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exactly. And if you are cheap on spending, how often are you going to pay the $30+ for an HDR movie? They won't just be giving them away. Or will you still just rent the HD one, like me, because it looks phenomenal still when you have a good enough tv
You'll have to also shell out likely $700 for an entry level 4K bluray player as well to support HDR.

Personally I don't rent streaming HD videos for playback on my high end TVs, it'a counter productive. Pay all that money for quality and then use crap source material.

I do believe at the current time OLED trumps and LCD with HDR. Maybe in 3 years when we have more HDR content it will change. I don't expect many AVS members will be buying LCD in 3 years time however!

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My opinion is the flat one will be priced higher than the eg9600 curved given the speaker stand it comes with. Id guess between 5 and 6000. Not a snowballs chance it comes in at 2. The ec9300 is what you should be getting if 2 is your price range. 4K is non issue at this size, and the curve is very very slight. I've actually grown to like the small curve over time.

At 2k everyone looking for OLED should be scooping up the ec9300. I paid 3k and would again if I had to. But seriously, I'm a 4K supporter and I can tell you there is no reason to have a 55" 4K set. 65 barely, 75 sure and 85 definitely. I'm not easily impressed and I get digital wood everytime I turn on my ec9300
4K is one thing but what about HDR that will only appear on the EG9600?
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I'm in the same position as some others and monitor the OLED threads. My budget is $2k ($2,500 max) and just wish that the EF9500 55" 4k would be $2,500 or less by March 2016.

Some rumors mention the EF9500 55" could be $4k at the start which makes it so tempting to wait it out to drop in my range.

I bought and returned a Sony 850C 55" and I must say that I see the difference between 1080p and 4k content at 7ft. However, the flashlighting/clouding really bothered me and that's something the EC9300 and EF9500 should have no problem with. The EC9300 would be $900 more than the 850C I purchased.

I'm assuming based on OLED reactions that the black level/contrast outweighs 4k and I am in agreement. If I drop $2k+ on the EC9300 though, I hope my worries of OLED don't come up (banding and possibly made worse by curve, yellow/green tinting when trying to get blacks correct and I'm not going to get professional calibration, color shifts, blue diode degradation.

HDR is another feature I'd like to have, as we all do, but I know I would be waiting to purchase a TV far into 2016/2017 to really get the value out of it (aren't these TVs just getting an update for streaming and not sure of standard?).

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My opinion is the flat one will be priced higher than the eg9600 curved given the speaker stand it comes with. Id guess between 5 and 6000. Not a snowballs chance it comes in at 2.

You're talking about the 65EF9800. The EF9500 comes without a soundbar and is expected to be lower priced than the EG9600.

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One major retailer has the EF9500 available for pre-order now.

55 inch for $4999
65 inch for $7999
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I'm in the same position as some others and monitor the OLED threads. My budget is $2k ($2,500 max) and just wish that the EF9500 55" 4k would be $2,500 or less by March 2016.
On the street, maybe $3000... we will see what happens.
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I've definitely moved on, Not even considering the EF9500 anymore after all the issues this years OLED's have had and the fact these haven't even hit the street yet so will still be $5K when I'm going to buy in about 2 months if they are out at all.

I'll save $3k get a 55 inch JS8500 for $2K and revisit OLED land somewhere around 2020.
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I've definitely moved on, Not even considering the EF9500 anymore after all the issues this years OLED's have had and the fact these haven't even hit the street yet so will still be $5K when I'm going to buy in about 2 months if they are out at all.

I'll save $3k get a 55 inch JS8500 for $2K and revisit OLED land somewhere around 2020.



The post right above you is selling the 55" curved for $3700 and has "estimated" the 55" flat to be around $3000.


So you'll actually save only $1000 and get a much lower quality TV .


Dunno where you get that they have lots of problems. All the professional reviews I've seen (including the VE shootout) call it the greatest TV ever made.


I do agree with you that they seem like vaporware at this point lol, but LG has said they are going to relaunch them at IFA which is the 2nd week of September.


Personally, I'd rather have the TV delayed a few months and a few things on it upgraded (802.11ac, HDMI 2.0a / 18Gbps / 4:4:4 all ports, and of course HDR) rather then have it sooner and half assed.
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The post right above you is selling the 55" curved for $3700 and has "estimated" the 55" flat to be around $3000.


So you'll actually save only $1000 and get a much lower quality TV .


Dunno where you get that they have lots of problems. All the professional reviews I've seen (including the VE shootout) call it the greatest TV ever made.


I do agree with you that they seem like vaporware at this point lol, but LG has said they are going to relaunch them at IFA which is the 2nd week of September.


Personally, I'd rather have the TV delayed a few months and a few things on it upgraded (802.11ac, HDMI 2.0a / 18Gbps / 4:4:4 all ports, and of course HDR) rather then have it sooner and half assed.


