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mporter hit the nail on the head. A camera panning over a field would cause motion blur of the field and when the camera stops the motion blur would go away. This is to be expected.
Folks seem to expect computer game effect where the "grass" texture is visible even when the camera is panning.
For me the test whether it is natural is if the blur is proportional to the camera speed, which would tell you it's just the blur picked up during recording.
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The other manufacturers are so far behind LG now, going on 3 years and counting, I wonder if there will ever be competition in this sector unless LG supplies the panels.
why is it that the other manufacturers are behind LG on the OLED tech? Are they the ones that invented it or something?

common sense would say that it is commercial suicide for the other companies to let LG dominate and go unchecked in the OLED market sector
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why is it that the other manufacturers are behind LG on the OLED tech? Are they the ones that invented it or something?

common sense would say that it is commercial suicide for the other companies to let LG dominate and go unchecked in the OLED market sector
Probably figure that the Chinese will steal the tech from LG anyway and they could buy the panels cheaper from the Chinese than they could develop and build them themselves.

.....and whose to say that LG has really figured out the longevity issues with the OLED material. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.
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Folks seem to expect computer game effect where the "grass" texture is visible even when the camera is panning.
For me the test whether it is natural is if the blur is proportional to the camera speed, which would tell you it's just the blur picked up during recording.
If you paused the video and the blur remained, wouldn't tha mean it's in the source? And if it went away, the TV?
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Does anyone happen to know of any stores in the Miami / Fort Lauderdale area that has any of these 2016 models on display? I will be there in a couple of weeks and would like to have a look. Thanks!

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Owners thread

If someone starts an owners thread, I think that it would be best, in my opinion, if it were to be for all the new models and not individual threads for each one.

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Does motion on Sony LCD's bother you? I'm just curious if it's something you're really sensitive to or if it's gonna be an issue for me as well. I have a Sony FALD and I think the motion is perfect so that's why I used those as an example.
I just bought an oled switching from lcd and im having a hard time getting used to the motion it seems very juddering to me. Ive tried literally every tru motion setting all of them still judder i guess im sensitive to motion i my have to go pick up the sony 940c becuase the motion on this tv is just not working for me =(. Its a shame really cause this is by far the best looking set ive ever seen in my life.
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Does anyone happen to know of any stores in the Miami / Fort Lauderdale area that has any of these 2016 models on display? I will be there in a couple of weeks and would like to have a look. Thanks!

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Go to the link below & scroll down. gl

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Go to the link below & scroll down. gl

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Does anyone happen to know of any stores in the Miami / Fort Lauderdale area that has any of these 2016 models on display? I will be there in a couple of weeks and would like to have a look. Thanks!

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I think it is the Sunrise store that received the early G model although I'm not positive. Call and ask.

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I think it is the Sunrise store that received the early G model although I'm not positive. Call and ask.

http://www.brandsmartusa.com/storelocator/index.jsp
Thank you for that, although, it looks like the store in Miami Gardens is the one with a G6, on display.

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I just bought an oled switching from lcd and im having a hard time getting used to the motion it seems very juddering to me. Ive tried literally every tru motion setting all of them still judder i guess im sensitive to motion i my have to go pick up the sony 940c becuase the motion on this tv is just not working for me =(. Its a shame really cause this is by far the best looking set ive ever seen in my life.
You can get the 940c for a good price now, but you had better hurry before they're all gone.
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^^^^ No question on that. I am amazed at the new price on the "street."
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why is it that the other manufacturers are behind LG on the OLED tech? Are they the ones that invented it or something?
common sense would say that it is commercial suicide for the other companies to let LG dominate and go unchecked in the OLED market sector
I know there are two ways to make an OLED screen, with a Blue sub pixel and a white sub pixel. The blue is supposed to be better and Samsung tried to release there unit. They built a plant, started production, made about 200 units and shut the plant down without notice or explanation. At the same time LG released there OLED with the white sub pixel and patented everything they could. I guess there patent's are so good no one is willing to play. Now after about 3 years I would say it would be so hard for anyone to come into the OLED sector and match LG's pricing.

