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I thought DV only requires a 8 bit panel and HDR10 requires a 10 bit panel???
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DV has an 8-bit or 10-bit base layer. This is required because 10-bit support is mandatory on UHD BD discs. A DV encoded disc will just pass that layer on non DV compatible displays. On DV compatible displays, the player will apply an optional enhancement layer which will provide the additional bits for a total of 12-bits of precision.

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The g6 while not absolute does better processing near black than the ef9500 by a very solid amount. I personally feel with the way this tv works if there is an issue with resolving near black it's more due to source material.
It supports dolby vision the same way the Vizio reference series does it...it dithers the signal down. No company has a commercial TV that had genuine 12 bit support
I don't follow the LCD camp but most likely they don't have a 12-bit consumer panel for this year either. My point was only that no current panel is "future proof" as the other poster suggested. There is always something better around the corner. We will likely see products which come closer to the DV spec for maximum brightness, color gamut, and bit precision.

For those who missed the whole "7-bit precision near black" discussion a few months ago (also mentioned in this review), it was shown that prior LG OLEDs could not smoothly display an 8-bit gradient ramp. Many of the near-black bands would display the same value. This shows up as excessive noise and color-banding in near black scenes. This was despite the panels being sold as "10-bit". Based on the early hdtvtest review, it sounds like things have improved. Yet to be seen if they now fully resolve 8-bit ramps or can actually display 10-bits.
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I apologize if this has been posted already, but a UK AV forum pasted a portion of LG's UK press release issued a day or so ago:

"In terms of pricing, the flagship G6 will cost around £5,999 for the 65-inch model and an eye-watering £24,999 for the 77-inch version. The mid-range E6 will be available for a more affordable £3,499 for the 55-inch screen size and £4,999 for the 65-inch model; whilst the C6 and B6 will cost around £2,999 for the 55-inch screen sizes and £4,499 for the 65-inch versions."

Different market, arguably different pricing, but at least we have some official looking msrp numbers from LG. Based on a currency converter, the 65" UK launch prices convert to this in dollars:
G6 $8474
E6 $7061
C6/B6 $6354

Two quick thoughts: (1) no price premium for 3D on the C6, but you have to go curved; and (2) $5999 msrp at launch in US for B6/C6 still looking like best guess.

UK forums seem equally confused over the issue of potential PQ differences between G6/E6 and C6/B6 due to allegedly different SoC.

If this kind of general pricing info is verboten let me know and I will refrain from posting this sort of thing. I'm assuming the price talk ban is meant to stop people from saying things like "get product X at price $yyyy from retailer Z," which quickly turns into an advertising forum for retailers not a tech/latest news forum.
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So we are going to have take a stand!

Don't buy the C6 because we don't like Curved TVs.
Don't buy the B6 because we want 3d.

That leaves us with...

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So we are going to have take a stand!

Don't by the C6 because we don't like Curved TVs.
Don't by the B6 because we want 3d.

That leaves us with...
A pricey E6 with a speaker we don't want/need? If the B6 has any drop off in PQ I'm sure many will head in that direction. I would need to wait for two price drops to consider.
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So we are going to have take a stand!

Don't buy the C6 because we don't like Curved TVs.
buy the B6 because we DON'T want 3d.

That leaves us with...
the B6... the math is easy!

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the B6... the math is easy!
I want the 3D so I have to get the C6 and will have to wait for it to come down if it's actually over $5k


I have(in process of return) a 65EF9500 and the 3D looks so much better than on my LG 60LA6200.


But to each his own. I just can't understand why they excluded it from the B6.

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I don't mind the curve so the C6 doesn't bother me. What I am/would be worried about is that uniformity for the curved panels could be different/worse. I guess if I was optimistic I could say they could be better
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I see two white bands. One on left, one on right in that pic.
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Well, the plot thickens! Can't wait to analyze these - especially the B6.

The litmus test for me will be: With the assumption that you only watch HD rec709 material at 100nits, would you choose one of these OLEDs or the Panasonic ZT60? And then, assuming you answer ZT60 because of superior motion, would your choice be any different if they both had equal motion?
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Well, PDP still has some unique properties (lack of sample and hold, and all that that implies for an involving picture). But I think the zero black of the OLED, now that all else is nearly equal, would sway me in that direction.
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That's what I was hoping you'd say. I think as the native refresh rate goes up (and if UHD turns out to not take off to a point where the nits are really needed the majority of the time) we may get the BFI needed to have a complete victory over PDP. Thanks for your feedback.
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I want the 3D so I have to get the C6 and will have to wait for it to come down if it's actually over $5k


I have(in process of return) a 65EF9500 and the 3D looks so much better than on my LG 60LA6200.


