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It can't convert 2D to 3D. I'd buy a 3D disc if I were you and see if the difference is big enough to buy others.
Really? An Amazon reviewer said that it CAN convert 2D to 3D and "it works surprisingly well even without 3D source material." So he is he mistaken?
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Really? An Amazon reviewer said that it CAN convert 2D to 3D and "it works surprisingly well even without 3D source material." So he is he mistaken?
There is a mode to fake 2D to 3D and it can be somewhat entertaining but it is nowhere close to actual 3D mastered content on Bluray.
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Really? An Amazon reviewer said that it CAN convert 2D to 3D and "it works surprisingly well even without 3D source material." So he is he mistaken?
It's like colorized films; some people like the effect but for most it's a horrid abomination.
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There is a mode to fake 2D to 3D and it can be somewhat entertaining but it is nowhere close to actual 3D mastered content on Bluray.
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It's like colorized films; some people like the effect but for most it's a horrid abomination.
AhHa! Thanks for that guys. Guess I will invest in a couple of 3D discs then.
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So I've been using Trumotion User with De-judder set to 2 and De-blur set to 10. Really helps with any judder/stutter issues without introducing noticeable SOE.

I know the "drawback" a high De-judder setting can cause...but what possible drawback can a high De-blur setting cause?

I have it set to 10 as the CNET review article says it nearly doubled motion resolution to 600 lines. Didn't really say what drawbacks there might be though.

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Not that I have seen other than the stuttering on 1080i/60 stuff, that can only be beaten with cutting TM and Real Cinema off. Chad ran motion tests and DB settings 8-10 gave pretty much the same result, so I just leave mine on 9.



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I just ordered my 55EF9500. Very excited. But I'm a complete dummy about 3D. As I understand it, this TV can convert 2D to 3D. So is it worth replacing my 2D Blu-Rays with 3D Blu-Rays? Life of Pi, for example – stunningly beautiful movie. Wondering if there would be much difference between the 2D and 3D versions on this TV?
I would not sweat converting with the display, I have never been a fan unless it is just some tv content you could not otherwise get in 3D. Try renting a title if you already own the 2D version, from 3dblurayrental.com.




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Curious about calibration. Just purchased the 65ef9500. I don't have a Bluray player (and don't plan to get one). Most of what I've read use dvd's. Curious if "everyone" calibrates, or if many are happy with initial setup. Or better to pay Chad $225 or $450?

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Try this for starters since you don't have a blu-ray player:

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Everything else stock IIRC.

Gamma 2.2 and 49 brightness will crush more 1% black than 2.4 and 50, so IMO it looks better watching mixed content with compression artifacts in the near black. If you use 2.4 gamma and set to 49, it crushes too much. I spent about an hour last night playing with Disney WOW's advanced brightness pattern and adjusting 2.4 and 2.2 settings (including 5% white balance controls), and 2.2 Gamma with 49 brightness is easily best out of the box (if you want to cut down on near black warts).

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There is a mode to fake 2D to 3D and it can be somewhat entertaining but it is nowhere close to actual 3D mastered content on Bluray.
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Hey Guys, I just had an issue with the ef950´s cinema bars while I was listening to the udh version of Deadpool on the k8500.
The bars where dark gray instead of totally black so I could enjoy the near black issues at the bottom and at the top of the screen while I was watching the movie.

I took a quick look to the bluray version but I could not reproduce the phenomenon. Any advice to get rid of this ? It is really distracting and it should not be happening since the oleds are supposed to be off in these area.

Im using gamma at bt.1886 with isf1 preset plus color to warm1

Thank you very much.

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Hey Guys, I just had an issue with the ef950´s cinema bars while I was listening to the udh version of Deadpool on the k8500.
The bars where dark gray instead of totally black so I could enjoy the near black issues at the bottom and at the top of the screen while I was watching the movie.

I took a quick look to the bluray version but I could not reproduce the phenomenon. Any advice to get rid of this ? It is really distracting and it should not be happening since the oleds are supposed to be off in these area.

Thank you very much.
I did not see this when I watched it in UHD. What Brightness setting? I was using 49.

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I did not see this when I watched it in UHD. What Brightness setting? I was using 49.
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AhHa! Thanks for that guys. Guess I will invest in a couple of 3D discs then.
That's one of the best things about this TV. I love the 3D picture this TV provides.

