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anyone notice the elevated blacks in beginning credits and certain scenes in Marco Polo? both seasons
seems like a Dolby Vision bug......
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I can't help buy wonder if LG will add a model later in the year. Something flat with 3D, no soundbar, maybe picture on glass - essentially an E6 sans soundbar. Somewhere between the C6 and E6 in price. D6?

Not sure how likely it will be, but it should be a breeze for them to manufacture it. Their current line just seems, off, and I'd hope they would figure that out, if it wasn't a potential plan to begin with.
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I can't help buy wonder if LG will add a model later in the year. Something flat with 3D, no soundbar, maybe picture on glass - essentially an E6 sans soundbar. Somewhere between the C6 and E6 in price. D6?



Not sure how likely it will be, but it should be a breeze for them to manufacture it. Their current line just seems, off, and I'd hope they would figure that out, if it wasn't a potential plan to begin with.


Never gonna happen.
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This means that there is a glitch in there system and that is not good on a holiday weekend.........I know says "very active" over here......
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Im new to this but have just purchased a LG 55EG9100 - 55-Inch

I would like to do the following but have no idea how to and can only assume I need access to the service menu (whichI have no idea on how to )

When I am streaming movie from the net after a few minutes the webos black screen comes up and i need to wave the remote to get back to the movie, this is really annoying and i would like to remove this setting.

Can some one please advise , how this can be done and also provide me with any other hints and tips to get the best out of my OLED

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Hello All

Im new to this but have just purchased a LG 55EG9100 - 55-Inch

I would like to do the following but have no idea how to and can only assume I need access to the service menu (whichI have no idea on how to )

When I am streaming movie from the net after a few minutes the webos black screen comes up and i need to wave the remote to get back to the movie, this is really annoying and i would like to remove this setting.

Can some one please advise , how this can be done and also provide me with any other hints and tips to get the best out of my OLED

Thanks in advance
Cee, this isn't the right thread for questions about the 9100. If you post your question in the EG9100 thread, you're likely to get some answers.
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Clipper, have you tried unplugging to see if that helped? Does this happen on all DV sources?
@Ken Ross thanks for the help .it appears to have worked.fingers crossed.
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anyone notice the elevated blacks in beginning credits and certain scenes in Marco Polo? both seasons
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Yes, I have notice that too.

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what is the slimmest wall mount available that can be used with the E series?

everything I see instore is the typical cheap mount that extends 6 or 8 inches away from the wall.
my old C8000 lcd from 2010 has a slim 2 or 3 inch mount.

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Does anyone know if the DCI-P3 HDR colour tracking issue has been resolved in a firmware update yet? Has LG commented on the issue as yet?
No advice on this one?

I'm surprised there's not more discussion this. It was a huge issue when Mad Max Fury Road 4K came out a few months ago, with many noting strange colours on the HDR grade...
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Ok so here is a dumb novice question. I have been looking into purchase of one of these sets since last year. I have followed this forum for all that period and thankfully it saved me from purchase of the 2015 models. I read over and over about banding still evident on 16 models with a significant number of forum members. I have seen the pics of what people post here on grey slides and I see it. I have 3 best Buys in my area and I have been to all of them on multiple occasions and have not seen any of the demo content showing this. Is it that they go thru multiple panels and only put the best ones on the wall or what ? Maybe I am naive but I can't believe big box stores would go thru the hassle of that. it tremendously harder to see in 4K ? Is it the settings so bright it is masked ? Educate me , please.
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Yes, store lighting and brighter content will mostly obscure the problem near black, which is where the uniformity problems are typically visible. When you get it home, you may occasionally see it in dark viewing. It's not unheard of in 2016 to be seen on brighter solid backgrounds either but typically very faint. If you go in expecting perfection, you will be disappointed. This is a nut LG has yet to crack (improve immensely, yes).
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I posted this in the lag thread by mistake, I meant to post it here...

Has the E6 (or any of the 2016 LG's I guess) been compared by anybody to the Panasonic OLED? I know the Panny was compared favorably to last years but I doubt it would be better than this years but I don't know. I do know it's very high in input lag, higher than any LG right now. Does it have the same or similar panel to this years LG's?
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I can't help buy wonder if LG will add a model later in the year. Something flat with 3D, no soundbar, maybe picture on glass - essentially an E6 sans soundbar. Somewhere between the C6 and E6 in price. D6?

Not sure how likely it will be, but it should be a breeze for them to manufacture it. Their current line just seems, off, and I'd hope they would figure that out, if it wasn't a potential plan to begin with.
I think it is more likely that there will be an "A6" stripped-down model than a "D6". The EG910V/EG9100 seems to be disappearing from shops and the price difference between that and the 2016 OLEDs is very large. Will be difficult to get very big sales volume with the current prices.

