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What suggestions would you guys have for separate Ultra Blu-ray specific settings? My plan is to keep my current TV/Cable settings on ISF1 and create Ultra BLu-ray settings under ISF2. I assume I should turn on things like Deep Color and Real Cinema for the UHD Blu-ray settings?
That's correct. With UHD, you will need to turn Deep color on. With HDR, I would bet OLED light and Contrast will be greyed out and maxed out to be able to reach the 500 nit level, but you will be able to adjust color, brightness, etc. You may also need to set dynamic contrast to medium, and set color gamut to wide instead of standard. Here is a link to an HDR10 vid that you can put on usb. It looks rather dull, until you set dynamic contrast to medium.

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That's correct. With UHD, you will need to turn Deep color on. With HDR, I would bet OLED light and Contrast will be greyed out and maxed out to be able to reach the 500 nit level, but you will be able to adjust color, brightness, etc. You may also need to set dynamic contrast to medium, and set color gamut to wide instead of standard. Here is a link to an HDR10 vid that you can put on usb. It looks rather dull, until you set dynamic contrast to medium.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post40982730
Thanks for the info! I'll check out the video.

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Can anyone confirm how much the 65EF9500 mounted on the proprietary OTW150 mount can swing or angle to the side? I know it's not a lot, and a little tricky to quantify. Maybe a dimension from the back wall to the front corner of the tv that sticks out the most when it's at it's maximum angle towards the side (assuming the other corner of the tv will almost be touching the wall at that point)?

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Higher vs Lower contrast

I have seen several different posters settings and find it very interesting how some people calibrate in such different ways. 10k used a contrast ratio of 90 with 2.4 Gamma. SillySally used a contrast ratio of 70 with 2.4 Gamma. Both used an OLED light in the low 50s. I find it interesting that two different calibrations can have such different results. Is one a preference over the other? I am using a 78 contrast and OLED light of 60 because I have a bright living room. I find the higher contrast messes up blacks, but have no facts or calibration to back that up. Can anyone expand on different contrast ratios and what it does to dark greys/ blacks on the 65ef9500?
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I have seen several different posters settings and find it very interesting how some people calibrate in such different ways. 10k used a contrast ratio of 90 with 2.4 Gamma. SillySally used a contrast ratio of 70 with 2.4 Gamma. Both used an OLED light in the low 50s. I find it interesting that two different calibrations can have such different results. Is one a preference over the other? I am using a 78 contrast and OLED light of 60 because I have a bright living room. I find the higher contrast messes up blacks, but have no facts or calibration to back that up. Can anyone expand on different contrast ratios and what it does to dark greys/ blacks on the 65ef9500?
I do think that the color luminance tracking is a little better with a higher contrast setting, but my 90 contrast is mainly left over from the earlier version of the firmware where the 20pt white balance controls were offset/broken if you used lower contrast. I don't think it matter much either way if you are doing a 20pt calibration, as long as you arent clipping whites or colors.

Having OLED at a lower setting might make the ABL dimming a little less aggressive.
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NP! I think some folks might think that the 2015 model will be discounted heavily due to the 2016 models but the fact of the matter is that LG doesn't have leftover stock to discount. I was somewhat of a non believe of this but I just got my EF9500 yesterday and the manf date was Jan! When do you buy a TV that was literally made the same month? Point is the supply is low and likely due to cost reasons - so it's not like prices will drop to get rid of it. They'll phase out at current price and 2016 jumps in.
That really depends on the locale. There's still a November build available locally, though the town has a population of <80k so that could be the reason in part. I ordered in October but didn't get my panel (an October build) until the following month, etc., which points to the evidence of constrained supply.

I'm not too concerned about the pricing of the premium flats (I don't really like the soundbar, however). I'm not real happy about the near-black banding on my set, so trading up to one of the premiums won't be too much of a hardship based on the preorder pricing we're already seeing. I predict this means the E6 can be had out the gate for no more than $6k with room for further movement downward by the end of the year. It's imperative they keep even their highest end sets in ballpark range of high-end LCD (Vizio Reference is $6k) if they have any hope of reaching their 1 million sales target this year.
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Got a mystery for you guys.
I decided to update to 4.20.75, so downloaded it and placed the "epk" file in an "LG_DTV" directory on a USB stick.
I click the "Install" message, go over to "about" to watch it update...and it stops in the middle with the message "cannot update".
It's about a 713 Meg file, right?
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Got a mystery for you guys.
I decided to update to 4.20.75, so downloaded it and placed the "epk" file in an "LG_DTV" directory on a USB stick.
I click the "Install" message, go over to "about" to watch it update...and it stops in the middle with the message "cannot update".
It's about a 713 Meg file, right?
Any ideas?
713, 513 KB - this is size of my file and it worked just fine so don't know what to tell you? Nothing happened at first so had to turn the TV off and then back on and when I turned it back on, it started the update once it detected the file.

