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Will the LG 55EF9500 pass 5.1 through ARC?

Will the LG 55EF9500 pass 5.1 through ARC?
I have my DirectV and Blu Ray going to my TV, and My TV going to my Onkyo receiver through ARC but I'm not hear my rear speakers on any source. Is it the TV, ARC, the HDMI or the Receiver Receiver was working previous to new set up. But had to use ARC for the Lg's smart streaming of VUDU and Netflix.
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Will the LG 55EF9500 pass 5.1 through ARC?
I have my DirectV and Blu Ray going to my TV, and My TV going to my Onkyo receiver through ARC but I'm not hear my rear speakers on any source. Is it the TV, ARC, the HDMI or the Receiver Receiver was working previous to new set up. But had to use ARC for the Lg's smart streaming of VUDU and Netflix.
It will, but you have to be able to force any devices plugged into the TV to send a bitstream and not just handshake for stereo PCM. ARC should get 5.1 from the TV streaming apps assuming thats setup correctly. Initially word was that it couldn't pass along 5.1 sources from external devices, and while thats not 100% true, it might effectively be the case for people with hardware you can't force to send 5.1 bitstream sources.The tricky part is just getting all of your equipment set up right.
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It will, but you have to be able to force any devices plugged into the TV to send a bitstream and not just handshake for stereo PCM. ARC should get 5.1 from the TV streaming apps assuming thats setup correctly. Initially word was that it couldn't pass along 5.1 sources from external devices, and while thats not 100% true, it might effectively be the case for people with hardware you can't force to send 5.1 bitstream sources.The tricky part is just getting all of your equipment set up right.

My Direct TV Genie doesn't have the feature to output via PCM. I did try my Sony Blu Ray Player and no luck. Even with sound set to PCM not sound to rears. But rears work. I did check that.
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This question was asked and answered in the owner's thread, and the answer is still: run everything through your AVR, not the TV! ARC will support 5.1 for apps (and live TV), but it would still be better to use optical (Toslink) out because ARC is problematic.

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Do we know if optical from EF9500 could pass dolby digital plus to a receiver? I ask because I have a Denon X4000 receiver, which will not be able to pass through HDR from external sources. If the TV could send DD+ signal from the apps either via ARC or optical, that would be money.
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This question was asked and answered in the owner's thread, and the answer is still: run everything through your AVR, not the TV! ARC will support 5.1 for apps (and live TV), but it would still be better to use optical (Toslink) out because ARC is problematic.
And I still think it's silly that ARC is limited to the same capabilities as optical when HDMI is clearly capable of more, because that results in you replacing both your TV and your AVR when trying to upgrade.

That doesn't sound like a conspiracy at all now.


(it's not like you have to replace your PC or your graphics card when you buy a new monitor - the only time you have to is if the PC/GPU is like a decade older than the monitor because it lacks the needed video port)

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Do we know if optical from EF9500 could pass dolby digital plus to a receiver? I ask because I have a Denon X4000 receiver, which will not be able to pass through HDR from external sources. If the TV could send DD+ signal from the apps either via ARC or optical, that would be money.
Yes: the manual even has the Dolby Digital Plus logo in the license list.

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Yes: the manual even has the Dolby Digital Plus logo in the license list.
Oh wow. I'm now truly a happy camper!
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Help needed.

I must be overlooking some settings in my new system.

I have a LG55UF950T tv and a Yamaha RXA 2050 amp. TV input HDMI 1 and amp connected by HDMI cable to AMP HDMI 1 output, must I connect an optic cable from TV's output to amp's Audio input 1. All settings done according to setup manual. No sound on amp when playing You tube videos from internet. TV remote changes amp's volume.

I had a similar working setup before using a LG 55 5960 TV and a Yamaha 2010 amp. Had to replace my whole system, including cabling due to direct lightning strike

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Yes: the manual even has the Dolby Digital Plus logo in the license list.
I don't believe this is correct.

VUDU has some free Dolby Atmos demo treats encoded in DD+.

Played from my Bluray player, my receiver gets Atmos (meaning it is being sent eith DD+ and the embedded Atmos metadata is being recognized by the receiver), but when played from the EF9500 set to 'bitstream' over ARC, my receiver is only getting 5.1 (meaning Dolby Digital, not DD+).