Of course, if the B6 soon drops down to EG910V-like prices I could not complain - but those who already bought one might feel a little miffed
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Does anyone know if the DCI-P3 HDR colour tracking issue has been resolved in a firmware update yet? Has LG commented on the issue as yet?
Well I've answered my own question. From HDTVTest's review:

Update 3 July 2016: We’ve calibrated a 55in and two 65in LG E6 OLEDs with the latest firmware this week, and they now track Rec.2020 colour saturation points correctly.
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I think it is more likely that there will be an "A6" stripped-down model than a "D6". The EG910V/EG9100 seems to be disappearing from shops and the price difference between that and the 2016 OLEDs is very large. Will be difficult to get very big sales volume with the current prices.

Of course, if the B6 soon drops down to EG910V-like prices I could not complain - but those who already bought one might feel a little miffed
When the prices were first announced I thought LG should have had an "A6" model that would have most of the specs of the B6 but without HDR or something like that. With the price drops on the B6 already though it seems like that wouldn't have been necessary. I have already seen the 55 B6 at Best Buy for 2700 (or maybe 2800) so by Christmas time and and early next year when the 2017 OLED's are on the way the B6 should be close to 9100 range
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I posted this in the lag thread by mistake, I meant to post it here...

Has the E6 (or any of the 2016 LG's I guess) been compared by anybody to the Panasonic OLED? I know the Panny was compared favorably to last years but I doubt it would be better than this years but I don't know. I do know it's very high in input lag, higher than any LG right now. Does it have the same or similar panel to this years LG's?
It's been discontinued but since it was officially a 2015 model and curved, it apparently came from the same facility as the panels used for the EG9600.
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3d e6

sorry if its been asked b4, but what resolution do we get from e6 passive 3d,is it halved like full hd 3d sets passive 3d..id want full hd 3d ,and also what are some peoples in depth opinion on quality of 3d with e6.as im coming from pana plasma full hd 3d and ive nevr liked any full hd passive 3d as i can see lines n such as its being halved.thank you

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When the prices were first announced I thought LG should have had an "A6" model that would have most of the specs of the B6 but without HDR or something like that. With the price drops on the B6 already though it seems like that wouldn't have been necessary. I have already seen the 55 B6 at Best Buy for 2700 (or maybe 2800) so by Christmas time and and early next year when the 2017 OLED's are on the way the B6 should be close to 9100 range
The B6 is already a moderately gimped version of the C6 (no 3D, which most consumers don't care about, but also a worse SoC, which more might be bothered by). Despite that, LG currently seems intent on selling it at the same price as the C6. Since a flat panel shouldn't cost any more than a curved panel to manufacture, and the higher quality SoC wouldn't contribute that much (percentage-wise) to the cost of a $5,000 television, it suggests to me that LG really isn't interested in pushing sales numbers on the B6, instead nudging potential buyers toward the either C6 or the E6.

Since the B6 is definitely a rung lower on the technology ladder than the C6 (not a huge difference, but enough to be noticeable for some classes of users; apparently the extra input lag is enough to frustrate gamers), LG might choose to start discounting it further than the C6 and treating it as more of an entry-level set if they decide to close out the EG9100, but the fact that they're currently marketing the B6 as a sister-set to the C6 and seem to be happy enough with whatever the resulting sales numbers are (including however many people that's pushing to buy the C6 or E6) makes such a price drop unlikely in my eyes.
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I just gave calibration with a meter a go on my 55e6 and all went ok except for the blue coulor in the cms, I can only get the Delta to around 2.5.
I have tried to change saturation, tint and luminace and I can't get it any lower.
Anyone got a clue why?.
Anyone eles has this problem?
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I just gave calibration with a meter a go on my 55e6 and all went ok except for the blue coulor in the cms, I can only get the Delta to around 2.5.
I have tried to change saturation, tint and luminace and I can't get it any lower.
Anyone got a clue why?.
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The LG CMS does not work well at all, especially Blue. Using any more than a click or two can bring out unwanted artifacts and should be avoided. For the most accurate, non abused result, adjust Grayscale and Gamma first, and then use the Color and Tint controls if, and only if, Caucasian flesh tones are incorrect.
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The LG CMS does not work well at all, especially Blue. Using any more than a click or two can bring out unwanted artifacts and should be avoided. For the most accurate, non abused result, adjust Grayscale and Gamma first, and then use the Color and Tint controls if, and only if, Caucasian flesh tones are incorrect.

Ok thanks for fast answer, I guess I have to measure grayscale again after tinkering with color and tint(If i need to touch those) and what kind of artifacts?.

