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post #1621 of 5758 Old 06-16-2015, 05:12 AM
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"My current setup is through a Marantz AV7702. I will be connecting all my sources through there, using ATT Uverse through an Xbox One for daily watching and a PS4 for BluRay. I will be setting up ARC on the EG9600 to provide Dolby Digital for built-in apps, 4k Netflix and Amazon in particular."

Arc sucks. Try an optical connection instead.

"Anyway, I was thinking of up-converting all sources through the Marantz to 4K(60) so from what I gathered I should be able to set the TV to Black Level High for and the Input on the TV to PC to allow for RGB-Full and 4K at 4:4:4. Is this a correct way of thinking?"

My experience is the Lg handles incoming signals best if they are source direct. Why sample twice? RGB-full and 4:4:4 are two color spaces. You can do one or the other but not both for the same source. 4:4:4 should be best but the difference between the two is minimal if you are using RGB Video. RGB PC will take your colors to a place you do not want to be. You can adjust any color space to use the high back level.

"I see conflicting information about what the OLED light, the Contrast, and the Brightness should be set to. Other settings appear to be personal but I am usually opposed to enhancement settings so I'll be starting off with DNR, Edge Enhancement, and TrueMotion settings off."

Start off with all the enhancements off and copy the standard OLED, contrast and brightness settings to Expert1.
Personally, the less messing about the better.
Forget about RGB and 4:4:4 and deffo don't use pc level (0-255) output for video sources.
Blu-ray and cable/sat all use video level (16-235), rescaling to pc levels can cause issues such as banding/poor gradation.

There has been debate as to whether the TV's black level should be high or low, that's up to you. See which you prefer.
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"My current setup is through a Marantz AV7702. I will be connecting all my sources through there, using ATT Uverse through an Xbox One for daily watching and a PS4 for BluRay. I will be setting up ARC on the EG9600 to provide Dolby Digital for built-in apps, 4k Netflix and Amazon in particular."

Arc sucks. Try an optical connection instead.
I use ARC and am very happy with it. Surprised with your comment ARC sucks. Here is an excerpt from CNET on HDMI vs optical:

The basics
Both HDMI and optical pass digital audio from one device to another. Both are better than analog (the red and white cables). Both can pass multi-channel audio, like Dolby Digital. Both cables can be had pretty cheap.

The biggest difference is that HDMI can pass higher-resolution audio, including the formats found on Blu-ray: Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio. These formats can't get transmitted across optical.
http://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-vs-opt...ection-to-use/
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"My current setup is through a Marantz AV7702. I will be connecting all my sources through there, using ATT Uverse through an Xbox One for daily watching and a PS4 for BluRay. I will be setting up ARC on the EG9600 to provide Dolby Digital for built-in apps, 4k Netflix and Amazon in particular."

Arc sucks. Try an optical connection instead.

"Anyway, I was thinking of up-converting all sources through the Marantz to 4K(60) so from what I gathered I should be able to set the TV to Black Level High for and the Input on the TV to PC to allow for RGB-Full and 4K at 4:4:4. Is this a correct way of thinking?"

My experience is the Lg handles incoming signals best if they are source direct. Why sample twice? RGB-full and 4:4:4 are two color spaces. You can do one or the other but not both for the same source. 4:4:4 should be best but the difference between the two is minimal if you are using RGB Video. RGB PC will take your colors to a place you do not want to be. You can adjust any color space to use the high back level.

"I see conflicting information about what the OLED light, the Contrast, and the Brightness should be set to. Other settings appear to be personal but I am usually opposed to enhancement settings so I'll be starting off with DNR, Edge Enhancement, and TrueMotion settings off."

Start off with all the enhancements off and copy the standard OLED, contrast and brightness settings to Expert1.

ARC works great with my Marantz 7702 (soon to be an 8802A) and 9600.

I have also tried setting the 7702 to upscale everything to 4k and it does produce a sharper image, but also a bit noisier image.

I flip between them all the time but usually end up letting the TV do all the work.

