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Crud. Watching my first UHD Bluray (The Martian) and instantly noticing banding on grayish scenes. Haven't noticed a single band during normal HD content.



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Switched over to my 1080p copy of The Martian and it looks a lot better. Even without the banding the HDR just didn't do anything for me. I guess since it's completely uncalibrated compared to my ISF 1 calibrated input with the eeColor...

Might wait to jump into 4k until it becomes more clear and standardized with calibration (i.e. not having to pay thousands for a 4k compatible 3D lut box). Guess I prefer absolute reference over everything else. Another reason why I ditched my 3D collection last year.
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It is your money but $120 isn't worth anything at these costs so call that a wash and only pay attention if the 2600 hours bothers you.

Some people seem to be drawing incorrect correlations with the build date and saying the newer the better.

We had already determined that older build dates, 509-511 had a higher likelihood for vignetting but as the months passed you started to trade vignetting for banding, meaning as you got to 602-603, you might have less vignetting but a higher chance for distracting banding.

Basically, what I am saying is, make your decision solely on that 2600 hours. Not build date, not $120. I consider all of that a wash, other than hours.

If you like why you have, just keep it and enjoy it.
I don't know, banding seemed just as likely in those earlier builds as it did later on.
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Even with brightness set lower, I don't think the darker scenes look as they should on UHD content. My first guess would be that the gamma is not very good in UHD mode, at least not by the chart Chad had for mine from the Calman workflow. Now bright scenes look great, but those darker scenes just don't look good. So far I have seen the effect on The Revenant, Deadpool and Gods of Egypt. Pretty much enforces my decision that I'll go 2D or 3D 1080p from here on out. I mean UHD can be quite pretty, but other times it has some issues on these earlier sets IMO, and 1080p blu-ray looks great on the OLED.

I noticed the 2016's have a better gamma, but still not perfect, so maybe by 2017/2018 they will have more of this figured out. I am not going to spend $25-30 a movie to not see it at it's best, and I am personally not convinced UHD is the "best" in it's current state of disarray.

In case anyone is curious, I am watching in the mode Chad cal'd, and have even tried brightness lower to see what it does with the issues. It helps the banding in the "gray" dark scenes (I did not see any in Gods of Egypt), but they still don't look proper IMO, and I think that is the gamma being wonky.

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Sorry, but OLED needs work

I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
You need to look at the 2016 OLED models. They run circles around the Sony. The 940D is not even as good as the 940C which has more zones than the 940D. The 940D is actually a step down. I had the 940C for about a month. Could not deal with the poor off axis viewing, and the occasional blooming into the black bars while watching blu ray movies in a totally dark room. The Sony can not come close to matching the pure blacks of OLED. The Sony is not even in the same zip code when it comes to the infinite contrast that OLED produces. 4K on OLED is absolutely stunning. Infinite contrast will do that.
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Even with brightness set lower, I don't think the darker scenes look as they should on UHD content. My first guess would be that the gamma is not very good in UHD mode, at least not by the chart Chad had for mine from the Calman workflow. Now bright scenes look great, but those darker scenes just don't look good. So far I have seen the effect on The Revenant, Deadpool and Gods of Egypt. Pretty much enforces my decision that I'll go 2D or 3D 1080p from here on out. I mean UHD can be quite pretty, but other times it has some issues on these earlier sets IMO, and 1080p blu-ray looks great on the OLED.

I noticed the 2016's have a better gamma, but still not perfect, so maybe by 2017/2018 they will have more of this figured out. I am not going to spend $25-30 a movie to not see it at it's best, and I am personally not convinced UHD is the "best" in it's current state of disarray.

In case anyone is curious, I am watching in the mode Chad cal'd, and have even tried brightness lower to see what it does with the issues. It helps the banding in the "gray" dark scenes (I did not see any in Gods of Egypt), but they still don't look proper IMO, and I think that is the gamma being wonky.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Luckily I still was within the return window with Amazon for my Sammy player and all the 4k movies I bought. So no lose money wise. Just not worth it, to me, to jump in right now after seeing with my own eyes in my room.