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If you're really interested in OLED technology, this is the company that is driving innovation, and is responsible for the emitter material. Using the links found on their website will take you to analysis of display manufacturer technology and development. If this information has already been posted here, accept my apologies. In reading this thread, I've come across information that I believe needs to be explained a little more thoroughly. I've been invested in this technology since the early days, when Kodak introduced one of the very first oled screens on one of its digital cameras. Microsoft's Zune digital player also used oled screens. It's a disruptive technological breakthrough that will change display and lighting products well into the future. It's really a great story, and UDC is a good place to start learning about it.
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^ The gist is the following:

There are two types of OLED materials. Fluorescent and phosphorescent. Fluorescent OLED came first, phosphorescent OLED (PHOLED) is more efficient, using only a quarter of the energy. Universal Display were the first (?) to sell PHOLED material, and dominate the market. Available since 2003, it took a few years before PHOLED reached sufficent brightness and lifetimes. For example while red PHOLED is used in all galaxy s OLED screens, green PHOLED wasn't used until the S4. Blue PHOLED still hasn't reached the required life times yet. We will se a big jump in display brightness once it does, possibly in a few years.

For the 2016 OLEDs, LG mainly improved the efficiency of the red PHOLED (See avforums CES interview). DCI-P3 color has much harder requirements for red than green and blue, so an increase in red color purity means that less color will be thrown away by filters. In fact the DCI-P3 red is single wavelenght red slightly different from Rec.2020, which means it is not possible to completely cover both P3 and 2020 with the same three primaries.

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In OLEDs using fluorescent organic molecules only, the decay of triplet excitons is quantum mechanically forbidden by selection rules, meaning that the lifetime of triplet excitons is long and phosphorescence is not readily observed. Hence it would be expected that in fluorescent OLEDs only the formation of singlet excitons results in the emission of useful radiation, placing a theoretical limit on the internal quantum efficiency (the percentage of excitons formed that result in emission of a photon) of 25%.
However, phosphorescent OLEDs generate light from both triplet and singlet excitons, allowing the internal quantum efficiency of such devices to reach nearly 100%.
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To be further clear, LG is using phosphorescent red and green in its stack and fluorescent blue. The three, together, make "white OLED". The white is then filtered back to red, green, and blue (and 1/4 of the pixel is unfiltered to allow for white to pass through). The reason for this is the OLED material itself need not be "patterned" in production, which is hard to do well.

It's so hard to do well and efficiently that Samsung couldn't do it at scale at all with big screens. (It's fairly easy to do on small screens, the process is a lot like silkscreening, only with very expensive metal screens). Because LG doesn't have to pattern OLED material, they can make TVs. Right now no one else can.

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Nice break-down guys,

Here's hoping for long-lived blue phosphorescent OLED!
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If you paused the video and the blur remained, wouldn't tha mean it's in the source? And if it went away, the TV?
That's correct.
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Folks seem to expect computer game effect where the "grass" texture is visible even when the camera is panning.
For me the test whether it is natural is if the blur is proportional to the camera speed, which would tell you it's just the blur picked up during recording.
Yes - the source material is crucial here. I suspect when streaming action video the chances of the camera or the streaming itself can be more of a cause

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There is no such thing as usable white OLED material. No one is even thinking about how to invent white OLED material at this time.

LG's white is a stack of phosphorescent red and green and fluorescent blue. There isn't even phosphorescent blue that lasts anything near long enough at this time.

Ostensibly, there is some mitigation against color shifting because as the blue ages, it will result in less blue, which will result in less of the others because of the way they are stacked.

I remain more than skeptical this will automagically work to solve the problem, but I'm also not sure the problem is huge or important in the ~20K hour range.

We've now had this discussion 500 times or so. Maybe we could have a sticky and a policy that says, "Read the sticky" as an acceptable reply to every post that gets the facts wrong about "white OLED"?
Thanks for the info. I know I have to read up on OLED. Sounds like the days of when I made LEDs for HP. Back then we could only make white by using RBG LEDs together at the right drive current to make white before Nichia Chemical Corporation discovered how to make blue LEDs. As a offshoot they discovered that most of the emissions were in the ultraviolet region. Well UV is great to activate phosphors so then someone got the great idea we could use white phosphors on top of the die to emit white - without needing three LEDs (Red, Green, Blue) to get white with the proper current proportions.

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Any input lag numbers yet on the 2016 OLED's?
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33ms, still no adaptive-sync support.
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Anyone else deciding between the Microcenter $3500 deal for a 65EF9500 versus waiting for a 65B6 to eventually come down in price? Seems like consensus is the B6 would possibly sell for around $4000 by the holidays. That's still a $500 difference, or a gamble if prices swing either direction more than we're expecting 8 months from now.

