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Yes, but they still advise turning motion smoothing on; I still feel judder is fixed by shutting everything off.
Is Motion Smoothing the same as the TruMotion setting because I did their settings and the screens show TruMotion is set to off.

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Gamma settings in the EF9500, 2.2, 2.4 BT.1886
Firmware is .75
Screen shots are 21 measuered points Grayscale.
As you can see 2.2 and 2.4 Gamma settings are pretty good, BT.1886 is not very good.
Thanks ss. 1886 has not been fixed.

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On this tv, gamma 2.4 and bt.1886 equate to about the same thing. Bt.1886 is the standard gamma tracking when absolute black can't be reached such in the case of led televisions. Since OLED reaches absolute black, the tracking on bt.1886 tracks very near to 2.4
Thanks, what I actually meant was I didn't know what gamma 2.4 and bt.1886 is which I will need to actually research on my own spare time.

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My 601 build came pre installed with 04.20.46 firmware. When I check for an update it says there is none. Is this the latest firmware? I keep hearing about .75.
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My 601 build came pre installed with 04.20.46 firmware. When I check for an update it says there is none. Is this the latest firmware? I keep hearing about .75.
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The 9500 initially had a list price of $6999 at BB. Within 10 days it was down to $5999, then dropped to $4999, and then it came with a free tv.
Here's the problem guys. the EF9500 IS the top line OLED for 2015. In 2016, they are taking a diff strategy with making "premium" tvs. Therefore, there is not nearly as much room to drop prices (especially for those two) like you've seen in the past as their approach is diff. In the event they did, it would devalue the B and C so much, they would be hemoraging money. My point is they exclusively locked in something as simple as flat with 3d to their ultra premium two which is just a bad move for customers.

If I'm a buyer on the edge right now, I would really think about jumping in especially with these 610 panels as the price is the best it's going to get (LG doesn't have stock lingering - they will sell out and then move to 2016) and you're getting flat and 3d.

also - as an outsider to this HDR thing after finally seeing it on my tv, I can tell you that it's nice but jesus the tv looks so good that it's not even close to being a deal breaker (re: Dolby Vision or owners of 9600 worried about HDMI) as the non HDR content looks just as good. We're REALLY starting to split hairs - I mean REALLY. Although it might sound like I'm working for Chris - if I was thinking about 4k, 65 and OLED I would call him and lock in the price if/when stock comes back in.
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Still no word on what .75 changes?
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Here's the problem guys. the EF9500 IS the top line OLED for 2015. In 2016, they are taking a diff strategy with making "premium" tvs. Therefore, there is not nearly as much room to drop prices (especially for those two) like you've seen in the past as their approach is diff. In the event they did, it would devalue the B and C so much, they would be hemoraging money. My point is they exclusively locked in something as simple as flat with 3d to their ultra premium two which is just a bad move for customers.

If I'm a buyer on the edge right now, I would really think about jumping in especially with these 610 panels as the price is the best it's going to get (LG doesn't have stock lingering - they will sell out and then move to 2016) and you're getting flat and 3d.

also - as an outsider to this HDR thing after finally seeing it on my tv, I can tell you that it's nice but jesus the tv looks so good that it's not even close to being a deal breaker (re: Dolby Vision or owners of 9600 worried about HDMI) as the non HDR content looks just as good. We're REALLY starting to split hairs - I mean REALLY. Although it might sound like I'm working for Chris - if I was thinking about 4k, 65 and OLED I would call him and lock in the price if/when stock comes back in.
Delt31- There is a ZERO percent chance that 4,999 is the bottom retail price for the EF9500... The fact that they make premium models for 2016 doesn't restrict the bottom price of any TV. Also, if they ask 10,000 for a TV and it Costs 2,000 to produce doesn't mean they're Hemorrhaging money when they lower it to 5,000.. Sorry but I just completely disagree.
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Delt31- There is a ZERO percent chance that 4,999 is the bottom retail price for the EF9500... The fact that they make premium models for 2016 doesn't restrict the bottom price of any TV. Also, if they ask 10,000 for a TV and it Costs 2,000 to produce doesn't mean they're Hemorrhaging money when they lower it to 5,000.. Sorry but I just completely disagree.
4999 is def not the bottom retail price for the 9500. I know I didn't pay that for mine! I also can't predict prices so just my opinion.

My main point is the staggering approach is diff than this year. If you expect the G or E to drop to 4k-4.5k, you're dreaming (as that would put B and C into the 2/3 range!) however 4k to 4.5k is what a flat/3d 65 OLED costs right now.