And the post above him said pre order is available for $5k. The 3k answer was just speculation on potential price drops well after these hit retail. The fact they are not even available mean they won't be $3k for awhile.
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And the post above him said pre order is available for $5k. The 3k answer was just speculation on potential price drops well after these hit retail. The fact they are not even available mean they won't be $3k for awhile.
Well, I don't think I can really comment on the general intelligence of folks who "pre-order" stuff without offending somebody, so I won't . And I'm not talking about you, just in general. Folks who "pre-order" stuff always get burned hard. Just ask the folks who paid $5500 to get the curved TV on day 1 and a few months later its $3700 all day long.


I know I would be ticked.


I was a FDS on my 50" 1080P Panny Pro Plasma which I'm holding onto until the EF9500 comes out. Not only was there a huge price drop about a month later, but they never did release the HDMI blade for that model.


So that was my first and only time being a FDS .


I fully expect the 55EF9500 to be $3000 - $3200 street or less on day 1.


Judging by LGs poor sales on the curved models, I think they want to fix that up... .
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And the post above him said pre order is available for $5k. The 3k answer was just speculation on potential price drops well after these hit retail. The fact they are not even available mean they won't be $3k for awhile.
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Given the way LG has handled things this year I have ZERO confidence the EF9500 will be out in Sept at a price of $3K and have fixed the current OLED Panel issues we saw at the shootout and somehow added HDR capability. Sorry it's simply not going to happen not this year anyway.
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Given the way LG has handled things this year I have ZERO confidence the EF9500 will be out in Sept at a price of $3K and have fixed the current OLED Panel issues we saw at the shootout and somehow added HDR capability. Sorry it's simply not going to happen not this year anyway.
I think you just have some bitterness towards LG for some reason . I dunno, LG never said they were releasing the flats during the first quarter. They said the curved ones were coming first quarter and the flats "later in the year". Recently they said they are going to launch the flats at IFA. So I guess that is a little later then the rumored "August" date VE has claimed. If you recall, the curved models actually came out a week or two EARLY.


Where you keep coming up with your pricing is beyond me. Pre-order & MSRP pricing has always been for suckers and fools. You know what they say about fools and their money, right? .


If memory serves me correctly, I believe Cleveland was discounting the curved models almost from day 1.


What problems are you talking about with the panels? Like I said, every professional review I've seen says its the greatest TV ever made .


In reference to your thread title, the TV was NEVER going to be under $2K at launch... if you're going to be bitter that stuff you want is too expensive, you're gonna be bitter at a lot of companies .


But hell, this TV was originally supposed to be $5K and now its going to be $3K before its even out. What is there to be bitter about?
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Given the way LG has handled things this year I have ZERO confidence the EF9500 will be out in Sept at a price of $3K and have fixed the current OLED Panel issues we saw at the shootout and somehow added HDR capability. Sorry it's simply not going to happen not this year anyway.
Why not buy the EC9300? That's what has been tempting to me - especially at $1,499 which Fry's has done a couple times now. Not 4k or HDR but damn it looks good and I'm sure it would be better than the Sony 4k tv I tried (Realized how much I value black level/contrast).

Plan for myself is to wait until September when EF9500 is launched (fairly confident in its release) and see where price/yield/features are. If they're not in line with what I'm looking for then EC9300 it is.
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What problems are you talking about with the panels? Like I said, every professional review I've seen says its the greatest TV ever made .

I guess he's referring to the "black edges" issue with the 9600.


There's some good news on this in one of the other threads, LG seems to have said that they fixed the issue and that new trouble free panels are on their way.
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I guess he's referring to the "black edges" issue with the 9600.


There's some good news on this in one of the other threads, LG seems to have said that they fixed the issue and that new trouble free panels are on their way.
Just another reason I'm not lining up to buy this TV on day 1. Let some other folks try it out first and have LG work out the kinks. I'm ready to buy, but there's no 4K content or much equipment out yet, so I'm not in a hurry.


4K BluRay is due out @ XMas


DirecTV did release the new 4K Genie client, but its only the client and for now it'll only do VOD. Still need the new reverse band LNB and some content .


TBH, to be honest, I think LG is using the curved models as beta testing. They knew they wouldn't sell a ton (and they didn't) so any issues (like how they have to replace the panel now) wouldn't break them too bad.


Too bad that LG didn't design the electronics to be upgradable. I don't think the way Samsung is doing it is very cost effective... but the Panny Pro line with the blades... that was a cheaper way to do it IMO.


I wouldn't be too happy knowing I can't do HDR on my $5K set .
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Why not buy the EC9300? That's what has been tempting to me - especially at $1,499 which Fry's has done a couple times now.

This makes me think. Why has LG limited themselves to only producing UHD units when they can apparently produce regular HD units for a much cheaper and more viable price? Given that price is probably the biggest obstacle they have in penetrating the market with OLED, their decision to not offer a line of much cheaper 1080p sets is puzzling. To succeed with the tech, they need as much market penetration as they can get. By not offering 1080p sets, they seem to almost be shooting themselves in the foot. Then again, perhaps they don't have the manufacturing capacity yet to produce both.
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Because they know OLED is not now and likely may never be directly price-comparable with LCD.

Given that they will need to charge a premium for OLED, they feel they need to target the premium TV marketplace, which is 4K.

IMHO, that's a smart move as the standard 1080p TV market has largely been left to the Vizios and house brands typically seen in the under-$700 market.