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Hey Guys, I just had an issue with the ef950´s cinema bars while I was listening to the udh version of Deadpool on the k8500.
The bars where dark gray instead of totally black so I could enjoy the near black issues at the bottom and at the top of the screen while I was watching the movie.

I took a quick look to the bluray version but I could not reproduce the phenomenon. Any advice to get rid of this ? It is really distracting and it should not be happening since the oleds are supposed to be off in these area.

Im using gamma at bt.1886 with isf1 preset plus color to warm1

Thank you very much.
Most likely your brightness is set too high, try lowering it until the cinema bars turn black.

Alternatively, use a calibration disk to set brightness correctly.
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Most likely your brightness is set too high, try lowering it until the cinema bars turn black.

Alternatively, use a calibration disk to set brightness correctly.

I have never seen lower than 47 needed, but, I notice their post was edited after I quoted and they are using 1886 with Warm 1. May be a variance there.


Speaking of Brightness settings. I watched Krampus last night (fun movie) and blacks looked crush, but after reading a review it is how it is. That being said, if you have brightness too low it will be even worse, and if you have Brightness too high, I imagine it will show some warts.

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@Chad B has some G6 info posted which correlates to what we have seen on the 9500:

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With OLED light at 50 and contrast at 80, the G6 reproduced a 10% size white window at 51.8 fL and a full white field at 20.3 fL, indicating a level of ABL that, while mild compared to a plasma, could detract from the performance in certain situations. However, setting OLED light to 100 and turning contrast down to 60 gave a similar light output with a window of 51.6 fL, but substantially increased brightness with a full white field to 32.7 fL. This means that, if OLED light is set to 100 and contrast is then used to set the desired light output, ABL can be minimized to the point where it should hardly ever come into play. On most prior OLED models, the contrast had to be set to a specific point for the 20 point controls to adjust the proper brightness range, but thankfully that has been eliminated in the EF9500 and G6, making the high OLED calibration technique a viable option. As with prior OLEDs, care should be taken not to let the display’s tendency to dim static images interfere with any measurements.
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As with other LG OLEDs, the G6’s behavior ramping up out of black is sensitive and is impacted by many adjustments beyond the normal brightness control. Not compensating for interactions can cause contouring and increased blotchiness near black. However, with patience and a watchful eye on these interactions and quirks, superb near black results can be achieved. The G6’s white balance and gamma should be calibrated using the 2 point white balance controls in the G6’s menu first, using 100% white for the high measurements and 5% for the low. Then the 20 point control can be used to refine the results, leaving the 5 and 100 IRE controls alone.
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I just ordered my 55EF9500. Very excited. But I'm a complete dummy about 3D. As I understand it, this TV can convert 2D to 3D. So is it worth replacing my 2D Blu-Rays with 3D Blu-Rays? Life of Pi, for example – stunningly beautiful movie. Wondering if there would be much difference between the 2D and 3D versions on this TV?
I personally was so impressed with 3D on the EF that I've been picking up every 3D movie that I see on slickdeals. I've had numerous 3D TVs and never cared for it until now. It's that good and totally worth replacing 2D with 3D BDs!
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I have the tv slightly above my seating area so my eyes are at the bottom of the screen and my 3D has horrible crosstalk there. If i stand up its perfect though. I don't suppose there is any way to adjust that is there? I was looking at the 3D settings and they mainly just adjust the foreground and background. Is this pretty common?
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Am i donig something wrong ?


I have some Dolby Atmos files on a Harddrive and this is connected through the USB tot the 65EF.
I use HDMI ARC to a Denon AVR X7200WA and the setup is correct, i do get sound from DD files from the same harddisk.
I use the buildin mediaplayer of the 65EF but it will pay picture but no sound.
I get a text that only picture is supported for these DD Atmos files.

Why is this, when i play the same DD Atmos file through a 4 year old mediaplayer to the Denon i get Atmos in the display of the 7200.
Why is this not supported by the TV, or am i doing someting wrong ?
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If it's the best you've ever owned and are enjoying it, why go looking for faults. Honestly, if you look close enough you will find faults with anything. My recommendation is enjoy the best tv you have ever owned.
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I personally was so impressed with 3D on the EF that I've been picking up every 3D movie that I see on slickdeals. I've had numerous 3D TVs and never cared for it until now. It's that good and totally worth replacing 2D with 3D BDs!
Welcome to the party! Too bad it's phasing out now huh? I have 50 3D BDs and the thing is I love 3D. But the majority of director's and studios just slap it on. There truly is only a small handful of amazing top quality 3D. some amazing ones, Gravity, Avatar, Tangled, Jurassic Park (original 3D update), Kiss me Kate, House of Wax, Wizard of Oz (original 3D update), Oz the Great and Powerful. Those are some of my absolute favorites as far as 3D quality.