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I'm considering this TV for a recess in a chimney that's 2.9" deep. The thickness of the TV is given as just 2". Is that the total depth of the profile, including curvature? If so I should be able mount it flush.
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I'm considering this TV for a recess in a chimney that's 2.9" deep. The thickness of the TV is given as just 2". Is that the total depth of the profile, including curvature? If so I should be able mount it flush.
Verify that the heating specs aren't being exceeded in a recess mount, and if they are, you might want to put in your own micro-fan to keep the air moving.

And that, of course, is assuming that the chimney cavity itself isn't experiencing any heat on its own.
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Operating temperature is an issue. The chimney is well insulated and I live in San Diegoso I don't expect to crank the gas fire up high. If the screen doesn't protrude from the recess it won't trap the rising air and add to the heat it absorbs.
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Operating temperature is an issue. The chimney is well insulated and I live in San Diegoso I don't expect to crank the gas fire up high. If the screen doesn't protrude from the recess it won't trap the rising air and add to the heat it absorbs.
I think you meant that if the screen doesn't protrude from the recess, it *will* trap the rising air, etc.

You can also increase the height of the recess and hope it convects out, but a fan is really the right solution. You can probably easily use a small enough one that draws power directly from one of the USB ports too; You don't need the air moving quickly, but you do need it moving.
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Operating temperature is an issue. The chimney is well insulated and I live in San Diegoso I don't expect to crank the gas fire up high. If the screen doesn't protrude from the recess it won't trap the rising air and add to the heat it absorbs.
Sounds like you would be fine.....
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Interestiig video testig colours and the effect of the ABL.




In the beginning you see yellow at full screen. The oled is very limited in full screen brightness.


At minute 7:00 you can see the changing above black details, depending on the amount of white that is used in the picture.
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Without knowing his settings (at least on the video, blacks never seemed black on the OLED...so I wonder) and not speaking German, the video has limited usefulness for me at least.

Owners generally don't seem to be complaining about ABL.
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Without knowing his settings (at least on the video, blacks never seemed black on the OLED...so I wonder) and not speaking German, the video has limited usefulness for me at least.

Owners generally don't seem to be complaining about ABL.
Back when the 9800 came out, there seemed to be some complaints about it. Did this change for other models? Did it change via firmware?
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Owt 150

I finally received my free OTW 150 mount from BB, so I removed the Sanus mount I had the 65" hanging on and installed the OTW 150 yesterday.



The unit is actually a little larger than what is pictured here as it has horizontal brackets that can be removed. I mounted to masonry with the bracket.




I wish I had be more careful reading the instructions as I only skimmed them over. I would have mounted it without the bracket. This would have allowed me to raise the mount about another 1/2" in my set up due to the location of my power outlet on the wall.

I may still do that later.

Anyway, it is a pretty nifty mount and think that it is the absolute best way to get the 9600 series on the wall.

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Back when the 9800 came out, there seemed to be some complaints about it. Did this change for other models? Did it change via firmware?
The later sets used a less aggressive form of ABL. Consensus is that LG became more confident that burn-in would not occur with typical use and thus throttled back on ABL.

I know it was a 'feature' of the later sets, but I don't know if there was a firmware upgrade that addressed that for the original sets. I can't recall reading that.
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It seems as LG has reduced the overall brightness of the new 9600 series, so the ABL is still there, but not as "visible" because of the dimmer picture.


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ABL:


"This is one area where the 65EC9700 (LG's 2014 4K OLED) struggled. The EG9600 has a slightly less pronounced problem with this so-called brightness limiting because it isn't as bright, overall, as the older model; this makes ABL less pronounced."


http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
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Everything is relative Bruce. In looking at the 9600, I don't think I or anyone else (except perhaps in the brightest of sunlit rooms) would complain it isn't bright enough.

So even if that were true (reduced brightness to minimize ABL), it's fine.
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It seems as LG has reduced the overall brightness of the new 9600 series, so the ABL is still there, but not as "visible" because of the dimmer picture.


