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It would be different if, during the demos, the presenters use mostly HDR-graded footage in the final voting/evaluation stage, as opposed to BT.709-graded footage. Then we could potentially see some sort of competition. Maybe that's the plan? Hopefully, Scott's official post will clarify how the TVs will be evaluated and voted on this year.
It would be wrong not to do this. It would be like feeding a HD set a 480p source. Or not showing 4K like they did last year. A large portion should be HDR vs SDR of the same content. Just because there is currently not a lot of material is irrelevant, as soon nearly all 4K content will have HDR. If price is not a factor, than you are correct that it will be an OLED cakewalk. Especally seeing how they ignore how most display serve a multi purpose role and concentrate mostly on lights out movie viewing. Even with HDR content the OLED will do most things better, but you factor in price/size/performance than WHF can not be beat. Unfortunate with Roberts connections to Sharp that the UX30 could not make it. That anti-glare screen is a game changer for us light filled room daytime viewers.
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It would be wrong not to do this. It would be like feeding a HD set a 480p source. Or not showing 4K like they did last year. A large portion should be HDR vs SDR of the same content. Just because there is currently not a lot of material is irrelevant, as soon nearly all 4K content will have HDR. If price is not a factor, than you are correct that it will be an OLED cakewalk. Especally seeing how they ignore how most display serve a multi purpose role and concentrate mostly on lights out movie viewing. Even with HDR content the OLED will do most things better, but you factor in price/size/performance than WHF can not be beat. Unfortunate with Roberts connections to Sharp that the UX30 could not make it. That anti-glare screen is a game changer for us light filled room daytime viewers.
Hey I deleted that last post but yeah, basically I'm waiting to read Scott's official post about the shootout, to see what the plan is in terms of demo material and also voting. Then I'll revisit this topic, and perhaps make a prediction on the potential winner.

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It would be wrong not to do this. It would be like feeding a HD set a 480p source. Or not showing 4K like they did last year. A large portion should be HDR vs SDR of the same content. Just because there is currently not a lot of material is irrelevant, as soon nearly all 4K content will have HDR. If price is not a factor, than you are correct that it will be an OLED cakewalk. Especally seeing how they ignore how most display serve a multi purpose role and concentrate mostly on lights out movie viewing. Even with HDR content the OLED will do most things better, but you factor in price/size/performance than WHF can not be beat. Unfortunate with Roberts connections to Sharp that the UX30 could not make it. That anti-glare screen is a game changer for us light filled room daytime viewers.
Really? Do you have a source for this? It's certainly not what I've seen or read.
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The Panasonic doesn't support HDR until a future firmware update is performed. I'm assuming it will not be able compete if fed HDR.
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Really? Do you have a source for this? It's certainly not what I've seen or read.
I think he is referring to the announcement by FOX that all future uhd releases will be encoded with HDR.
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The Panasonic doesn't support HDR until a future firmware update is performed. I'm assuming it will not be able compete if fed HDR.
I believe the sony is the same way. The life of pi HDR clip was attempted on the sony 940c and came out washed out as it was unable to read the data.
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I think he is referring to the announcement by FOX that all future uhd releases will be encoded with HDR.
Could be, but that's a far cry from 'nearly all 4K content will have HDR'.
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Indeed, but any film based media can be regraded for HDR so I can foresee a ton of HDR content in future 4K material released either on the new BD or via streaming options such as Netflix in another 2 or 3 years. I would expect it to be rather limited for the next year or two.
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F8500 FTW! (sorry)
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I just posted an official announcement of this year's Value Electronics shootout here, including an invitation to all video enthusiasts to attend for free on Thursday, June 25. Check it out!
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interesting news.

Thanks for posting it Ken.

the Panasonic will be interesting. Hopefully they look into DSE so we can see if it shares that trait in common with the js9500.
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F8500 FTW! (sorry)
LOL, as a ZT60 owner I appreciate your comment
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LOL, as a ZT60 owner I appreciate your comment
What the hell, since there will only be 4 tv's to go head to head, let's throw in the F8500 & ZT60 to see how the new sets compare ! (Joking)

I can't wait for the shootout, should be interesting.
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I'm pretty sure the major TV manufacturers would be none too happy if a discontinued high-end plasma won (or shared) the title again.

Therefore: Plasma = banned under any circumstances.
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I'm pretty sure the major TV manufacturers would be none too happy if a discontinued high-end plasma won (or shared) the title again.

Therefore: Plasma = banned under any circumstances.
Plasma's are no longer been made. At some point one needs to stop letting them participate in Shootouts.
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Plasma's are no longer been made. At some point one needs to stop letting them participate in Shootouts.
Yes, we wouldn't want anyone to know most if not all of their current TV choices are inferior to what was available several years ago.
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Yes, we wouldn't want anyone to know most if not all of their current TV choices are inferior to what was available several years ago.
That is what we on these forums are for, to remind folks..
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I'm trying to understand what good it would even be if we were to find out that TVs that are no longer produced were somehow 'better' than those in current production. Can we go back in time and buy those outdated displays?