But to each his own. I just can't understand why they excluded it from the B6.
They exclude desirable features like 3D to lower cost, but when they don't lower the price compared to the set with 3D (the C6) it makes no sense. Except to pocket the difference in margin rather than sell more at a lower price. Not the usual approach when trying to differentiate a product line based on features/price.

Maybe they will change things up in the US or maybe the street prices will show a differential because the price retailers pay LG is a bit less for the B6. If we won't know that for 6-8 weeks I've got to find something else to do with my time rather than lurk around here over an hour a day trying not to think how much I would like one right now.
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So we are going to have take a stand!

Don't by the C6 because we don't like Curved TVs.
Don't by the B6 because we want 3d.

That leaves us with...
Buying a EF9500 for less cash and getting what you want
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Buying a EF9500 for less cash and getting what you want
That would make more sense if the reviews stopped saying how much the 2016 models are improved over the EFs.
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. If we won't know that for 6-8 weeks I've got to find something else to do with my time rather than lurk around here over an hour a day trying not to think how much I would like one right now.
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They probably dont tell us about the B6s when they're available and how the pq is cause it is the cheapest Oled and they want to sell the Es and Gs to the crazy ones ^^
The B6 will probably be as good or absolutely almost as good as the G6 for a lot less money minus the unneccesary soundbar and 3D stuff ^^
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at least... they are going to offer us a stripped down unit!

they could hold off for 6 months or a year until the higher end product gets more market saturated.

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I see two white bands. One on left, one on right in that pic.
Haha...so far wow.
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Congrats.

Please post some impressions & pictures once you have the time for it.
You don't happen to have an input lag tester, do you?
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Couple hours in and I can say 2 things so far color and definition. This may sound ridiculous but the panel seems to have more confidence as it transitions from color to color or light to dark or vice versa. No visible vignetting or banding except what was on the box . I'll post more as it gets darker here in the city of champions. Also sound wise for what's it worth..not bad. Wife factor...thinks it looks like something from the 90's..whatever..


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Banding, if you have it, won't show up with much ambient lighting. Knock on wood the band-free experience continues.
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Any harcore gamers convinced on making a purchase based on the 34ms input lag on these tvs? I love oled tech, but i'm pretty sure i'll be miserable with laggy gameplay. I'll be playing mostly fighting games online and off-line. What do you gamers advice. Do i wait for an oled tv with lesser input lag, or do you guys think its ok to pull the trigger now. Also want to ask if there is a chance the lesser models (E6, C6 and B6) might have better input lag...which i doubt
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Haha, it actually does remind me a bit of my old Sony W4000, see https://www.sony.de/support/de/product/KDL-40W4000

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Banding, if you have it, won't show up with much ambient lighting. Knock on wood the band-free experience continues.
Oh unfortunately I know where to look...
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Any harcore gamers convinced on making a purchase based on the 34ms input lag on these tvs? I love oled tech, but i'm pretty sure i'll be miserable with laggy gameplay. I'll be playing mostly fighting games online and off-line. What do you gamers advice. Do i wait for an oled tv with lesser input lag, or do you guys think its ok to pull the trigger now. Also want to ask if there is a chance the lesser models (E6, C6 and B6) might have better input lag...which i doubt
Maybe game on another TV since consoles don't support HDR or wider color gamut.

Not to mention the possibility of burn in.
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Any harcore gamers convinced on making a purchase based on the 34ms input lag on these tvs? I love oled tech, but i'm pretty sure i'll be miserable with laggy gameplay. I'll be playing mostly fighting games online and off-line. What do you gamers advice. Do i wait for an oled tv with lesser input lag, or do you guys think its ok to pull the trigger now. Also want to ask if there is a chance the lesser models (E6, C6 and B6) might have better input lag...which i doubt


34 ms is not bad at all for a tv. You'll be fine with that.
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That would make more sense if the reviews stopped saying how much the 2016 models are improved over the EFs.
Come on now, this is AVS forum once these sets get in the hands of many instead of the hands of a few that will change
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Any harcore gamers convinced on making a purchase based on the 34ms input lag on these tvs? I love oled tech, but i'm pretty sure i'll be miserable with laggy gameplay. I'll be playing mostly fighting games online and off-line. What do you gamers advice. Do i wait for an oled tv with lesser input lag, or do you guys think its ok to pull the trigger now. Also want to ask if there is a chance the lesser models (E6, C6 and B6) might have better input lag...which i doubt
I had last years model that had 52ms input lag and the near black problems so I returned it.

I just ordered the OLED55CP. 32ms lag should be much less annoying.
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Come on now, this is AVS forum once these sets get in the hands of many instead of the hands of a few that will change
Curious, (if it's ok to ask) what are you moving more of, the Sony 940D or the LG G6?
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