It's kinda funny though. I as an avid 3D lover am now moving on to an UHD large screen without 3D because I see that not much 3D is out there any more, and people who previously didn't care are now seeing the awesomeness of it. Too little too late.

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It's still gonna be around, and conversions have gotten a lot better.

In 2016, thru June, so far there has been 9 live action 3D releases on blu. Batman v Superman and Jungle Book upcoming this summer. There was around 10 in the 2nd half of 2015.

I do not feel the need to watch several a month, but one good 3D release/month would be fine by me.

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It's still gonna be around, and conversions have gotten a lot better.

In 2016, thru June, so far there has been 9 live action 3D releases on blu. Batman v Superman and Jungle Book upcoming this summer. There was around 10 in the 2nd half of 2015.

I do not feel the need to watch several a month, but one good 3D release/month would be fine by me.
How many of those have been top quality? As far as home 3D, look at Disney. None of their animated films had 3D versions, heck they didn't even release star wars in friggen 3D.

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How many of those have been top quality? As far as home 3D, look at Disney. None of their animated films had 3D versions, heck they didn't even release star wars in friggen 3D.

Disney isn't even supporting UHD, don't base anything off what Disney does. And BTW, it was stated the Force Awakens release was later this year (see $$$ grab), and Jungle Book will be in 3D.

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Not that I have seen other than the stuttering on 1080i/60 stuff, that can only be beaten with cutting TM and Real Cinema off. Chad ran motion tests and DB settings 8-10 gave pretty much the same result, so I just leave mine on 9.





I would not sweat converting with the display, I have never been a fan unless it is just some tv content you could not otherwise get in 3D. Try renting a title if you already own the 2D version, from 3dblurayrental.com.






Try this for starters since you don't have a blu-ray player:

ISF 1
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Brightness 49
Gamma 2.2
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Everything else stock IIRC.

Gamma 2.2 and 49 brightness will crush more 1% black than 2.4 and 50, so IMO it looks better watching mixed content with compression artifacts in the near black. If you use 2.4 gamma and set to 49, it crushes too much. I spent about an hour last night playing with Disney WOW's advanced brightness pattern and adjusting 2.4 and 2.2 settings (including 5% white balance controls), and 2.2 Gamma with 49 brightness is easily best out of the box (if you want to cut down on near black warts).



Exactly.
Link to 3dblurayrental.com no longer any good. Any place else we can rent 3D blu rays?

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www.3d-blurayrental.com

Rent UHD too.

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Curious, can 3d movies be streamed from Amazon prime? I search on my prime app for something like Avatar and no 3d rent options appear.

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Maybe I just had a bad experience with www.3d-blurayrental.com, but Netflix is much faster at getting movies to my doorstep. The package I signed up for I think was like 5 movies a month and the movies were taking so long to get to me I wasn't even able to take full advantage of that. Sucks because I was excited for the UHD/3D movies.

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Maybe I just had a bad experience with www.3d-blurayrental.com, but Netflix is much faster at getting movies to my doorstep. The package I signed up for I think was like 5 movies a month and the movies were taking so long to get to me I wasn't even able to take full advantage of that. Sucks because I was excited for the UHD/3D movies.
Apples to Oranges.

Netflix is setup for DVD and BR volume, where the other site isn't. On a 2 out at a plan I did not have a problem getting a new movie within 5 days of picking it, plus the beauty of that place is you can pay a one time fee to get the movie once without having a revolving account. So you can pay $6 or whatever to rent a 3D movie, as opposed to $25-30 to buy it new.

I would recommend renting UHD and 3D from that site on a case by case basis, not an X movie out at a time plan.

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Apples to Oranges.

Netflix is setup for DVD and BR volume, where the other site isn't. On a 2 out at a plan I did not have a problem getting a new movie within 5 days of picking it, plus the beauty of that place is you can pay a one time fee to get the movie once without having a revolving account. So you can pay $6 or whatever to rent a 3D movie, as opposed to $25-30 to buy it new.

I would recommend renting UHD and 3D from that site on a case by case basis, not an X movie out at a time plan.
I didn't know you could pay by movie. I need to check out their website again.

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