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Where do you "get" the $6K that you can live with? This is one big, fat conjecture, no? Because they were quoting $8K+
Doyon's has a price for the 65EF9500 of $8049.96. I have no idea if it is accurate or reliable. Just found it with a Google search. I can't post the link as I am new. I'll try by breaking up the link. doyonsappliance (dotcom) /products/lg/65ef9500 (dothtml)
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'Not to troll, as I have a 55" LG OLED, but, after reading some reviews of the new 65" Samsung QD flagship and its street price compared to the projected one of the 65" OLED, I think it's definitely game on in this segment for the bang/buck crown.

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So LG is the only game in town if you want OLED. Zero competition = higher prices.
Yep. It's one of the reasons I keep hoping for Kateeva to become viable, and Samsung to somehow just move physics aside and find a way......

Samsung's clean RGB stripe (with larger green, and even larger blue subs), is IMO the right approach to all this anyway for any manufacturer until TOLED comes along. I'd rather they were vertically oriented, but I can cope with that. If we can just keep them from wanting to curve the screen into a pretzel....

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'Not to troll, as I have a 55" LG OLED, but, after reading some reviews of the new 65" Samsung QD flagship and its street price compared to the projected one of the 65" OLED, I think it's definitely game on in this segment for the bang/buck crown.
I wouldn't be surprised if the JS9500 ends up taking a lot of sales away from LG. Reviewers seem to love it, and while I'd never consider another LCD... if it ends up getting within 80% of the OLED's picture quality for $2K less, I'm sure many would fall for it.

Will be interesting to see the user impressions for sure.
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I can't speak too much to pricing as I'm not sure we're comparing apples to oranges on vendors here, but the market for $6000 TVs vs. $8000 TVs is on the order of 5-10x larger.
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I can't speak too much to pricing as I'm not sure we're comparing apples to oranges on vendors here, but the market for $6000 TVs vs. $8000 TVs is on the order of 5-10x larger.
Miniscule vs. vanishingly microscopic? Hard to get worked up about volumes here.
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I can't speak too much to pricing as I'm not sure we're comparing apples to oranges on vendors here, but the market for $6000 TVs vs. $8000 TVs is on the order of 5-10x larger.
First street prices for the 65JS9500 have just emerged and you can purchase that TV from an authorized reseller for $6000 from before the actual launch a week or two from now.

I believe LGs flat 65" OLED will be approaching that price as soon as true volume is available (meaning 6000 sheets a month are being produced on M2) - remember, before the price increase and unexpected delay last September, the price LG had leaked for the 65EC9700 was $6500..
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First street prices for the 65JS9500 have just emerged and you can purchase that TV from an authorized reseller for $6000 from before the actual launch a week or two from now.

I believe LGs flat 65" OLED will be approaching that price as soon as true volume is available (meaning 6000 sheets a month are being produced on M2) - remember, before the price increase and unexpected delay last September, the price LG had leaked for the 65EC9700 was $6500..
From $9,000 to $6,500 just like that? As much as I would love for that to happen, there is no way!
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From $9,000 to $6,500 just like that? As much as I would love for that to happen, there is no way!
First of all $9K was for curved 65EG model, the flat 65EF was leaked at $8K.

Second, a drop from $8K to $6.5K would be less than 20% which I think is reasonable to expect when volume gets ramped up (and, $8K is just initial MSRP).
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From $9,000 to $6,500 just like that? As much as I would love for that to happen, there is no way!
Well, for what it is worth, the Samsung 65JS9500 has not even hit the market yet (official launch in the next week or two), and even Samsung is showing a 21% pre-launch discount off of MSRP (from $8000 to $6500): http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN65JS9500FXZA

Beyond that, there are already Authorized Resellers offering a 25% discount off of MSRP to $6000...

LG is showing the MSRP of the 65EC9700 at $12,000 and Amazon is selling it for $10,000.

The recent 'price leak' showed the 65EF9800 at $10,000 and the 65EF9500 at $8000 (identical MSRP to the Samsung 65JS9500).

So yes, just as Samsung is offering pre-launch discounts of 21-25%, once LG starts truly having volumes of these 4K WOLED products to sell, I think it's a foregone conclusion that they will be offering similar levels of discounting off of MSRP...

LGs 55" 4K OLED is an odd duck doesn't that really have much of any competition. Samsung only has the step-down 55JS9000 launching at $3000 street, and among Flagship HDR/FALD LED/LCDs, Panasonics 55CX850U looks like the only other 55" offering in the class this year. No price has been leaked yet, but with Sony's top of line 55" 4K TV (55X900C) selling at an MSRP of $2500, the 55X850U is almost certain to be under $4000 if Panasonic wants to sell any of them (and will probably end up streeting closer to $3000 ).