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ABL:


"This is one area where the 65EC9700 (LG's 2014 4K OLED) struggled. The EG9600 has a slightly less pronounced problem with this so-called brightness limiting because it isn't as bright, overall, as the older model; this makes ABL less pronounced."


http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
No other reviewer has reported this.

I noticed that he had the OLED light on 60 in daylight mode and lower in night.
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It seems as LG has reduced the overall brightness of the new 9600 series, so the ABL is still there, but not as "visible" because of the dimmer picture.


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ABL:
"This is one area where the 65EC9700 (LG's 2014 4K OLED) struggled. The EG9600 has a slightly less pronounced problem with this so-called brightness limiting because it isn't as bright, overall, as the older model; this makes ABL less pronounced."
http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
I don't want to burst your bubble, Bruce, but that's at least one fact which this review has evidently got wrong.

Their statement regarding brightness has already provoked an outcry, as it's established that the 9600 is actually brighter than the 9700, as stated by the likes of Robert Zohn, Steve 'Bumtious' Kemp and SillySally.

It's strange that, although ultimately incorrect, you'd choose to latch onto what you perceive as a negative about an OLED set, and promote that.

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No other reviewer has reported this.

I noticed that he had the OLED light on 60 in daylight mode and lower in night.

So the ABL was actually not that visible, because he lowered the overall contrast!?


lol ok...


What is the actual max full screen light output for the (new) 9600 lg oleds? Does anybody know or has measured themselves?
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I don't want to burst your bubble, Bruce, but that's at least one fact which this review has evidently got wrong.

Their statement regarding brightness has already provoked an outcry, as it's established that the 9600 is actually brighter than the 9700, as stated by the likes of Robert Zohn, Steve 'Bumtious' Kemp and SillySally.

It's strange that, although ultimately incorrect, you'd choose to latch onto what you perceive as a negative about an OLED set, and promote that.

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No I did not. I did write: IT SEEMS as...


Thanx for your information. It is clearly a wrong statement from the reviewer, as he clearly says that the brightness has been reduced. How should I know that it is ultimately incorrect..
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Thanx for your information. It is clearly a wrong statement from the reviewer, as he clearly says that the brightness has been reduced. How should I know that it is ultimately incorrect..
This dude Lee Neikirk is wrong all the time.
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So the ABL was actually not that visible, because he lowered the overall contrast!?


lol ok...


What is the actual max full screen light output for the (new) 9600 lg oleds? Does anybody know or has measured themselves?
Hey Bruce, if I remember the review correctly the avforums review stated it was 160 cd/m2 on a full white screen which is exceptional for an OLED.

Also HDTVtest.co.uk http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55eg9...1504224046.htm

stated 149 cd/m2 Full White Screen.

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It seems as LG has reduced the overall brightness of the new 9600 series, so the ABL is still there, but not as "visible" because of the dimmer picture.


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ABL:


"This is one area where the 65EC9700 (LG's 2014 4K OLED) struggled. The EG9600 has a slightly less pronounced problem with this so-called brightness limiting because it isn't as bright, overall, as the older model; this makes ABL less pronounced."


http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
The reviewer elaborated a little more in a reply to my comment on the review.

The 9600 is definitely the brightest OLED, by all accounts so far.
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Plasma user here, long time lurker.
Gotta say, noise (as noted by Chad I believe) was a BIG problem for me when I auditioned this display. Even in game mode, Pirates 1 had lots of noise/grain/crawl in smoky and darker scenes and such. Kinda disappointing on that front. Up-conversion artifacts?...


correction: PC Mode

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Gotta say, noise (as noted by Chad I believe) was a BIG problem for me when I auditioned this display. Even in game mode, Pirates 1 had lots of noise/grain/crawl in smoky and darker scenes and such. Kinda disappointing on that front. Up-conversion artifacts?...
I agree Zero, especially with cable tv sources. I think Samsung and not too far behind Sony is much better at hiding picture noise. LG IMO has low-tier picture processing.