I loved what HDR did for the brighter scenes but having always chased black level perfection and reference quality (Kuro then JVC projector) I can't justify not watching a perfectly calibrated 1080p picture over a still in the works learning curve 4k HDR picture. I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe this winter or next I'll have some stuff to put on my Xmas list to jump back in once it's all figured out.
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
I can't agree on the off axis comment at all. My PC is setup nearly 150 degrees to the side of my EF and the picture doesn't degrade at all while watching and doing work at the same time.

And what blooming effect are you talking about? FALD LED TV'S are the technology constantly fighting to reduce blooming by adding more and more zones.
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I can't agree on the off axis comment at all. My PC is setup nearly 150 degrees to the side of my EF and the picture doesn't degrade at all while watching and doing work at the same time.

And what blooming effect are you talking about? FALD LED TV'S are the technology constantly fighting to reduce blooming by adding more and more zones.
I think he is just extremely confused. Maybe he doesn't know what OLED is? I only say this because the "downsides" he lists are complete non-issues for OLED. No other technology can compete to date. So if OLED isn't good enough, then his only option is to physically go to where his TV shows and movies are filmed and watch things live to get a better picture.

I get that he just bought a 940D and wants to convince himself that he has the best of the best but the only thing he has is a cheaper display
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
Why are you posting on an OLED owners site? Sounds like you have a lot of your "facts" backwards!
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From the few movies I've watched 3D looks good, but I'm no expert. Unfortunately, I can't return it since I got it a few months ago from Chris @CP. I wonder if they are swapping panels for the EF with panels from the new OLED's? Would they even be compatible?
No, the new 2016 model panels are completely different but the EF models were made well into 2016. I had my panel replaced in early May, tv was an October 2015 build.

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Why are you posting on an OLED owners site? Sounds like you have a lot of your "facts" backwards!
Either the OP is trolling, which is possible since it was only the 3rd post the OP ever made, or the OP is trying to justify the $7000 spent on the 940D.
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Either the OP is trolling, which is possible since it was only the 3rd post the OP ever made, or the OP is trying to justify the $7000 spent on the 940D.
Ouch. Didn't realize it was that expensive. What a waste 😦
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For those that saw both the ef and the 2016 models side by side. Not in a store environment but in a real life one. Is the 2016 oleds that much better than the ef9500? Aside from banding and vignetting. Mine is a February 2016 build and I see no banding and vignetting but over in the e6 forum, people are saying that the picture quality is way superior.
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If you can't see any vignetting or banding or other offensive uniformity issues, there's no need need to worry about 2016 models. In fact, you should be reveling at the prospect of all the dough you saved. Anybody actively making the comparison had a EF9500 (or 4) that they were not happy with, typically for the aforementioned reasons.
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If you can't see any vignetting or banding or other offensive uniformity issues, there's no need need to worry about 2016 models. In fact, you should be reveling at the prospect of all the dough you saved. Anybody actively making the comparison had a EF9500 (or 4) that they were not happy with, typically for the aforementioned reasons.
The only complaints I have is minor black crush, lack of shadow detail, and blockiness on some cable TV shows such as game of thrones. Is there a major improvement in the new models in these areas?
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The latter issue is source-related. You will still have compression-related artifacts on 2016 models. I haven't seen any big differences in those other areas.
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
LoL!

I researched and checked out the 940D in person and both the EF & E/G6p OLEDs TV's...and the Sony 940D is nice but not even close to nicer than even the EF9500, which I ended up purchasing for a great price. The Sony is $6,500 on "sale"...I got the 65EF for $3k...spending $3,500 for an extra 10-inches and LED backlight and thicker profile was not worth it. The picture and contrast of the Sony didn't hold a candle to the OLEDs, plus I noticed that the corners of the Sony 940D seamed dimmer than the rest of the screen and that distracted from overall viewing experience, plus, i noticed the build quality was nothing to write home about, same as the previous lines.

Blooming effect??...haven't seen it on mine or anyone else's since OLEDs don't have an LED backlight such as the 940D. As for your claim of off angle being horrible on OLEDs in your comparison to the 940D...LoL!