They are essentially forcing customers to spend more for flat 3d which is just a bad move.
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4999 is def not the bottom retail price for the 9500. I know I didn't pay that for mine! I also can't predict prices so just my opinion.

My main point is the staggering approach is diff than this year. If you expect the G or E to drop to 4k-4.5k, you're dreaming (as that would put B and C into the 2/3 range!) however 4k to 4.5k is what a flat/3d 65 OLED costs right now.

They are essentially forcing customers to spend more for flat 3d which is just a bad move.
My apologies, I interpreted your message differently. And, yes hopefully you didnt pay 4,999 chris at CP has much better deals. I agree the move to cut out 3-D is bad on the lower end, it sucks unless it works out to make for a better PQ like buzz suggested.
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My apologies, I interpreted your message differently. And, yes hopefully you didnt pay 4,999 chris at CP has much better deals. I agree the move to cut out 3-D is bad on the lower end, it sucks unless it works out to make for a better PQ like buzz suggested.
NP! I think some folks might think that the 2015 model will be discounted heavily due to the 2016 models but the fact of the matter is that LG doesn't have leftover stock to discount. I was somewhat of a non believe of this but I just got my EF9500 yesterday and the manf date was Jan! When do you buy a TV that was literally made the same month? Point is the supply is low and likely due to cost reasons - so it's not like prices will drop to get rid of it. They'll phase out at current price and 2016 jumps in.
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NP! I think some folks might think that the 2015 model will be discounted heavily due to the 2016 models but the fact of the matter is that LG doesn't have leftover stock to discount. I was somewhat of a non believe of this but I just got my EF9500 yesterday and the manf date was Jan! When do you buy a TV that was literally made the same month? Point is the supply is low and likely due to cost reasons - so it's not like prices will drop to get rid of it. They'll phase out at current price and 2016 jumps in.
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NP! I think some folks might think that the 2015 model will be discounted heavily due to the 2016 models but the fact of the matter is that LG doesn't have leftover stock to discount. I was somewhat of a non believe of this but I just got my EF9500 yesterday and the manf date was Jan! When do you buy a TV that was literally made the same month? Point is the supply is low and likely due to cost reasons - so it's not like prices will drop to get rid of it. They'll phase out at current price and 2016 jumps in.
Also agreed, that type of production to living room time frame is unheard of... Also, I haven't noticed maybe you already covered this... How is your white slides and gray scales? I returned my set because of the yellow blotches on the white slides..Have you noticed anything?
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That's a big center speaker. Wonder if it will support the weight of the TV.
It is a Klipsch RC64II and it would support it. I figure though, if I am getting that modern looking OLED, might as well make a custom stained riser.

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Download it from the LG site > Support
A few observations and questions:
-i have a 65' 511 build that is a keeper for sure....as mentioned by many several times the feed is the key....i have only watched DTV, some regular DVD (i am waiting for this spring's hdr capable brays), and some children's animation that is filmed in Animaccord via you tube that is absolutely stunning and almost 3d like
:i did watch on HBO HD American sniper and the scene with dust storm after the sniper team was attacked in the building was reduced to a bunch of pixels....especially when our hero was left behind and running back to the vehicle....once they panned back to the dead opposition sniper on the rooftop all was normal
has anyone else noticed this impact and am curious if it's just the DTV feed or the EF9500 having issues?
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-upon installation i immediately updated to .60 and used 10k's calibration numbers for both sets of reference points
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:i did watch on HBO HD American sniper and the scene with dust storm after the sniper team was attacked in the building was reduced to a bunch of pixels....especially when our hero was left behind and running back to the vehicle....once they panned back to the dead opposition sniper on the rooftop all was normal
That blowing sand is a nightmare for video compression so it's completely normal and may even be on HBO's end rather than DirecTV or DISH.
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Still no word on what .75 changes?
No official list, but according to rtings.com it fixed the judder problems.
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Thank you very much for checking!...It's because I have my TV set on the mantle of the fireplace so my eye level is several inches below the bottom frame of the TV. With this set-up, I have to stand to watch 3D to get no crosstalk. I am planning to buy a TV stand tomorrow and will rearrange my living room accordingly. Once I have everything set up tomorrow, I am most likely going to enjoy and keep this set.
I know you might not have a choice but most above mantle fireplace options for TVs are way, way too high for any kind of prolonged or reference type viewing.

I would say that OLED is a good option for it though since you will likely be off angle so much.