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Too bad that LG didn't design the electronics to be upgradable. I don't think the way Samsung is doing it is very cost effective... but the Panny Pro line with the blades... that was a cheaper way to do it IMO.
Do you remember the prices on the Panasonic Pro plasmas and the costs of the blades? Not exactly inexpensive; the MSRP on the 50" TH-50PHD6UY plasma was $7495 and the DVI-D board was $150 more.

Note also that Panasonic never bothered to come out with an HDMI board for their older plasmas, so even at $150 it wasn't cost-effective to create new blades for old TVs.

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This makes me think. Why has LG limited themselves to only producing UHD units when they can apparently produce regular HD units for a much cheaper and more viable price? Given that price is probably the biggest obstacle they have in penetrating the market with OLED, their decision to not offer a line of much cheaper 1080p sets is puzzling. To succeed with the tech, they need as much market penetration as they can get. By not offering 1080p sets, they seem to almost be shooting themselves in the foot. Then again, perhaps they don't have the manufacturing capacity yet to produce both.
Because nobody cares about 1080p anymore and nobody is developing 1080p any further. All the new tech is on the 4K sets only.


Most manufactures are all 4K sets only this year.
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Do you remember the prices on the Panasonic Pro plasmas and the costs of the blades? Not exactly inexpensive; the MSRP on the 50" TH-50PHD6UY plasma was $7495 and the DVI-D board was $150 more.

Note also that Panasonic never bothered to come out with an HDMI board for their older plasmas, so even at $150 it wasn't cost-effective to create new blades for old TVs.

$150 on a $5000 set is much more realistic then $500 on a $1500 set which is pretty much how relative the OneConnect box is.
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This makes me think. Why has LG limited themselves to only producing UHD units when they can apparently produce regular HD units for a much cheaper and more viable price? Given that price is probably the biggest obstacle they have in penetrating the market with OLED, their decision to not offer a line of much cheaper 1080p sets is puzzling. To succeed with the tech, they need as much market penetration as they can get. By not offering 1080p sets, they seem to almost be shooting themselves in the foot. Then again, perhaps they don't have the manufacturing capacity yet to produce both.
because, right now, they are making mostly 1080p sets. once they transition into making mostly 4k sets, the 4k sets will go down in price like the 1080p sets have.
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I've definitely moved on, Not even considering the EF9500 anymore after all the issues this years OLED's have had and the fact these haven't even hit the street yet so will still be $5K when I'm going to buy in about 2 months if they are out at all.

I'll save $3k get a 55 inch JS8500 for $2K and revisit OLED land somewhere around 2020.

I completely agree after researching for about 2 weeks and contemplating, I decided on the JS8500. OLED will be ideal in 3 to 4 years and I crossing my fingers that Samsung will get back into OLED to give LG a run for there money.
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This makes me think. Why has LG limited themselves to only producing UHD units when they can apparently produce regular HD units for a much cheaper and more viable price? Given that price is probably the biggest obstacle they have in penetrating the market with OLED, their decision to not offer a line of much cheaper 1080p sets is puzzling. To succeed with the tech, they need as much market penetration as they can get. By not offering 1080p sets, they seem to almost be shooting themselves in the foot. Then again, perhaps they don't have the manufacturing capacity yet to produce both.

1080p OLED is cheaper to produce now, but in time LG probably feels they can get 4K yields just as high, and eventually make the same profit margins on those sets as if they were 1080p.

For a 55" 1080p still makes a lot of sense, so I'm glad they continue to manufacture the EC9300. But for the bigger sizes sticking with 4K makes sense.
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LG are still making 1080p sets. The new EG910V will be a curved (why?) 1080p set. It MAY just be a European exclusive though
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Not sure if it's an error, but VE is claiming the 9200 is a new fhd model, they could mean the 9100, so there could be a new 1080p set in NA afterall

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I completely agree after researching for about 2 weeks and contemplating, I decided on the JS8500. OLED will be ideal in 3 to 4 years and I crossing my fingers that Samsung will get back into OLED to give LG a run for there money.
Why did you get the JS8500 over the EC9300? You could say they're the same price as I've seen the EC9300 being sold for $1,499 - $2,299. Can't be just 4k and HDR through ethernet/wifi right?
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Oh and also it would be great if they could make the Porsche 911 Turbo start at 30 grand. You guys are so funny! Premium products drive premium prices- simple as that. Will never change. You get what you pay for.
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This makes me think. Why has LG limited themselves to only producing UHD units when they can apparently produce regular HD units for a much cheaper and more viable price?
The cheaper the item, the less profit is in that product. 1080P will be our for probably one more year then gone forever......
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Why did you get the JS8500 over the EC9300? You could say they're the same price as I've seen the EC9300 being sold for $1,499 - $2,299. Can't be just 4k and HDR through ethernet/wifi right?

JS8500 is Flat, 4K, HDR capable, HDMI 2/HDCP 2.2 compliant.

Two completely different TV's and only one of them is remotely future proof. I would never buy a TV now spending nearly $2K for something that could not play any of the new formats coming within 6-12 months.
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