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I would set the oppo to do source direct so just the tv is doing the processing. Even though the oppo has the ability to upscale, when the oppo first came out, 4K wasn't really a defined thing, so the newer 4K scaler in the tv is probably better, that's just my logic, not necessarily fact. I have the same oppo but just got the Samsung 4K player so now the oppo is in the bedroom replacing a 6 year old blu Ray player
Thanks, wjboshart. I setup the Oppo to source direct but when I play a disc, I press info and it shows 1080p. Is that normal? I would have expected it to show 2160. It does show 2160 when I change the Oppo to upscale.
Yes. It's reporting what the signal res is.. thr tv will up convert anything under 4k to 4k regardless.. it's a 4k screen.
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Anyone have an idea how to defeat or stop this HDR signal being triggered by the new Dish Hopper 3 to the OLED? Im starting to get pissed and nothing I can do will stop it. The fact they wont let you turn off HDR burns my ass too.

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I'm the proud owner of an 55EF9500 since last month. This is an awesome display to say the least. I've been buying Samsung 8000 series displays for the last 3 or 4 years and I thought they were great, but the OLED is simply WOW!

Can anyone describe in detail what the different settings on the "energy saver" exactly do to the OLED light levels? I realize it varies OLED light intensity, but there is low, medium, high & auto available. Do all these setting simply reduce OLED light or do they all work in conjunction with an ambient light sensor? What's the difference between the auto setting & the high setting? They both seem to reduce OLED light levels dramatically. I'm familiar with Samsung's scheme of setting the minimum backlight level on their energy saver function which I find quite useful to automatically adjust for bright or dark room conditions, not for the supposed "energy saving" aspects of such.

Any detailed explanation of how this feature controls the display would be most helpful.
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OK, work around for Dish Hopper 3 users and the HDR problem...

Set resolution to 720p instead of 1080/4k. Go to settings and diagnostics and tell it to reboot. Once you do that unplug the HDMI for about 5 minutes and let it reboot. Once you plug the HDMI back in HDR is no more.

Bad - everything 1080i is being put down to 720p. Also may have to do this every day...
Good - its likely to make little difference if any and I am not looking at a screen that is similar to 100 contrast and 100 oled light

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It doesn't revert it to default it actually keeps the setting. So for instance 20pt will be locked meaning you cannot change to 2pt to access high or low, and vice versa if you are on 2pt you cannot choose 20pt to access 5-100 ire when HDR turns on. but whatever you are on, say 20pt you can choose between the different ire points 5-100 and adjust the S, T, and L. So yes you can view the settings and you can adjust them.

The TV does not convert you to Wide color space at least in the menu. It still says standard if thats what you had originally selected. I can try and test to see what it is actually displaying but without having test patterns in HDR to measure the color space it would be tough to see exactly what it's giving you. I have wide color off on Auto for the player.

As for the deep color mode on the player I keep that as off because from what users have posted so far, off is 10bit so I left it off.

Going to test some more later after I clean the house some and give dog a bath
Thanks for the input. I would imagine we'd want wide color set to on for the set during HDR playback - since off displays rec709. But like you said, without test patterns it's hard to say for sure that it doesn't display whatever gamut it is given even when off. Maybe someone with 3D Lut equipment or a meter could answer that.

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The Samung is overall cleaner and up scales better. Cleaner edges, less noise. Though this started to get me thinking and I looked at several scenes over and over. I'm almost thinking that the Samsung has some sort of noise reduction taking place that cannot be turned off, as well as some possible edge enhancement.
Thanks for flagging, I'll be sending mine back for the Panasonic if that turns out to be the case. Most Samsung HD BD players I've looked at have had undefeatable NR so I'm not too surprised.

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OK, so I was still wrong, and setting the H3 to 720p introduces PQ issues, 1080/4k is much better.

After about 2 hours of mucking with things, its simple.

If HDR is triggered by the Hopper 3 when you turn on to watch:

Restart Hopper
Unplug HDMI for 5 minutes or so until H3 is rebooted and back on live tv
Plug in HDMI

Done. I submitted to Dish thru their tech support team, so hopefully this wont go on forever.


On another note, Im super impressed with this filter. Watching tv right now with blinds open on 3 different windows and this thing doesnt even seem to be phased. What is the make up of a OLED panel?

I know plasma was a few pcs of glass and a filter applied for reflection, just curious exactly what this 1/4" panel consists of.