Which brings us back to the $5000 LG 55EF9600 - I believe we will see that entry-level WOLED down under $4000 as soon as volume is available and closer to $3000 before Black Friday...
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Well, for what it is worth, the Samsung 65JS9500 has not even hit the market yet (official launch in the next week or two), and even Samsung is showing a 21% pre-launch discount off of MSRP (from $8000 to $6500): http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN65JS9500FXZA

Beyond that, there are already Authorized Resellers offering a 25% discount off of MSRP to $6000...

LG is showing the MSRP of the 65EC9700 at $12,000 and Amazon is selling it for $10,000.

The recent 'price leak' showed the 65EF9800 at $10,000 and the 65EF9500 at $8000 (identical MSRP to the Samsung 65JS9500).

So yes, just as Samsung is offering pre-launch discounts of 21-25%, once LG starts truly having volumes of these 4K WOLED products to sell, I think it's a foregone conclusion that they will be offering similar levels of discounting off of MSRP...

LGs 55" 4K OLED is an odd duck doesn't that really have much of any competition. Samsung only has the step-down 55JS9000 launching at $3000 street, and among Flagship HDR/FALD LED/LCDs, Panasonics 55CX850U looks like the only other 55" offering in the class this year. No price has been leaked yet, but with Sony's top of line 55" 4K TV (55X900C) selling at an MSRP of $2500, the 55X850U is almost certain to be under $4000 if Panasonic wants to sell any of them (and will probably end up streeting closer to $3000 ).

Which brings us back to the $5000 LG 55EF9600 - I believe we will see that entry-level WOLED down under $4000 as soon as volume is available and closer to $3000 before Black Friday...
Good post! The panasonic 65 CX850u is going to be under 3500 pounds. Panasonic usually matches pounds to dollars so that would mean the 65 inch might actually be 3.5k. Panasonic stated that thier cx850 lines would be around the same pricing as the Ax 800 lines. You can pick up a 4 k 65 inch Ax 800 from best buy right now for 2.5k. That Ax800 which is last year model also has Goes up to 98% of DCI color space and that was last years model . I think Panasonic is going to really shake things up this year
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Why the Vizio hate? They're putting FALD 4K TVs within reach of people who could not afford them otherwise. You could say they're driving down prices for all, but every product has a budget line. Vizio doesn't claim to have the best image quality available.
Because IMHO Vizio makes disposable garbage and people expect that that is what HD/4K looks like, forever ruining their perceptions.

It's as if people's impressions of movie going were to be forever formed by attending the cheapest, grungiest multiplex around.
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Well, Crutchfield has all the new Samsung LCD TVs up. *None* of them have 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 support including the 9500 which is $6500 for the 65". Crutchfield doesn't say if it has AC though.


Amazing.


$6500 TV and they can't put 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 in there?


I hope my *theoretical* (I'm looking at the EF9500 in reality) $2500 "OLED tax" is also paying for 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 and not just for the screen .


As a matter of fact, nowhere on LGs site (including the manual) does it even mention HDCP 2.2 support (the Samsung only has 1 port that can do it @ 10.2Gbps). I know the 77" has it and the EC9700 has it, but the 2015 models certainly don't say it on the ports like the 2014's did.


Sorry LG, I'm cool with paying $5K for a 55" (although I'd rather pay less LOL), but not if its not future proof enough.
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Well, Crutchfield has all the new Samsung LCD TVs up. *None* of them have 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 support including the 9500 which is $6500 for the 65". Crutchfield doesn't say if it has AC though.


Amazing.


$6500 TV and they can't put 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 in there?


I hope my *theoretical* (I'm looking at the EF9500 in reality) $2500 "OLED tax" is also paying for 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 and not just for the screen .


As a matter of fact, nowhere on LGs site (including the manual) does it even mention HDCP 2.2 support (the Samsung only has 1 port that can do it @ 10.2Gbps). I know the 77" has it and the EC9700 has it, but the 2015 models certainly don't say it on the ports like the 2014's did.


Sorry LG, I'm cool with paying $5K for a 55" (although I'd rather pay less LOL), but not if its not future proof enough.
The HDMI chipset cost is very minuscule I'm sure. If Samsung couldn't get full speed HDMI 2.0 on its flagship model, then that points more to the chips not being available for production yet, which is odd as I've read otherwise...

I still think Crutchfield did a copy/paste of last year's HDMI specs in the absence of any official details.
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The HDMI chipset cost is very minuscule I'm sure. If Samsung couldn't get full speed HDMI 2.0 on its flagship model, then that points more to the chips not being available for production yet, which is odd as I've read otherwise...

I still think Crutchfield did a copy/paste of last year's HDMI specs in the absence of any official details.
Amazing that you can't get extremely detailed specs on TVs. Especially high priced ones .