If anyone has successfully passed DD+ from their EF9500 through ARC or optical, I'd be very interested to know how and how they tested/confirmed their success...
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I get DD+ on my 9300 via ARC kinda like dis:

LG Netflix app > HDMI ARC > OPPO 103D > HDMI > Arcam AVR750
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I get DD+ on my 9300 via ARC kinda like dis:

LG Netflix app > HDMI ARC > OPPO 103D > HDMI > Arcam AVR750
How do you know that your AVR is getting DD+?

Can you point me to a couple examples of Netflix content that is streaming in DD+? Everything I have seen on Netflix is only in 5.1 (DD or DTS)...
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"Dolby Digital +" appears on the Arcam display.

I'm on holiday skiing the steep & deep, but I'll report back in a couple weex
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"Dolby Digital +" appears on the Arcam display.

I'm on holiday skiing the steep & deep, but I'll report back in a couple weex
Great - thanks.
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If anyone has successfully passed DD+ from their EF9500 through ARC or optical, I'd be very interested to know how and how they tested/confirmed their success...
So would I, because now that I actually use Vudu--and see the DD+ on the screen--I can verify my AVR is only getting DD via optical out (don't do ARC).

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So would I, because now that I actually use Vudu--and see the DD+ on the screen--I can verify my AVR is only getting DD via optical out (don't do ARC).
Same with me. When I use my Bluray player to stream the same content, my AVR gets DD+ (actually Atmos, because of the metadata).

Through the 65EF9500 with ARC, the same VUDU Atmos demo streams only reach my AVR as 5.1 DD .
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Same with me. When I use my Bluray player to stream the same content, my AVR gets DD+ (actually Atmos, because of the metadata).

Through the 65EF9500 with ARC, the same VUDU Atmos demo streams only reach my AVR as 5.1 DD .
I keep thinking there's go to be a way to get DD+ out of this TV, but I don't see anything in the service menu (and I don't have a manual) that would suggest otherwise. Why would a (new) TV have any different streaming hardware than a DVD/BD player??

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I keep thinking there's go to be a way to get DD+ out of this TV, but I don't see anything in the service menu (and I don't have a manual) that would suggest otherwise. Why would a (new) TV have any different streaming hardware than a DVD/BD player??
Bluray player has HDMI.

TV had optical that was then morphed into ARC.

ARC may impose limitations on TV audio out that do not apply to Bluray players.
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Bluray player has HDMI.

TV had optical that was then morphed into ARC.

ARC may impose limitations on TV audio out that do not apply to Bluray players.
What kills me is we know optical (and coax) can pass 1.5 Mbs, which would support DD+ bit rates.

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As far as I'm aware, all current televisions are limited to outputting a maximum of basic 5.1 Dolby Digital signals via toslink or HDMI ARC. I haven't seen a single model that can output Dolby Digital Plus (which is the primary format used by Netflix and Amazon these days) or any other higher quality format through their internal apps. I'm not sure why, exactly, that limitation is in place, but I believe it has to do with wanting the audio signal to be the identical when it's outputting via HDMI and via optical toslink (which isn't compatible with any of the new encoding formats). It's one of the factors that can make external streaming devices more desirable with higher end setups: they can output higher quality (DD+) or even, in some cases, lossless (Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA) formats if you run them straight into your receiver.

I can understand using ARC to get audio from the television's internal apps, since there really isn't any better option available, but why would you run an external device to the television and then route the sound back to the receiver rather than just plugging the device into the receiver and letting it pass through the video signal?
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As far as I'm aware, all current televisions are limited to outputting a maximum of basic 5.1 Dolby Digital signals via toslink or HDMI ARC. I haven't seen a single model that can output Dolby Digital Plus (which is the primary format used by Netflix and Amazon these days) or any other higher quality format through their internal apps. I'm not sure why, exactly, that limitation is in place, but I believe it has to do with wanting the audio signal to be the identical when it's outputting via HDMI and via optical toslink (which isn't compatible with any of the new encoding formats). It's one of the factors that can make external streaming devices more desirable with higher end setups: they can output higher quality (DD+) or even, in some cases, lossless (Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA) formats if you run them straight into your receiver.

