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1% 2% 3%, some reflection as I have curtains behind me that do not darken the room enough
I know it is a pain, but you need to take these shots at night in the pitch black. No ambient light, long exposure time.

Can't tell anything from these shots.

What is your build date?

And is this 55" or 65"?
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Reflectance values (65JS9500 and 65EG9600)



Samsung 2.2% diffuse 3.1 % mirror

LG 1.2% diffuse 2.1 % mirror



No idea if they changed the coatings between the EG and EF models.



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It's getting harder to resist the EF, if reflections are fewer too, that's even better.


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I know it is a pain, but you need to take these shots at night in the pitch black. No ambient light, long exposure time.

Can't tell anything from these shots.

What is your build date?

And is this 55" or 65"?
Aug 2015 65"

I also want to note that I am not seeing any issues while watching regular TV such as a hockey game, dark scenes etc. I have not tested using a blu-ray since I am not a collector of them so I can't comment on that.

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I think it's pretty clear at this point that the 65 are better than the 55 for vignette issues. I'm swapping my 55 for a 65 today so can offer another data point soon
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I think it's pretty clear at this point that the 65 are better than the 55 for vignette issues. I'm swapping my 55 for a 65 today so can offer another data point soon
At least returning the 55" is a smaller box to manage
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I think it's pretty clear at this point that the 65 are better than the 55 for vignette issues. I'm swapping my 55 for a 65 today so can offer another data point soon
If you can, you might try to inspect the 65EF9500 boxes to find one with a September build date...
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I was checking the exterior of my 55 box and unfortunately the build date is not externally visible.
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1% 2% 3%, some reflection as I have curtains behind me that do not darken the room enough
What gsmma ur using as theres a massive diffence on these tvs from 2.2 to 2.4 gsmma

2.2 hides faults more
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What gsmma ur using as theres a massive diffence on these tvs from 2.2 to 2.4 gsmma

2.2 hides faults more
2.2 is what I was using but beg's the question what is everyone else using? Plus my settings for sure are different than everyone else. So what is good what is bad....

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Wow, this is a great thread. Thanks to all who have posted their dark screenshots for comparisons. I really want to pull the trigger before the holidays on this. Some have questioned why in the world would you spend $2K more at BB than say our sponsor here. The obvious answer is the "no questions asked" return policy. With the panel lottery we are seeing that is worth something. I have seen some posts where LG has replaced a "faulty" panel if you don't get from BB. For those not getting their sets from BB, how confident are you that LG will "make it right" directly?
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"ASBL"...

Is that the circuit built into the set, to prevent image burn in?

If so, can you get into specific detail on how you defeated the circuit?

The dimming while on the PC is maddening.

Thank you very much.
yes it is, when the screen detects a static image for some time it dims the screen to prevent burn in. This causes problems during calibration as using apl patterns makes the screen think the image isn't changing enough and it engages the dimming.

To get around it I made some of the Windows desktop visible, while also setting the desktop to change wallpaper every ten seconds.

As far as defeating Asbl in normal pc use, I don't think it will be that easy, or even possible. Try using a lower Oled setting and also keeping things moving on the screen. Not ideal at all but that is what it is.
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For those not getting their sets from BB, how confident are you that LG will "make it right" directly?
I have been monitoring these OLED threads for a while now while I decide on my next set, and I have seen no reported instances where LG did not ultimately either replace the panel or offer a refund on the vignetting issue. Although it also appears the process isn't always as quick or hassle free as simply exchanging the set for a new one at BB. All reports are "Robert", LG's VIP rep, is a stand up guy, and working hard to make things right. Although I'm sure anyone here dissatisfied with LG's service will chime in and correct me if I'm wrong or if I missed something.
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2.2 is what I was using but beg's the question what is everyone else using? Plus my settings for sure are different than everyone else. So what is good what is bad....
2.4 tests much closer to what a professional would calibrate too, assuming it's the same as EC9300s and EG9600s. 2.2 is like ~2.13 average which is a pretty bright/dull picture, while 2.4 is closer to 2.3 which is only slightly darker than ideal. You want a gamma of about 2.25-2.28 on these in my opinion, but you need to use 20pt controls to achieve it.

I'd use 2.4 and up brightness a notch or two, if you can't do a proper 20pt calibration.

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As far as defeating Asbl in normal pc use, I don't think it will be that easy, or even possible. Try using a lower Oled setting and also keeping things moving on the screen. Not ideal at all but that is what it is.
I defeated mine by just having my wallpaper change every 1 minute, and never full screening a window. 4K is massive, no real need to ever full screen something for my day to day tasks.

Two minutes also works, but requires a 3rd party program as windows only lets you do 1 minute or 3 minutes. 3 is too long.

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It looks like I do have a very slight yellow tint still with the new TV. It's much less than it was before, but since I know what to look for and where to look for it...I see it. I do think however that it is a vast improvement over what I had. Before it was really noticeable in the white slides, but now you have to look for it. It is day two however and I wonder if it is going to become more pronounced as it gets more use. If it stays the way it is, then I think I'll be happy with it. I'm curious to see what yours will be like when you get it.
I'm glad to hear that the yellow band is a significantly less noticeable. Just curious, in isf1, is warm 2 as garishly yellow as it was on your previous tv? The odd thing with my tv is that warm 3 looks less yellow than warm 2. Warm 2 OOTB is horrible. The reason why I ask is that people who don't have a yellow band, have said warm 2 is accurate. I wonder if the yellow band has something to do with an extremely poor greyscale, WB, etc?
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Good point 10k. I know on the eg the build date was identified by the serial number. Wondering if the same applies to the ef?
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Got a September Mexico 65.

