Motion engaged, I have not once thought I didn't get my full money's worth from this thing. And while I know that future versions will probably out class the 9300, it is a great solid 1080p TV that honestly does have the best picture I have ever seen so far, warts and all.

While I enjoyed the CNET review, I thought a few things were just a bit misleading and that perhaps if they spent more time with this unit they would have a deeper appreciation of it. HEY, at least he said it was the greatest TV he had ever seen. And I certainly agree with that thought myself.
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If I just have to change the input name to "PC" and put it on "Game Mode", I think that's worth the effort to get < 30ms
Keep dreaming! Changing the input label to PC doesn't lower the input lag from 45.9ms.


Maybe the 3rd gen 1080p model will have low input lag in game mode, but I'm not counting on that happening.
I have the Leo Bodnar tester and 9300 if you label the input pc and put then put picture mode to game mode you get 28.6ms , I even posted pics many pages back... and no I am not dreaming.
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Thanks guys. How's the lag on this thing? Sorry if I'm not sorting through all the previous pages, but I need to get back to the guy today or tomorrow.
Better than the 9800? Around 30ms, maybe?

It's better than the 9800, but still not good. I measured it as 45.9ms. Cnet measured it as 46.7, so they might have had a couple of the "magic" settings enabled to explain the 0.8ms difference.
Please stop posting inaccurate info like this, it's not true, I already posted many times about this with my Leo bodnar tester...


It has 28.6ms of lag in pc mode labeled and picture mode to game with my Leo bodnar tester, try it yourself if you don't believe me

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(Cross-post from the 9800 thread for balancing of opinions)

So... my 9800 has 5 blue subpixels dead and 2 red ones dead, and they've gotten back to me, finally. They say they don't have any more replacement panels, but can replace it with a 9300.

What do you guys think I should do? I haven't done much research on the 9300. I need the same low lag and such. Should I upgrade or stick with my current one?
5 is too any, yes I would make the change. Any 55" OLED kicks some serious butt, you cannot go wrong and 5 is too many. I like my 9800 more than the 9300 but it only has one green and one red out, if it had 5 I would exchange it. The 9300 as the CNET review stated is better than any LCD or Plasma. I still recommend a professional calibration not from the Geek Squad.
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I have noticed today that after the CNET review was posted, the haters have come out of the woodwork all over the web. WHY is it they hate this TV so much and OLED in general?

Who hates this TV so much? If it were not for higher input lag than current TV, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!
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I have the Leo Bodnar tester and 9300 if you label the input pc and put then put picture mode to game mode you get 28.6ms , I even posted pics many pages back... and no I am not dreaming.
This is a great area of improvement and the OLED choice for gamers.
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I have noticed today that after the CNET review was posted, the haters have come out of the woodwork all over the web. WHY is it they hate this TV so much and OLED in general? WHY are they so much harder on OLED than anyone was on Plasma (at least in my memory) They say they hate it, it sucks, it is deficient, but it is more like they are terrified of it. I am having a hard time figuring out people like this.

We finally get absolute black and infinite contrast and still some are hell bent on bashing this thing. ??

While I was initially disappointed in native motion handling without the use of Tru Motion engaged, I have not once thought I didn't get my full money's worth from this thing. And while I know that future versions will probably out class the 9300, it is a great solid 1080p TV that honestly does have the best picture I have ever seen so far, warts and all.

While I enjoyed the CNET review, I thought a few things were just a bit misleading and that perhaps if they spent more time with this unit they would have a deeper appreciation of it. HEY, at least he said it was the greatest TV he had ever seen. And I certainly agree with that thought myself.
I read the review also.....
Had the reviewer had the patience that some members like yourself had and done thorough calibration. his opinion might have been different good/better. It never stated if he done a firmware update or not. I found the review to be very sloppy and halfhearted in general.

He could have copied some of the settings posted on this thread.

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28 ms is a great result. It's unfortunate the cnet reviewer did not seem to know the PC label trick. Maybe they would update their article if they knew about it. Perhaps you could add a comment to the review? I would've but since I didn't do the testing it wouldn't carry much weight...

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Please stop posting inaccurate info like this, it's not true, I already posted many times about this with my Leo bodnar tester...


It has 28.6ms of lag in pc mode labeled and picture mode to game with my Leo bodnar tester, try it yourself if you don't believe me
I hope third times the charm. I have a Leo Bodnar tester as well and didn't find that labeling the input as PC made any difference after enabling game mode. Have you updated the firmware on the 9300? It doesn't sound like you can offer any reason why our results are different? If I can get the lag down to 28.6ms, I will be purchasing this TV.
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I'm loving my 55EC9300 but I have a few questions I'm hoping someone can help me with....

1. Can I turn the TV on and off with an IR blaster?

2. I've disabled all of the auto-dimming type features I can find in the menus but the dimming/un-dimming continues. What am I missing?

3. Are there any firmware updates available? If so, can I get them by just putting the TV online?

4. What is the easiest way to calibrate it?

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I read the review also.....
Had the reviewer had the patience that some members like yourself had and done thorough calibration. his opinion might have been different good/better. It never stated if he done a firmware update or not. I found the review to be very sloppy and halfhearted in general.

He could have copied some of the settings posted on this thread.

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If you really look at most reviews with an open mind (which I am guilty of not usually doing), they are pretty accurate most of the time. Better than any LCD or Plasma says a heck of a lot.
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It has 28.6ms of lag in pc mode labeled and picture mode to game with my Leo bodnar tester, try it yourself if you don't believe me
I hope third times the charm. I have a Leo Bodnar tester as well and didn't find that labeling the input as PC made any difference after enabling game mode. Have you updated the firmware on the 9300? It doesn't sound like you can offer any reason why our results are different? If I can get the lag down to 28.6ms, I will be purchasing this TV.
Hi,

Before labeling hdmi pc, you need to put it in game mode, then label pc for hdmi, not type in pc but use the first box with the drop down box that has preset names and choose pc and then change to game picture mode.

I am on the newest firmware 4.30.28. Please let me know if you have issues
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If you really look at most reviews with an open mind (which I am guilty of not usually doing), they are pretty accurate most of the time. Better than any LCD or Plasma says a heck of a lot.
I find reviewers opinions insightful but I prefer owners who live with this TV on a daily basis. They always turn up something that the reviews missed. A little tweak in the settings to achieve lower input lag only excites me more for this TV's gaming prowess.
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I find reviewers opinions insightful but I prefer owners who live with this TV on a daily basis. They always turn up something that the reviews missed. A little tweak in the settings to achieve lower input lag only excites me more for this TV's gaming prowess.
Good Points, reviewers do not have the displays long enough to figure out all the tricks.
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28 ms is a great result. It's unfortunate the cnet reviewer did not seem to know the PC label trick. Maybe they would update their article if they knew about it. Perhaps you could add a comment to the review? I would've but since I didn't do the testing it wouldn't carry much weight...
OK, looks like someone else already put in a comment to this effect below the review.

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