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FYI, and I think someone else did this, I ran the 10 bit Spears and Munsil Quantazation test and the 9500 has a nice smooth result for 10 bit, which it should.
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LG 55EF9500 and 65EF9500 OLED Owners Thread

I just upgraded to the Yamaha 3050 receiver which supports Atmos

Im now trying to figure out the best way to get best quality picture on the lg oled and sound (including atmos) through the receiver



main content: Netflix, Amazon prime, downloaded blu-ray, Comcast via TiVo, plex server.

Have been using the built in lg apps, but am learning that HDMI/arc will not pass through full Dolby/atmos.

Could somebody point me in the right direction? Should I be considering the Samsung 4K player, nvidia shield, roku, etc

Or is there some workaround that allows Dolby atmos to be passed through? I didn't understand fully, but vaguely remember discussions about using service remote to change how audio is passed through.

I rarely buy/rent physical blu-ray disks because streaming is so much more convenient. Would still consider the Samsung 4K if that helps achieve my goal

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OK, work around for Dish Hopper 3 users and the HDR problem...
Is only PPV content on Dish is 4k? Thanks
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Is only PPV content on Dish is 4k? Thanks
For right now, yes. I think they have some plans for other things, but the Hopper 3 is HEVC and ready to go.

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Watching a DVR of Arrow OTA right now, which is generally a dark show. This display is just ridiculously good.

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Quick question, when should I use wide color gamut and not standard? Can I just leave it on wide? Does HDR content streamed on Amazon affect these settings?
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I just upgraded to the Yamaha 3050 receiver which supports Atmos

Im now trying to figure out the best way to get best quality picture on the lg oled and sound (including atmos) through the receiver



main content: Netflix, Amazon prime, downloaded blu-ray, Comcast via TiVo, plex server.

Have been using the built in lg apps, but am learning that HDMI/arc will not pass through full Dolby/atmos.

Could somebody point me in the right direction? Should I be considering the Samsung 4K player, nvidia shield, roku, etc

Or is there some workaround that allows Dolby atmos to be passed through? I didn't understand fully, but vaguely remember discussions about using service remote to change how audio is passed through.

I rarely buy/rent physical blu-ray disks because streaming is so much more convenient. Would still consider the Samsung 4K if that helps achieve my goal

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You cannot pass anything beyond DD/DTS 5.1 SS through ARC or optical on the EF9500.

Stream 1080p Atmos content through your Bluray player to stream Atmos to your AVR.

Stream 4K/HDR content through your EF9500 with 5.1 DDD + DDS (simulated 3D) sound at best.

Wait for some new box that will stream UHD HDR w/Atmos sound if you want to stream 4K/HDR with Atmos sound.
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Thanks for flagging, I'll be sending mine back for the Panasonic if that turns out to be the case. Most Samsung HD BD players I've looked at have had undefeatable NR so I'm not too surprised.
Ok I thought so. is this pretty common for Samsung? I swear they had something sort of edge enhancement on the F8500. and same thing with some previous lcd's they have I seen.

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Ok I thought so. is this pretty common for Samsung? I swear they had something sort of edge enhancement on the F8500. and same thing with some previous lcd's they have I seen.
No, in the North American market they've been free of NR for years, and for almost as long in Europe. I gave them hell over it a few years in a row. That's TV, I don't know anyone at Samsung on the BD side.

Their TVs haven't had forced edge enhancement for a long time.

I'm hoping to get my hands on one of these soon to check it out and will confirm the video processing.
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These are what I figured you guys were using, since I had the disc, so I did it after we got done with a movie.

On the 100% white: The slightly lighter image in the middle is less pronounced and moves around as you walk around, so not sure if that is the filter or whatever. But it looks great to me, especially what I have seen from plasma.

Thanks for taking these screenshots and posting them, Gadgtfreek.

Compared to the 510 that I recently returned to LG for poor uniformity it has noticeably less distinct color banding, although the pattern of the color shifts is identical (pink/blue/yellow/blue) to your 601 today. At the time my 510 seemed par for the course on uniformity with other 510's but, as you can easily see below, on black & white content the banding was definitely noticeable. Have you tested yours with straight black & white content yet?
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And like I said, it's exaggerated in the pic and the color changes appear to moves as you walk around, almost seems like a trick on the eyes. I just watched Agent 47 and there was a lot of white walls etc..., and everything is very uniform. The PQ of that movie was outstanding and it shines on the 6500.