I can understand using ARC to get audio from the television's internal apps, since there really isn't any better option available, but why would you run an external device to the television and then route the sound back to the receiver rather than just plugging the device into the receiver and letting it pass through the video signal?
Here is at least one TV that claims it can pass Atmos (encoded within DD+) to an AVR over ARC: http://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image...3ce998838d.jpg (last pictograph).

I am still awaiting from the lone R65 owner we have here on AVS for confirmation of this, but it suggests that it is possible.

The importance of this is only for streaming HDR/4K streams directly into your smart TV and wanting DD+/Atmos sound (which is precisely what VUDU is streaming).

With an external streaming box (including a UHD Bluray player that can stream HDR/4K, this is a non-issue...
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I've been struggling trying to get ARC to work with my 65EF9500 and Denon x2200w. The consensus I guess is to just forget about it and go optical like it's 2003?

I only care because I want Netflix/Amazon in 4k/HDR and see no reason to buy a secondary box that only serves to replicate functionality I already have on other devices. I had considered the Nvidia Shield for a short time, but that doesn't do Amazon Video. I use an Xbox One for local content via Plex. The Nvidia Shield would at least handle that via Kodi/Plex + Netflix but leaves me dry on Amazon Video.

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I've been struggling trying to get ARC to work with my 65EF9500 and Denon x2200w. The consensus I guess is to just forget about it and go optical like it's 2003?

I only care because I want Netflix/Amazon in 4k/HDR and see no reason to buy a secondary box that only serves to replicate functionality I already have on other devices. I had considered the Nvidia Shield for a short time, but that doesn't do Amazon Video. I use an Xbox One for local content via Plex. The Nvidia Shield would at least handle that via Kodi/Plex + Netflix but leaves me dry on Amazon Video.

I got ARC to work with my 65EF9500 and my Onkyo 646 but disabled it a couple of days later. Turning on ARC requires also turning on CEC, which caused my receiver to switch inputs and power off at seemingly random times. Optical is another cable but it's much more predictable. I don't know what idiot decided to make ARC depend on CEC.
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I got ARC to work with my 65EF9500 and my Onkyo 646 but disabled it a couple of days later. Turning on ARC requires also turning on CEC, which caused my receiver to switch inputs and power off at seemingly random times. Optical is another cable but it's much more predictable. I don't know what idiot decided to make ARC depend on CEC.
ARC to my Marantz NR1606 is working fine. The only occasional issue is that upon power-up, it sometimes switches back to HDMI 2 after I selected Live TV (and I need to reselect Live TV a second time as a result).
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ARC to my Marantz NR1606 is working fine. The only occasional issue is that upon power-up, it sometimes switches back to HDMI 2 after I selected Live TV (and I need to reselect Live TV a second time as a result).

That's the same problem I had. Happens about 25% of the time. Annoyed the hell out of me. Optical just works.
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ARC to my Marantz NR1606 is working fine. The only occasional issue is that upon power-up, it sometimes switches back to HDMI 2 after I selected Live TV (and I need to reselect Live TV a second time as a result).
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That's the same problem I had. Happens about 25% of the time. Annoyed the hell out of me. Optical just works.
Yeah, it just seems like there is too much headache surrounding it. There shouldn't be any occasional issues or salt throwing necessary. Especially with others (the wife) using it that aren't as forgiving as we might be.
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Here is at least one TV that claims it can pass Atmos (encoded within DD+) to an AVR over ARC.

I am still awaiting from the lone R65 owner we have here on AVS for confirmation of this, but it suggests that it is possible.

The importance of this is only for streaming HDR/4K streams directly into your smart TV and wanting DD+/Atmos sound (which is precisely what VUDU is streaming).

With an external streaming box (including a UHD Bluray player that can stream HDR/4K, this is a non-issue...
That's definitely interesting. I understand a desire for backwards compatibility, but it really does hold the whole industry back, so it would certainly be nice to see some manufacturers starting to support newer standards through ARC.
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Well, I tried one more time and was able to get things working with my x2200w. As it turns out, I am getting DD+

For those curious, it is coming from Netflix.
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Well, I tried one more time and was able to get things working with my x2200w. As it turns out, I am getting DD+

For those curious, it is coming from Netflix.
Can you post your settings and the piece of Nerflix content you are using?
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Well, I tried one more time and was able to get things working with my x2200w. As it turns out, I am getting DD+



For those curious, it is coming from Netflix.

How do you know you're getting DD+?
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