With AVRs, they tell you the shoe size of the dog walker of the dad of the guy who designed the volume knob. Not so with TVs. BR players also brag about crap like gold plated springs for the tray motor. TVs you can't even get the basic specs LOL.
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Because IMHO Vizio makes disposable garbage and people expect that that is what HD/4K looks like, forever ruining their perceptions.

It's as if people's impressions of movie going were to be forever formed by attending the cheapest, grungiest multiplex around.
The Vizio P series is certainly not garbage, I was actually pretty impressed with the overall PQ of the display. I don't understand the hate for the brand (Just like LG actually!).
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'Not to troll, as I have a 55" LG OLED, but, after reading some reviews of the new 65" Samsung QD flagship and its street price compared to the projected one of the 65" OLED, I think it's definitely game on in this segment for the bang/buck crown.
As long at you don't actually watch tv from anywhere but DEAD ON. Yet again, another LCD with a great review and POOR VIEWING ANGLES.
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As long at you don't actually watch tv from anywhere but DEAD ON. Yet again, another LCD with a great review and POOR VIEWING ANGLES.
I'll give you another downside to the Sammy; noticable fans in the One Connect box. However, as good as my OLED is, it struggles with whites compared to LCD/LED, so...

I'll correct this - it struggles with a full white screen due to ABL kicking in to prevent image retention.

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The Vizio P series is certainly not garbage, I was actually pretty impressed with the overall PQ of the display. I don't understand the hate for the brand (Just like LG actually!).
1) They don't stock parts. If your Vizio breaks and cannot be replaced, tough luck.

2) From what I've seen they tend to be worse than many other brands about engineering to last the warranty period + 1 day.

3) On a related note, they don't seem to last if you have usage patterns outside the norm; if your TV is on two or three hours a day, it's not an issue but if it's on eight or more hours, it's going to last two years or so, tops.

So there's nothing inherent to them that makes me dislike them, it's just in my experience they don't last and cannot be repaired.

That's great from a planned obsolescence point of view, not so good if you tend to keep your TVs ten years or more and/or like your TV and would like to get it repaired were something to happen to it.

That's what I meant when I said I felt they were disposable garbage; they seem to be designed and built that way and the company seems to treat them as such.
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Noticed that BB is now listing the 65EG9600 online for $9000.
Really want to see one first hand.
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From $9,000 to $6,500 just like that? As much as I would love for that to happen, there is no way!
Its very true in the EC9700's case. The vendors did have that preorder price and in at least one case with an AVS member with best buy involved, they honored that price since the customer prepaid as well as preordered.
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Note their specifications tab lists more data than we've had to date; the big question is whether it's accurate or not.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-cl...&skuId=3429088

Some random data:
  • Screen Size: 64.5 inches
  • Width: 57 inches
  • Estimated annual energy usage: 248 Kwh
  • Estimated Annual Operating Cost: $27
  • Component Video Inputs: 1
  • HDMI Inputs: 3
  • USB Ports: 3
  • PC Input: No
  • Product Depth With Stand: 9.3"
  • Product Depth Without Stand: 2"
  • Product Height With Stand: 34.8 inches
  • Product Height Without Stand: 33.1 inches
  • Product Weight With Stand: 55.3 pounds
  • Product Weight Without Stand: 44.1 pounds
  • Specific Manufacturer Technologies: Tru-4K Engine, Tru-4K Upscaler, Triple XD Engine, Tru-Color Generator, Just Scan (1:1 Pixel Matching), Real Cinema 24p
  • UPC: 719192596948
All that stuff is just copy & pasted from LGs site. I did try contact LG, but they said they don't have that info yet.
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My bad; last time I checked the LG site they didn't even have that information available.

I deleted my original post to not waste space.

LG's spec page:

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65EG9600-oled-4k-tv
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Its very true in the EC9700's case. The vendors did have that preorder price and in at least one case with an AVS member with best buy involved, they honored that price since the customer prepaid as well as preordered.
Yes exactly. I'm talking about significant price reduction's in the first few months, not going to happen. To reference things other people said, yes of course the price is going to go down by Black Friday, that's over six months away. The price will go down over time but it's not going to be anything significant for quite a while. I'm looking to buy in the next month or so, not waiting 6 to 12 months.
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LGs 55" 4K OLED is an odd duck doesn't that really have much of any competition. Samsung only has the step-down 55JS9000 launching at $3000 street, and among Flagship HDR/FALD LED/LCDs, Panasonics 55CX850U looks like the only other 55" offering in the class this year. No price has been leaked yet, but with Sony's top of line 55" 4K TV (55X900C) selling at an MSRP of $2500, the 55X850U is almost certain to be under $4000 if Panasonic wants to sell any of them (and will probably end up streeting closer to $3000 ).