The vignette is massively reduced from my 55. I do have the yellow band on the right side. I'm going to reserve judgement on the yellow band until the tv gets some hours on it and see if it bothers me.

I put some golf on and I can see it in the blue sky, but it's nowhere near as bad as the yellow splotch I had on the center left of my 55.

I think the bigger size of the tv helps with reducing the impact of vignette.

Will post pics of slides later
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Got a September Mexico 65.

The vignette is massively reduced from my 55. I do have the yellow band on the right side. I'm going to reserve judgement on the yellow band until the tv gets some hours on it and see if it bothers me.

I put some golf on and I can see it in the blue sky, but it's nowhere near as bad as the yellow splotch I had on the center left of my 55.

I think the bigger size of the tv helps with reducing the impact of vignette.

Will post pics of slides later
Looking forward to seeing the slides. I'm starting to wonder if the yellow splotches and bands are caused by a poorly applied A/R filter. As you get further off center of the tv, the yellow fades and at about 70 degrees, it disappears completely and the screen looks uniform. I can lower my OLED light to zero, and the yellow band remains. But that doesn't make sense why it would be only on the right side of the 65 inch model.
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Well this isn't great. It downloaded the firmware, told me to turn off the tv and now it won't turn on. Just brief flashing lg logo light at bottom and then nothing but a black screen.

Will this ever end?!?!!!
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Finally after waiting for a year, my Best Buy received and installed the flat 65EF9500. Beautiful set.
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Well this isn't great. It downloaded the firmware, told me to turn off the tv and now it won't turn on. Just brief flashing lg logo light at bottom and then nothing but a black screen.

Will this ever end?!?!!!
Can you turn it on by pushing the button under the Logo? That's really odd. On top of that, some Sept builds have the current FW, while others do not.
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I'm glad to hear that the yellow band is a significantly less noticeable. Just curious, in isf1, is warm 2 as garishly yellow as it was on your previous tv? The odd thing with my tv is that warm 3 looks less yellow than warm 2. Warm 2 OOTB is horrible. The reason why I ask is that people who don't have a yellow band, have said warm 2 is accurate. I wonder if the yellow band has something to do with an extremely poor greyscale, WB, etc?
Here's the crazy thing, in isf1 warm 2 looks much worse than medium or cool. It's possible that with correct calibration this may go away or get let noticeable. Right now my setting is on GAME with no changes. If I change the color from cool to warm, the band shows up more. Between these two sets I'm so confused.
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Here's the crazy thing, in isf1 warm 2 looks much worse than medium or cool. It's possible that with correct calibration this may go away or get let noticeable. Right now my setting is on GAME with no changes. If I change the color from cool to warm, the band shows up more. Between these two sets I'm so confused.
Does the screen look less yellow going to warm3? Medium and cool will actually have bluish whites, which is something you may be use to. A properly calibrated screen will initially look like whites are more yellow, but no way it should look as yellow as what I am seeing with warm 2. I have had all my tv's in the past calibrated, so i know what whites should look like, and warm 2 is not white on my tv. For me the yellow band is just as obvious whether using cool, medium, warm1 and 2.

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Well this isn't great. It downloaded the firmware, told me to turn off the tv and now it won't turn on. Just brief flashing lg logo light at bottom and then nothing but a black screen.

Will this ever end?!?!!!
I had the firmware download last night, message popped up and said next time I turn on the TV the firmware will install. This morning when I turned on the TV, I saw the webos logo..black screen, then waited...it took a few minutes but then content showed up. Maybe turn the TV off and on again?
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Nothing. It's dead jim
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Does the screen look less yellow going to warm3?
Oh much more yellow. Isn't it a combo of the warm3 and oled settings? As I said before, I'm not a fan of the warm color on the TV...for some reason cool just looks more real to me. And I have to say, I just looked at the white slide again...the band seems less yellow. Or my eyes are playing tricks on me. The TV has been on much longer today too....let's see what happens tomorrow.
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Finally after waiting for a year, my Best Buy received and installed the flat 65EF9500. Beautiful set.
Any yellow band on the right side during a light or white screen?
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Oh much more yellow. Isn't it a combo of the warm3 and oled settings? As I said before, I'm not a fan of the warm color on the TV...for some reason cool just looks more real to me. And I have to say, I just looked at the white slide again...the band seems less yellow. Or my eyes are playing tricks on me. The TV has been on much longer today too....let's see what happens tomorrow.
Thanks. Mine is just the opposite. Going from warm 2 to warm 3 is less yellow. Actually if you have had your tv on for 6 hours, you can turn off, and if you wait about 5 to 10 minutes, you will hear the tv actually "click" off, which means it performed it's 6 hour cycle. You can turn it back on and then see if it got worse.
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Nothing. It's dead jim
You would not have liked that yellow band. It knew that it was better to die on you so you could replace.
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general/about TV.. you can force it to check firmware there. so far most TVs are shipping with 3.x and the upgrade will go to 4.x

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Did not see any problems

BUT the entire loop was set on a black background.




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