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With this exact model, with the current issues of LG not even getting close to meeting the supply demand I can tell you retail will not fall below $4999. The next models, probably will go lower if they can meet supply demands and that's a big if.
That's my mistake for assuming there was plenty of supply to come.. Understood

Also good news just in general that these are moving and its clear the public once educated is on board with OLED vs LCD

I'd love to know how they're doing in regard to market share at that price point with other premium sets...hopefully killing it.
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713, 513 KB - this is size of my file and it worked just fine so don't know what to tell you? Nothing happened at first so had to turn the TV off and then back on and when I turned it back on, it started the update once it detected the file.
Power-cycling did the trick! It went through the same prompts, etc. after power-up, but finished the install (instead of failing in the middle). It didn't reset my picture settings either, but I'm going to go try out @sillysally new .75 settings.
I don't know why they don't say anything about power-cycling in the installation instructions...

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Power-cycling did the trick! It went through the same prompts, etc. after power-up, but finished the install (instead of failing in the middle). It didn't reset my picture settings either, but I'm going to go try out @sillysally new .75 settings.
I don't know why they don't say anything about power-cycling in the installation instructions...
Perhaps it depends on what revision you are updating from. I updated from the last version available on the LG US website and I did not have to power cycle to get the new update to install.
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As far as regular tv, I turn off Real Cinema and TruMotion. When either are on, it seems to create more issues, than with them both set to off.
I don't know about with test discs, but when watching any real 24p content off DVD or Blu-ray, I still prefer the picture with all motion assist settings off; to me Real Cinema just introduces artifacts and with everything off it looks very plasma-like.
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That really depends on the locale. There's still a November build available locally, though the town has a population of <80k so that could be the reason in part. I ordered in October but didn't get my panel (an October build) until the following month, etc., which points to the evidence of constrained supply.

I'm not too concerned about the pricing of the premium flats (I don't really like the soundbar, however). I'm not real happy about the near-black banding on my set, so trading up to one of the premiums won't be too much of a hardship based on the preorder pricing we're already seeing. I predict this means the E6 can be had out the gate for no more than $6k with room for further movement downward by the end of the year. It's imperative they keep even their highest end sets in ballpark range of high-end LCD (Vizio Reference is $6k) if they have any hope of reaching their 1 million sales target this year.
So I spoke too soon. The recent $5000 price tag and the box available at the front of the store must have sold another. They now have a January 2016 build available in this town of under 80k with only a single Best Buy, so that is kind of impressive. I guess this price point is still attracting some high-end buyers. I'm sure the Best Buy commercial last weekend during the NFL games didn't hurt matters.
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So I spoke too soon. The recent $5000 price tag and the box available at the front of the store must have sold another. They now have a January 2016 build available in this town of under 80k with only a single Best Buy, so that is kind of impressive. I guess this price point is still attracting some high-end buyers. I'm sure the Best Buy commercial last weekend during the NFL games didn't hurt matters.
any consensus on if the new firmware helps with banding on near dark content?
LG wants to swap my panel.
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any consensus on if the new firmware helps with banding on near dark content?
LG wants to swap my panel.
New FW has no impact on banding on near black content. Take the panel swap.
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any consensus on if the new firmware helps with banding on near dark content?
LG wants to swap my panel.

What issue are they swapping it for? Because you can swap it a 100 times and still will have banding in near black content as is on all current OLEDs
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Thanks ss. 1886 has not been fixed.
I do however make and use 3DLUT BT.1886, but use the 2.4 setting in are EF9500's.
Lightspace does a nice job for BT.1886 calibration installed in a Lumagen 2041 (9x3).
I have a Lumagen Pro 4444 coming today so I am running a 21x3 profile to have ready for Lightspace to upload my 2.23, 2.36 and BT.1886 3DLUTs to the 4444.

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I thought 0.60 did wonders for the picture quality and judder issues. I'm quite pleased. I use 2.2 with 0.60. Now that you have .75 on your TV. Would you update to .75 from .60?
I didn't have the .60 firmware, I stayed with the USA versions (.08). So I don't know if there is any difference between .60 and .75.