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Watched The Sixth Sense on blu ray tonight. You won't see dead people, but you will see a movie made for this tv. Perfect blacks, near blacks and color. I highly recommend this movie for the tv in a dark room. Flawless.
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Has anyone watched The Equalizer on this set? I'd imagine it looks great, there are a lot of dark scenes, including the climax in the Home Mart.
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Anyone have an idea how to defeat or stop this HDR signal being triggered by the new Dish Hopper 3 to the OLED? Im starting to get pissed and nothing I can do will stop it. The fact they wont let you turn off HDR burns my ass too.
I have not had that happen and I had the Hopper 3 since the 7th. I do go through my non-4k pass-through Denon AVR, so maybe that is why I have not seen the HDR triggered.
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Aloha! Watched Martian 4K on my new Samsung 4K Blu Ray Player with my 65" EF9500 .75 FW and it was absolutely flawless with HDR! You wanna pay $3K more for a 65" please do! This is the BEST TV out there and after 500 pages of posts I'm still not returning it! Mahalo!
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Hi, I have the 65EF9500. I bought it 2+ months ago and had no issues until now. I was sitting here using my laptop and I looked up and the left half of the TV was blue and the right half was yellow but sound was still working. I thought hmm maybe I sat on a button without knowing it for 3D or something. So I went and powered off the TV using the joystick on the TV. After that I turned it back on and when it came back up there was sound but no picture (black screen).

I know it's not the HDMI, but I tried switching to my Xbox's HDMI and had the same issue, sound works but no picture. Is my TV broke or did I press a button or something to cause this and it's an easy fix? Let me know.
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Hi, I have the 65EF9500. I bought it 2+ months ago and had no issues until now. I was sitting here using my laptop and I looked up and the left half of the TV was blue and the right half was yellow but sound was still working. I thought hmm maybe I sat on a button without knowing it for 3D or something. So I went and powered off the TV using the joystick on the TV. After that I turned it back on and when it came back up there was sound but no picture (black screen).

I know it's not the HDMI, but I tried switching to my Xbox's HDMI and had the same issue, sound works but no picture. Is my TV broke or did I press a button or something to cause this and it's an easy fix? Let me know.
Try unplugging tv for a few minutes. If that doesnt work, your tv is likely in need of repair.
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So oddly enough it seems the new Samsung 4K player works the best with our TVs heh. No issues with color, edges, noise, etc. I was suspecting if it had to do with 1.4 quality (18gbs) HDMI cables at first. Maybe it's just that the player doesn't play nice with it's own brands TVs? That'd be something else.

What quality cables are you guys running with the new Samsung 4K player out of curiosity? I didn't buy one yet in part because I want to see Panasonic's player offering first, second, none of the movies released are of interest to me. That'll change mid/end year though. Sony won't have a player for a good while it seems unfortunately, and maybe Oppo will have theirs out summer/fall now?
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Can someone explain what dejudder and deblur settings are actually doing/controlling? (for trumotion USER mode)

(it has been said that deblur reduces motion blur/increases motion resolution without introducing SOE, but what is it doing if not inserting interpolated frames?)
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So oddly enough it seems the new Samsung 4K player works the best with our TVs heh. No issues with color, edges, noise, etc. I was suspecting if it had to do with 1.4 quality (18gbs) HDMI cables at first. Maybe it's just that the player doesn't play nice with it's own brands TVs? That'd be something else.

What quality cables are you guys running with the new Samsung 4K player out of curiosity? I didn't buy one yet in part because I want to see Panasonic's player offering first, second, none of the movies released are of interest to me. That'll change mid/end year though. Sony won't have a player for a good while it seems unfortunately, and maybe Oppo will have theirs out summer/fall now?
Here is another funny one. My Sony 6500 BR player had a bunch of handshake issues with my XBR, but none with the LG. Ive also had my doubts how anything but a FALD LCD would handle HDR. Having to jack up brightness in a whole zone for one little highlight is not good.

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Can someone explain what dejudder and deblur settings are actually doing/controlling? (for trumotion USER mode)

(it has been said that deblur reduces motion blur/increases motion resolution without introducing SOE, but what is it doing if not inserting interpolated frames?)

Ive wondered the same, not sure if its just duplicating frames or something but it isn't black frame insertion which kills light. De blur 10 gives you 600 line of motion rez, and then as you go up on de judder you are adding in some frame creating/estimation.

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I know one thing that doesnt get play here because of all the more serious discussion but the magic remote is pretty dang cool. After I got used to it I love it.

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I'm trying to figure out how to download M-GO 4K movies. It's a shame it's only compatible with Samsung tvs. Does anyone know if it will work with an an Nvidia Shield?
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