Your claim of sharpness & contrast being better on the 940D...also LoL!

You are correct tho that OLEDs will get better...but when the current ones are pretty great, compared to the competition, than the future looks bright..for OLEDs...
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I really wanted an OLED but the quality is NOT there yet. I have the new SONY 75" 940D model. OLED doesn't even come close in sharpness, contrast, and for those that need off-angle views, then it blows the OLEDs out of the water. My TV is set at 22' from sitting room and people can watch it from 140 - 170 degrees off angle with no fade, blooming, or resolution loss. It's important if you plan on not watching from straight on. Looks great during the day vs night viewing. TV and upscaling looks better on the 940D as well. OLED needs a lot of work. First they had to fix and still fixing blooming effect on the 65". Off angle is horrible and if that's not a concern, then your lucky. Reliability will be the issue with OLEDs. In a few years they will be there but 4K TVs for Sony will be way ahead. And the pricing is ridiculous still for OLEDs. Not saying that this Sony 940D is good. It's expensive, but we all know that the prices will drop considerably over the next few years for these 75" TVs. OLEDs don't even have a 75" for the consumer yet.
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quick question, if I'm not going to tinker with color settings and calibration because I don't have a meter or know what I'm doing is it best to still use ISF 1 mode and leave everything alone or am I best served with a different picture setting such as cinema? Thanks
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ISF1 is fine.

Just setting light output (contrast and oled light) along with brightness gets you a very nice image.

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For those that saw both the ef and the 2016 models side by side. Not in a store environment but in a real life one. Is the 2016 oleds that much better than the ef9500? Aside from banding and vignetting. Mine is a February 2016 build and I see no banding and vignetting but over in the e6 forum, people are saying that the picture quality is way superior.
I have a EF9500 bought last OCT. with a 509 build have had no problems and love it. Moved it to my man cave and yesterday bought a B6 for maim viewing.
The B6 so far is fantastic but I cant see any difference in the Dolby Vision from HDR10 on the EF. In fact my wife thinks the EF looks better. So for all you guys out there thinking you need a 2016 don't sweat it. Wait a few years.
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I have a EF9500 bought last OCT. with a 509 build have had no problems and love it. Moved it to my man cave and yesterday bought a B6 for maim viewing.
The B6 so far is fantastic but I cant see any difference in the Dolby Vision from HDR10 on the EF. In fact my wife thinks the EF looks better. So for all you guys out there thinking you need a 2016 don't sweat it. Wait a few years.
Thanks for letting us know! I was going to go with a LG 2016 non-OLED in order to get the Dolby Vision + HDR10 but the larger screen sizes were still between $8 and $10k. I ended up getting a Samsung (65") to enjoy the Vidity UHD movies and a Vizio (75") to enjoy the Dolby Vision movies from Vudu (my favorite streaming provider). I bought both TVs for less than it would have cost to buy the one LG LCD TV in a larger screen size.

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I have a EF9500 bought last OCT. with a 509 build have had no problems and love it. Moved it to my man cave and yesterday bought a B6 for maim viewing.
The B6 so far is fantastic but I cant see any difference in the Dolby Vision from HDR10 on the EF. In fact my wife thinks the EF looks better. So for all you guys out there thinking you need a 2016 don't sweat it. Wait a few years.
Unless both displays are calibrated to the same targets, all you're comparing are pictures based on out of the box settings.

On second thought, since you're not crazy about the B6, wanna sell it?
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For all you 3D fans, Jaws 3 blu-ray releases on 6/14 and has real 3D version on board.

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I never bothered to buy 3d glasses on my plasma, but since this set is ready to go I may buy a DVD or two. What's a "cheap", good enough player to use with this set? Also be nice to have something for future calibration discs.

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Just get like a Sony S6700 or 6500.
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Thanks for all the tips in this thread guys but I went with a 75UH8500. The desire for a larger screen beat out the amazing PQ of the OLED. Maybe some day in the future if they ever start making 40" or smaller OLEDs I can get one for the bedroom. But I wanted to go big for movies in the living room. Enjoy your TVs everyone. After all that's what's important.

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