OLED looks superior don't get me wrong. But in terms of pure picture processing, LG is not top-tier in my opinion.
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So the ABL was actually not that visible, because he lowered the overall contrast!?


lol ok...


What is the actual max full screen light output for the (new) 9600 lg oleds? Does anybody know or has measured themselves?
The test is actually somewhat meaningless to begin with. A solid full field with peak luminance will trigger the ABL, but no content has full field maxed out peak luminance, except for a second or two of some commercials, and certainly not for prolonged periods of time.

I've never seen normal content looking dull on the 65EG9600 next to any LCD TV.  
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Gotta say, noise (as noted by Chad I believe) was a BIG problem for me when I auditioned this display. Even in game mode, Pirates 1 had lots of noise/grain/crawl in smoky and darker scenes and such. Kinda disappointing on that front. Up-conversion artifacts?...


correction: PC Mode
Depends on what you are seeing but if it's what I think it is, it's not the TV's fault.
OLED shows up the noise is hidden by LCD's poor black level (and crushed away by local dimming)

Is this the problem-
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Depends on what you are seeing but if it's what I think it is, it's not the TV's fault.
OLED shows up the noise is hidden by LCD's poor black level (and crushed away by local dimming)

Is this the problem-




WHOA! ... no, not those crazy floating pools of black blotch or anything. Again, I'm a plasma guy - (Panny and last gen Kuro -which is not the last word in lack of grain by any means) and yet there is much less of this type of noise thru the Pioneer (NR/Off) than I kept seeing on the LG at about a 10ft viewing distance. Places where I could not even notice any at home seemed to be front and center distractions on the LG. Made me want to just pause and wait many times thru the darker scenes to get back to the 'good stuff' (which was most impressive!). As such, the experience became disjunked to me, less cohesive. If it is indeed due to upconverting it would be a most limiting detractor to me for my blu-rays and any streaming content short of 4k.


Definitely gonna have another run at it soon though (my Panny blew up!)

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That pic is from a Panny VT65 plasma, the OLED is a bit worse.

I can guarantee that it's the low quality content that's causing it.
I'm using the term Half HD to describe Sky's crappy TV service in the UK these days and I think that's being generous.

I will get in trouble for daring to call the Kuro anything other than perfect but I always felt they were missing detail in the dark areas.
Could be the dither they create, some hidden noise reduction or just a lack of subtle gradations low down.

As far as the OLED goes, it's just so good when the content is as it should be, you just have to live with it exposing the rubbish broadcasters expect us to accept.

EDIT: Just read your post again, are you saying this is the problem you are seeing?
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I don't want to burst your bubble, Bruce, but that's at least one fact which this review has evidently got wrong.

Their statement regarding brightness has already provoked an outcry, as it's established that the 9600 is actually brighter than the 9700, as stated by the likes of Robert Zohn, Steve 'Bumtious' Kemp and SillySally.

It's strange that, although ultimately incorrect, you'd choose to latch onto what you perceive as a negative about an OLED set, and promote that.

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Also confirmed by LG that one of the significant improvements of the 9600 over the 9700 was that it is 10% brighter.

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That pic is from a Panny VT65 plasma, the OLED is a bit worse.

I can guarantee that it's the low quality content that's causing it.
I'm using the term Half HD to describe Sky's crappy TV service in the UK these days and I think that's being generous.

I will get in trouble for daring to call the Kuro anything other than perfect but I always felt they were missing detail in the dark areas.
Could be the dither they create, some hidden noise reduction or just a lack of subtle gradations low down.

As far as the OLED goes, it's just so good when the content is as it should be, you just have to live with it exposing the rubbish broadcasters expect us to accept.

EDIT: Just read your post again, are you saying this is the problem you are seeing?

No... nothing like your pic. And not necessarily in the lowest gray to black stuff. Middle gray stuff in sky backgrounds, most of the first 10 minutes on board the smoky/foggy ship scenes.
Indoor bedroom stuff with the chambermaid and the Govs daughter. Most of the dungeon/jail scenes (which are indeed dark ) but not limited to just that.
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