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Of course, if the B6 soon drops down to EG910V-like prices I could not complain - but those who already bought one might feel a little miffed
It will not be soon, but the TV business is a race to zero, who can get there the fastest....lol.
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Ok thanks for fast answer, I guess I have to measure grayscale again after tinkering with color and tint(If i need to touch those) and what kind of artifacts?.
There was some discussion a week or two ago concerning artifacts and it had more to do with cartoon content but it made a good point. When using the CMS on most occasions little to nothing would happen with a couple of adjustment clicks. Then, one more click might make a large adjustment much like the LG OLED Brightness control. Fortunately the LGs have the best out of the box color accuracy I've ever seen.

If human flesh seems "off" you might do one thing with the CMS. This before and after graphic shows what might happen (measurements from my 55E6P). The Before segment is after calibration using the CMS with 100% saturation, 75% luminance. The After segment is the same except Red was adjusted using 75% saturation, 75% luminance.

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I posted this in the lag thread by mistake, I meant to post it here...

Has the E6 (or any of the 2016 LG's I guess) been compared by anybody to the Panasonic OLED? I know the Panny was compared favorably to last years but I doubt it would be better than this years but I don't know. I do know it's very high in input lag, higher than any LG right now. Does it have the same or similar panel to this years LG's?
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It's been discontinued but since it was officially a 2015 model and curved, it apparently came from the same facility as the panels used for the EG9600.
I see. That is interesting because the 9600 was considered one of the most flawed LG's, and yet the Panasonic OLED was considered better than all the 2015 ones except for input lag.



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The B6 is already a moderately gimped version of the C6 (no 3D, which most consumers don't care about, but also a worse SoC, which more might be bothered by). Despite that, LG currently seems intent on selling it at the same price as the C6. Since a flat panel shouldn't cost any more than a curved panel to manufacture, and the higher quality SoC wouldn't contribute that much (percentage-wise) to the cost of a $5,000 television, it suggests to me that LG really isn't interested in pushing sales numbers on the B6, instead nudging potential buyers toward the either C6 or the E6.

Since the B6 is definitely a rung lower on the technology ladder than the C6 (not a huge difference, but enough to be noticeable for some classes of users; apparently the extra input lag is enough to frustrate gamers), LG might choose to start discounting it further than the C6 and treating it as more of an entry-level set if they decide to close out the EG9100, but the fact that they're currently marketing the B6 as a sister-set to the C6 and seem to be happy enough with whatever the resulting sales numbers are (including however many people that's pushing to buy the C6 or E6) makes such a price drop unlikely in my eyes.
I see what you are saying but I do still think 2K is gonna happen by early next year. The 9100 was selling at my BB for $1,799 a few weeks ago and now since they got the B6 it's been pushed to $1,300! I doubt we will see either the B6 or C6 go to there in it's production cycle but I think 2K is likely and who knows. I didn't think BB would have it at 2,799 so soon.

And I wouldn't really mind having the C6 since LG's curve doesn't bother me and it has some other slight advantages but I am probably going for the B6.

Oh and btw I have been been meaning to ask what SoC stands for because I keep seeing it mentioned but am unsure what you guys are talking about...?
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I just gave calibration with a meter a go on my 55e6 and all went ok except for the blue coulor in the cms, I can only get the Delta to around 2.5.
I have tried to change saturation, tint and luminace and I can't get it any lower.
Anyone got a clue why?.
Anyone eles has this problem?
The blue correction issue seems to be inherent to the 2016 OLEDs, since Rtings specifically mentioned the exact issue you describe in their review of the E6. I think Buzz has the right answer here: just correct everything else the best you can, then try some slight tweaks to modify the blue shift and see if they make things look better or worse overall.
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Oh and btw I have been been meaning to ask what SoC stands for because I keep seeing it mentioned but am unsure what you guys are talking about...?
SoC stands for System on [a] Chip. It's basically the main processor for the television.
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Update 3 July 2016: We’ve calibrated a 55in and two 65in LG E6 OLEDs with the latest firmware this week, and they now track Rec.2020 colour saturation points correctly.
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Now all we need is a FW upgrade to implement some tone mapping to prevent clipping of the highlights from HDR.
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sorry if its been asked b4, but what resolution do we get from e6 passive 3d,is it halved like full hd 3d sets passive 3d..id want full hd 3d ,and also what are some peoples in depth opinion on quality of 3d with e6.as im coming from pana plasma full hd 3d and ive nevr liked any full hd passive 3d as i can see lines n such as its being halved.thank you
Resolution on a 2160P set is 1080p per eye. You are getting Full HD resolution per eye just like on your Panasonic only Passive 3D vs. Active. I owned a 65VT60 and loved the set and the 3D was impressive. 3d on a OLED is nothing short of stellar. It is the best you can get.
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I see. That is interesting because the 9600 was considered one of the most flawed LG's, and yet the Panasonic OLED was considered better than all the 2015 ones except for input lag.
To be fair, it was also the first released OLED TV of model year 2015. It took until what felt like the end of the year, but they did make improvements (perhaps even with Panasonic's help).
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