In my case there's no mystery, the highly respected F8500 is what I currently watch and it's no match for the 4K OLEDs.
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I'm trying to understand what good it would even be if we were to find out that TVs that are no longer produced were somehow 'better' than those in current production. Can we go back in time and buy those outdated displays?
And when you have bought the 4K OLED you will sell the ''outdated'' ''can we go back in time and buy those outdated displays'' Plasma you own..so one does not need a timetravel machine to buy such a TV.
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In my case there's no mystery, the highly respected F8500 is what I currently watch and it's no match for the 4K OLEDs.
It is also no mystery that your Plasma will outperform any LCd ever made..that is what the post you responded to was more or less about.
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And when you have bought the 4K OLED you will sell the ''outdated'' ''can we go back in time and buy those outdated displays'' Plasma you own..so one does not need a timetravel machine to buy such a TV.
For a variety of reasons, not everyone wants to buy used displays.
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It is also no mystery that your Plasma will outperform any LCd ever made..that is what the post you responded to was more or less about.
While I agree that the F8500 will outperform most LCDs, I was actually responding to the general nature of quite a few posts, not any one specifically. There were posts not specific as to the type of display, so in that context my comment was perfectly applicable.
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For a variety of reasons, not everyone wants to buy used displays.
Once folks become aware of the poor quality control they probably do not want to buy a ''new'' TV either

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the F8500 will outperform most LCDs,
The F8500 will outperform all LCd's, and so will the VT60/ZT60 and 9G Pioneer Plasma's. You probably have forgotten that the F8500 won last years Shootout..and the Sharp Elite Pro did not win the second time it participated in the Shootout either. So which LCd's will outperform the top Plasma's??
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I was actually responding to the general nature of quite a few posts, not any one specifically. There were posts not specific as to the type of display, so in that context my comment was perfectly applicable.
You are making things up here. The nature of the posts was Plasma vs. LCd.
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Once folks become aware of the poor quality control they probably do not want to buy a ''new'' TV either
Well that's kind of a sweeping generalization. However, QC issues are nothing new and we've had them even with...wait for it...Kuros. Some builds coming off the line were better than others and had less issues. Nothing new.

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The F8500 will outperform all LCd's, and so will the VT60/ZT60 and 9G Pioneer Plasma's. You probably have forgotten that the F8500 won last years Shootout..and the Sharp Elite Pro did not win the second time it participated in the Shootout either. So which LCd's will outperform the top Plasma's??

You are making things up here. The nature of the posts was Plasma vs. LCd.
No, the nature of some of these posts were not plasma vs LCD. They were a generic 'present displays' vs 'past displays'. It's you who are making things up.

I'm making no claims about which LCDs (if any) will outperform which plasmas for a very simple reason, I have yet to see displays like the FALD Samsungs, ISF calibrated. It's utterly foolish to make sweeping generalizations about one display vs another when one or both haven't been calibrated. But hey, have it.
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Well that's kind of a sweeping generalization. However, QC issues are nothing new and we've had them even with...wait for it...Kuros. Some builds coming off the line were better than others and had less issues. Nothing new.
There are lots of problems with LCd's. And according D-Nice there are lots of problems with OLED TVs. That is what i was talking about. Nothing new like you say.

No sweeping generalisation. When you buy a used TV you often have the opportunity to do a thorough check. When you want a new TV you often are forced to buy a boxed one. So buying a used TV is not a bad idea at all..
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No, the nature of some of these posts were not plasma vs LCD. They were a generic 'present displays' vs 'past displays'. It's you who are making things up.
Lets face it, ''the nature of some posts'' could be spinned into anything one wants it to be so lets stick with comments that actually make a ''current TV choices are inferior to what was available years ago'' statement. The only post which makes a ''current TV choices are inferior to what was available several years ago'' claim is post #46..
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^ Believe what you like, I'm really tired of this nitpicking.

Can we move on to some useful discussion? This was a shootout thread, wasn't it? The shootout is what it is. If you don't like it, unsubscribe.
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2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 Plasma tv have won the shootout.


Only exception was 2011 with the sharp Elite Pro 60X5FD although it had very low color points.


That particular sharp lcd model and the LG 55 LX9500 (2010 3. place) were the only lcds that reached any top 3 results in the last 7 years.


Well, ok 2014 there was a Sony lcd on 3. place, because they had just one Samsung Plasma in the competition . ;-) You all know the story..
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^ Yes, but that was then and now is now.
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^ Believe what you like, I'm really tired of this nitpicking.

Can we move on to some useful discussion? This was a shootout thread, wasn't it? The shootout is what it is. If you don't like it, unsubscribe.
It was you who turned this thread into a imaginary OLED attack protection thread. You should unsubscibe yourself
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Indeed, but any film based media can be regraded for HDR so I can foresee a ton of HDR content in future 4K material released either on the new BD or via streaming options such as Netflix in another 2 or 3 years. I would expect it to be rather limited for the next year or two.
According to one of the movie studio tech execs, speaking at the recent NAB show, film based movies to do not fair well when attempting to remaster for HDR as imperfections in the film (grain, dust, scratches) are exaggerated.

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The last thing we'd want to do here is have a lengthy discussion about TVs you can no longer buy new... I mean imagine if the forums spent 5 years talking about some plasma that was no longer made and how great it was and how it was better than everything you could buy...

We would never, ever want that here, right?

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