Which brings us back to the $5000 LG 55EF9600 - I believe we will see that entry-level WOLED down under $4000 as soon as volume is available and closer to $3000 before Black Friday...
IMO the biggest competition for the 55" 4k OLED is the 55" 2k OLED.

The price difference is substantial for a dubious benefit especially at that size.
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Yes exactly. I'm talking about significant price reduction's in the first few months, not going to happen. To reference things other people said, yes of course the price is going to go down by Black Friday, that's over six months away. The price will go down over time but it's not going to be anything significant for quite a while. I'm looking to buy in the next month or so, not waiting 6 to 12 months.
So I think I see the disconnect. We don't think of it as a price drop when the price you CAN pay at a store is significantly lower than the MSRP on the manufacturers website. The example I gave you involved the EC9700 which had an MSRP price of 9,999 at the time but you could PRE-order it through vendors for $6,250-$6,500. So in a way, the price dropped almost 40% before the product was even released, BUT that's only if you consider the MSRP a decent starting point to evaluate anything, which I don't believe it is. Even the current pre-order prices for the EC9700 for 9,999 I consider to just be place holders and once any volume supports it, anticipate seeing that 6k price coming back fast to move any actual volume.

In other words, if I see a new product coming that lists MSRP of 9,000, I'm thinking its going to be 6,000 by the time it gets released, and that drop is roughly in line with how the competition (Samsung) is doing it as well (which is fafrd's point).

edit: also the Black Friday context is misleading since we aren't even sure these products will be available much before that time frame; better to think in terms of time after the product is actually available at big brand stores.
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Yes exactly. I'm talking about significant price reduction's in the first few months, not going to happen. To reference things other people said, yes of course the price is going to go down by Black Friday, that's over six months away. The price will go down over time but it's not going to be anything significant for quite a while. I'm looking to buy in the next month or so, not waiting 6 to 12 months.
Prices will come down once production ramps up. It could happen 3, 4 months from now or not until the end of the year, no one knows really. If the EG9600 releases in a similar fashion as the EC9700 then we'll know for sure that production in M2 is still behind schedule, which would mean high prices for awhile.

However, if the EG9600 launch coincides with wide availability at Amazon, Best Buy etc, I think there will indeed be significant drops from the MSRP just a few months after launch.
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Prices will come down once production ramps up. It could happen 3, 4 months from now or not until the end of the year, no one knows really. If the EG9600 releases in a similar fashion as the EC9700 then we'll know for sure that production in M2 is still behind schedule, which would mean high prices for awhile.

However, if the EG9600 launch coincides with wide availability at Amazon, Best Buy etc, I think there will indeed be significant drops from the MSRP just a few months after launch.
I was just reading a post from Robert from VE at the Blu Ray forums, he noted meeting with LG and said he expects a decent but limited supply of the eg9600's next month with better availability in the summer, so maybe you are right and we will see the prices drop in a few months, when supply picks up, at least on the curve.


Edit: Actually here is some interesting info from Robert pertaining to this discussion and his take on upcoming oled pricing

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I just read a post on AVS Forum restating my post on BD.com just above these three posts. What is being read into my post of supply increasing this summer is that prices will drop. My professional opinion is that they will not drop until LG decides to do so and I do not expect it to be this summer.

This summer's better supply will not be significant. Supply will not be abundant for several years. At this time we have two lines in South Korea producing large 4K OLED panels so a high volume of mass production will take more production lines and as more enthusiasts and high-end consumers purchase 55", 65" and larger OLED displays the supply will not be able to keep up with the expected increased demand.

My take on the pricing is that it will be stable until supply can significantly outpace demand and that's most likely two to three years away. So my best educated guess is that we'll see gradual price reductions and some infrequent LG instant rebate sales for at least the balance of 2015.

One more tidbit of information is that LG is on a mission to shut down transshipping to unauthorized dealers. I can tell you they are aggressively buying OLED TVs from unauthorized retailers to track the s/n and shut down the authorized dealers who resell to unauthorized sellers.
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Why don't you buy it here(in the same page)?
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It will save you some cash :-)
That looks like a scam site designed to force you to "create an account" so they can harvest your personal information, and they're hoping the password you use is the same as the one you use for your online banking and Paypal and Amazon accounts etc. I would not enter any information on that website.

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I was just reading a post from Robert from VE at the Blu Ray forums, he noted meeting with LG and said he expects a decent but limited supply of the eg9600's next month with better availability in the summer, so maybe you are right and we will see the prices drop in a few months, when supply picks up, at least on the curve.


Edit: Actually here is some interesting info from Robert pertaining to this discussion and his take on upcoming oled pricing
my take is that this is some one in the business of selling TVs and who has a vested interest in promoting the idea that current prices will remain stable for 'two to three years'...

We all know the problems created by deflation...
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