Planning on keeping this TV for 5 years so want to be able to take full advantage of any future mainstream HDR content. EF can obviously do that, but will the B6's HDR10 and DolbyVision support be that much more important? Don't really care about 3D. Hard to say no to the EF deal, but don't want to kick myself for not being able to take full advantage of HDR content in whatever flavor content companies decide to use.

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Anyone else deciding between the Microcenter $3500 deal for a 65EF9500 versus waiting for a 65B6 to eventually come down in price? Seems like consensus is the B6 would possibly sell for around $4000 by the holidays. That's still a $500 difference, or a gamble if prices swing either direction more than we're expecting 8 months from now.

Planning on keeping this TV for 5 years so want to be able to take full advantage of any future mainstream HDR content. EF can obviously do that, but will the B6's HDR10 and DolbyVision support be that much more important? Don't really care about 3D. Hard to say no to the EF deal, but don't want to kick myself for not being able to take full advantage of HDR content in whatever flavor content companies decide to use.
If you are going to keep the set for that long then for sure get the B6 or one of the 2016 models with HDR10 and DV. Also the 2016 sets are brighter.
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If you are going to keep the set for that long then for sure get the B6 or one of the 2016 models with HDR10 and DV. Also the 2016 sets are brighter.
Even though no one knows (or has seen) if "brighter" makes a difference!

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Anyone else deciding between the Microcenter $3500 deal for a 65EF9500 versus waiting for a 65B6 to eventually come down in price? Seems like consensus is the B6 would possibly sell for around $4000 by the holidays. That's still a $500 difference, or a gamble if prices swing either direction more than we're expecting 8 months from now.

Planning on keeping this TV for 5 years so want to be able to take full advantage of any future mainstream HDR content. EF can obviously do that, but will the B6's HDR10 and DolbyVision support be that much more important? Don't really care about 3D. Hard to say no to the EF deal, but don't want to kick myself for not being able to take full advantage of HDR content in whatever flavor content companies decide to use.
$Ive decided to wait for a reducednprice B6 myself... egarly I await.

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33ms, still no adaptive-sync support.
COol, did someone reputable test out 33ms? That is much better than last years ~50ms. Shame on Adaptive Sync, that would make the display pretty amazing for gaming.
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Anyone else deciding between the Microcenter $3500 deal for a 65EF9500 versus waiting for a 65B6 to eventually come down in price? Seems like consensus is the B6 would possibly sell for around $4000 by the holidays. That's still a $500 difference, or a gamble if prices swing either direction more than we're expecting 8 months from now.

Planning on keeping this TV for 5 years so want to be able to take full advantage of any future mainstream HDR content. EF can obviously do that, but will the B6's HDR10 and DolbyVision support be that much more important? Don't really care about 3D. Hard to say no to the EF deal, but don't want to kick myself for not being able to take full advantage of HDR content in whatever flavor content companies decide to use.
IMHO, the sweet spot for advanced viewing will be the 2016 models and should easily keep you top notch for a minimum, a bare minimum, of five years. Wholesale changes in quality after the 2016 models will be modest at best. However, if you wait, you could very well see the EF topple another few hundred bucks making it an unbelievable deal by the end of this year.

Jaw dropping is jaw dropping, it's all about the picture quality and I am really waiting for the 65C6, I want 3D, to hit the stores and wait to see how much it drops in street price by late fall, early winter. If the EF's, EG's get to the "let's get rid of 'em" level and drop very near the $3K level then I would have no choice but to seriously consider either of those bad boys. For me, if the difference is over a grand, then I have to make an adult decision and stay away from emotions. But, we have to be patient to see how these prices play out and make sure we compare apples to apples. It looks like the MSRP prices for the B6 and C6 will be near to the same as last year's models which means the EF and EG prices may not fall much below where they are now.

However, I recently saw the 55" 1080P OLED at 35% below MSRP with free shipping. I presume that's still a profitable price so it is possible we'll see the 65 EF or EG drop to $3250 when the 2016 models drop in street price. It all depends on the B6 and C6 MSRP. If they go with $5,999 the street price will probably be $4,999 or below. If they start out with a MSRP of $4,999 then it gets interesting. Will street prices be $3,999? If so, then the EF's and EG's would have to drop in price significantly maybe getting close to the $3K mark.

We'll should know in a few weeks. I think it's probably worth waiting to see how this plays out before you pull the trigger, if you're waiting to see what gives you the best bang for your buck.
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