Can you tilt it down at all?
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SYFY's The Expanse is eye candy on this tv. Amazing, even when it's compressed. Perfect blacks. Space scenes are amazing.
You know, I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it! I don't see any of the "near black" issues I see on (some) network TV. This has got to be the best looking/produced cable show in years.
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I know you might not have a choice but most above mantle fireplace options for TVs are way, way too high for any kind of prolonged or reference type viewing.

I would say that OLED is a good option for it though since you will likely be off angle so much.

Can you tilt it down at all?
There is a flat surface about a foot higher since part of the brick fireplace extends out next to the wall. I am going to get a TV stand tomorrow and rearrange the room.
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Gamma settings in the EF9500, 2.2, 2.4 BT.1886
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Oled Light 39
Contrast 74
Brightness 51
Color 53
All Grayscale and CMS controls are default.
All enhancements off.
Firmware is .75

Screen shots are 21 measuered points Grayscale.
As you can see 2.2 and 2.4 Gamma settings are pretty good, BT.1886 is not very good.

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I thought 0.60 did wonders for the picture quality and judder issues. I'm quite pleased. I use 2.2 with 0.60. Now that you have .75 on your TV. Would you update to .75 from .60?

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Delt31- There is a ZERO percent chance that 4,999 is the bottom retail price for the EF9500....
With this exact model, with the current issues of LG not even getting close to meeting the supply demand I can tell you retail will not fall below $4999. The next models, probably will go lower if they can meet supply demands and that's a big if.
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Gamma settings in the EF9500, 2.2, 2.4 BT.1886
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Oled Light 39
Contrast 74
Brightness 51
Color 53
All Grayscale and CMS controls are default.
All enhancements off.
Firmware is .75

Screen shots are 21 measuered points Grayscale.
As you can see 2.2 and 2.4 Gamma settings are pretty good, BT.1886 is not very good.

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I am running defaults with 2.4. Should I adjust any of the 2 points? If so what would you recommend?
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Can confirm that judder is no more. Some of the wide panning landscape shots in Sicario used to be unwatchable. But now with Tru Motion off, and Real Cinema enabled, I get the motion that one would come to expect from film. I really can't stress enough how much better it looks. Bravo LG.
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Real cinema on with blu Ray or general viewing content ?
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Yes with Blu Ray. Didn't test cable yet.
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Using Spears and Munsil 2nd edition motion test, the tv still fails the 24p motion test with FW .75 and real cinema on. Every tv I have ever owned has failed that test. Turning trumotion on and setting to 4/10 eliminates all the judder, but begins to create a SOE. There should be some judder with 24p material, as that is natural. But you are right, .75 did fix the really bad judder. With Real Cinema on, it now looks as good as my previous plasma tv's and as good as the Sony 940C which I had for a month. As far as regular tv, I turn off Real Cinema and TruMotion. When either are on, it seems to create more issues, than with them both set to off.
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Using Spears and Munsil 2nd edition motion test, the tv still fails the 24p motion test with FW .75 and real cinema on. Every tv I have ever owned has failed that test. Turning trumotion on and setting to 4/10 eliminates all the judder, but begins to create a SOE. There should be some judder with 24p material, as that is natural. But you are right, .75 did fix the really bad judder. With Real Cinema on, it now looks as good as my previous plasma tv's and as good as the Sony 940C which I had for a month. As far as regular tv, I turn off Real Cinema and TruMotion. When either are on, it seems to create more issues, than with them both set to off.
Judder is different from choppyness from low framerate though. 24p will always be a little choppy, but judder is when the display refresh rate doesnt evenly divide into the source material frame rate. Its easiest to see in slow pans where there will be a constant rate of motion, but every few frames/seconds the motion will hitch or stutter. For example, frames ABCDEFG would display for 3 frames, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3, 4.

OLED exacerbates low fps choppyness due to sample and hold display. If LG ever implemented black frame insertion that would go along way towards getting rid of 24fps chop/blur without introducing SOE.

FWIW I find dejudder at 2 or 3 to be best, although even 3 starts to introduce noticeable SOE. For me 4 looks pretty ugly.

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http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/24p
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Using Spears and Munsil 2nd edition motion test, the tv still fails the 24p motion test with FW .75 and real cinema on. Every tv I have ever owned has failed that test. Turning trumotion on and setting to 4/10 eliminates all the judder, but begins to create a SOE. There should be some judder with 24p material, as that is natural. But you are right, .75 did fix the really bad judder. With Real Cinema on, it now looks as good as my previous plasma tv's and as good as the Sony 940C which I had for a month. As far as regular tv, I turn off Real Cinema and TruMotion. When either are on, it seems to create more issues, than with them both set to off.
I can back you up on that. Mine also still fails the Spears motion tests, however it is clearly night and day better now.
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