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I am running defaults with 2.4. Should I adjust any of the 2 points? If so what would you recommend?
There is very little need to adjust High and Low RGB, using RGB High I just adjusted Blue up +2 to give me a spot on white point (dE 2000 of .17). Using the other settings I use for my 2.2, 2.4 and BT.1886 charts, that's about all you have to do.

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What issue are they swapping it for? Because you can swap it a 100 times and still will have banding in near black content as is on all current OLEDs
But some are worse than others.
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Power-cycling did the trick! It went through the same prompts, etc. after power-up, but finished the install (instead of failing in the middle). It didn't reset my picture settings either, but I'm going to go try out @sillysally new .75 settings.
I don't know why they don't say anything about power-cycling in the installation instructions...
Can you point me to those sillysally .75 settings? I can't seem to find them.

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With this exact model, with the current issues of LG not even getting close to meeting the supply demand I can tell you retail will not fall below $4999. The next models, probably will go lower if they can meet supply demands and that's a big if.
The next model release date is still up in the air so my guess is the new 2016 sets will first hit the stores around the June / July timeframe with not all models being available at the same time.

So with that said I suspect the EF9500 will be in high demand as the waiters will always wait and the buyers will always buy what's is out now regardless of whats next etc.

I highly doubt the 2016 release of sets will be so far advanced over the current set that it will make one want to sell the 2015 model for a 2016 model etc.

I have had the set for six months and when the new ones are released it will be close to a year so all in all I am very satisfied with the 2015 model. I

Question will be if the EF9500 / EG9600 will be discontinued and replaced with the new sets?

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Hey wxman, have a question for you? What HDMI cable are you using between the Oppo BDP-103D and the 65EF9500? Are you using the cable that came with the BDP-103D or did you use something else?

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What issue are they swapping it for? Because you can swap it a 100 times and still will have banding in near black content as is on all current OLEDs
I notice it in content all the time. Very frustrating because other wise it's excellent. http://grambo.org/files/IMG_4011.JPG
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I dont notice banding on content, but I do notice it on the Netflix opening black screen. I wish there was a fix with calibration but there doesnt seem to be.
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I dont notice banding on content, but I do notice it on the Netflix opening black screen. I wish there was a fix with calibration but there doesnt seem to be.
Yeah it comes through in loading screens all over the place but im not so worried about that. Tomorrowland had a few scenes where it was super noticeable, when she was riding her bike at night. A few dozen other places that i've seen it too.

Well hopefully the panel swap helps!
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That's correct. With UHD, you will need to turn Deep color on. With HDR, I would bet OLED light and Contrast will be greyed out and maxed out to be able to reach the 500 nit level, but you will be able to adjust color, brightness, etc. You may also need to set dynamic contrast to medium, and set color gamut to wide instead of standard. Here is a link to an HDR10 vid that you can put on usb. It looks rather dull, until you set dynamic contrast to medium.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post40982730

I have to say I threw this in my USB port and was blown away. I installed the .75 firmware last night and in the standard mode I adjusted the judder/deblur to 2/10 and the dynamic contrast to medium.
I am using expert 1 settings from a previous set of numbers provided here.


While Im watching this in a daytime lighted room with some windows open toggling between standard and expert1 I have to say the standard looks better. I know its brighter and at night with lowered lighting its probably too bright in standard.

Im waiting to see what the new UHD discs look like on the player on HDMI 2 and like its ben mentioned will set up expert2 for the best image.
I need to preorder the Martian I guess as well since I already preordered the player.
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Hey wxman, have a question for you? What HDMI cable are you using between the Oppo BDP-103D and the 65EF9500? Are you using the cable that came with the BDP-103D or did you use something else?
I have a monoprice 18 Gbps redmere cable. Any cable will do with a standard blu ray player. Using the redmere with the OPPO until my Samsung UHD player comes in.

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I have a monoprice 18 Gbps redmere cable. Any cable will do with a standard blu ray player. Using the redmere with the OPPO until my Samsung UHD player comes in.

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13591
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Unless something comes up out of my control, I plan on joining the EF9500 Club within a few weeks. I was agonizing over choosing between the 9500 and the Samsung JS9000, but I've had enough guys tell me that the choice is easy and OLED is the way to go, I'm going for it. Can't wait!
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Unless something comes up out of my control, I plan on joining the EF9500 Club within a few weeks. I was agonizing over choosing between the 9500 and the Samsung JS9000, but I've had enough guys tell me that the choice is easy and OLED is the way to go, I'm going for it. Can't wait!
I saw the LED right next to the OLED at the store before buying and you would definitely see the difference if you go and do the same.

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