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Well now you got the G6 HDMI port count wrong.
Yep, caught that one already. Thanks.

OOPS still wrong.
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Are the B/C back firing or down firing?

And is the E really 2.2 sound?
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With a 10-bit panel, the processing should be a minimum of 12-bits and it should really be 16-bits.
Yes, the processor should be using 12 or 16 bit LUT's, and then dithered to 10-bits for the panel driver stage, and should not suffer any significant banding [1], [2].

In the picture below, the lines marked "12 bit PQ" are what should be achievable with 10bit+dither, since dithering seems to add about 2 extra bits. As long as that line is below the purple dotted line (Barten CSF) then banding will be invisible. So there is even a bit of a headroom there in case the processing fudges it down to ~11bit.


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Maybe LG is doing 12 bit processing because of the Dolby Vision?

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The only thing that i'm not sure if it was mentioned was do you think the PQ will be the same on the G6/E6 vs the C6/B6 given that the G6/E6 is that new special panel on glass?

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A quick pseudo chart.

I figure this will be easiest for others to cut&paste into further discussions.


MODEL|_____SHAPE
_____3D_____HDMI_____SPEAKER_____WATTAGE/SOUND
-----+---------------------------------------------------------
__B6_|_____flat_____none______3________back________40W__4.0
__C6_|____curved____yes_______3________back________40W__4.0
__E6_|_____flat_____yes_______3______soundbar______40W__2.2
__G6_|_____flat_____yes_______4______soundbar______60W__4.2



Please tell me what's incorrect


Good good, perhaps mentioning "passive" instead of "yes" for the uninitiated in the 3D column would be helpful.
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FYI if anyone in the SF/bay area wants to see a G6, they have one on display at the best buy / magnolia in San Carlos.
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Good good, perhaps mentioning "passive" instead of "yes" for the uninitiated in the 3D column would be helpful.
Kind of wondering that too.

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MODEL|_____SHAPE_____3D_____HDMI_____SPEAKER_____WATTAGE/SOUND
-----+---------------------------------------------------------
__B6_|_____flat_____none______3________back________40W__4.0
__C6_|____curved___passive____3________back________40W__4.0
__E6_|_____flat____passive____3______soundbar______40W__2.2
__G6_|_____flat____passive____4______soundbar______60W__4.2


Are the back speakers in the b and c "rear" or "down" firing?
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Are the back speakers in the b and c "rear" or "down" firing?
Given that the 9500 series are down-firing, I would go with that. They also sound better than most flat panel TVs (probably because the are a bit thicker, since the bottom part of the TV is thicker).

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FYI if anyone in the SF/bay area wants to see a G6, they have one on display at the best buy / magnolia in San Carlos.

Also at the Sunnyvale Frys.
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Just saw the G6 at the Fry's in Vegas(been working in Henderson the past couple weeks). Right near the front entrance, bright lights, etc. Won't comment on pq. Style wise I thought it looked pretty sleek. And no, I didn't run into Vegas Oled
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Lucky for you it's a leap year or you'd be waiting a long time!
At first glance, as the "snowman" may say, seems like the G6's are "on schedule".
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Yes, the processor should be using 12 or 16 bit LUT's, and then dithered to 10-bits for the panel driver stage, and should not suffer any significant banding

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In the picture below, the lines marked "12 bit PQ" are what should be achievable with 10bit+dither, since dithering seems to add about 2 extra bits. As long as that line is below the purple dotted line (Barten CSF) then banding will be invisible. So there is even a bit of a headroom there in case the processing fudges it down to ~11bit.

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Thanks for that. Out of interest, is the SMPTE ST 2084:2014 specification free and publicly available?

I've searched for it, but all I could find was a link to the IEEE website and it looks (at a glance) like they charge $80 to download a copy. I'm interested in the details, but not to the extent that I would pay that for the privilege.

Thanks.
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I heard from Robert at VE who asked LG the question that the G6 is doing 12 bit processing and dithering down to the 10 bit panel which makes sense since Dolby Vision is 12 bit processing.

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A quick pseudo chart.

I figure this will be easiest for others to cut&paste into further discussions.


MODEL|_____SHAPE
_____3D_____HDMI_____SPEAKER_____WATTAGE/SOUND
-----+---------------------------------------------------------
__B6_|_____flat_____none______3________back________40W__4.0
__C6_|____curved___passive____3________back________40W__4.0
__E6_|_____flat____passive____3______soundbar______40W__2.2
__G6_|_____flat____passive____4______soundbar______60W__4.2



Please tell me what's incorrect


As can be seen in this video posted on YouTube on Feb 15, the E6 actually features 4 HDMI ports.


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Well, at least the preproduction model that they had on display...
I'm not convinced.

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Thanks for that. Out of interest, is the SMPTE ST 2084:2014 specification free and publicly available?



I've searched for it, but all I could find was a link to the IEEE website and it looks (at a glance) like they charge $80 to download a copy. I'm interested in the details, but not to the extent that I would pay that for the privilege.



Thanks.

ST.2084 is a SMPTE standard that you have to pay for.

Here is a PDF of ST.2084 8bit levels with their corresponding luminance levels in Nits (cd/m2) from 0 to 10,000 nits.

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Has anyone been able to do any input lag testing on the G6 or E6 or any gaming? Looking to possibly replace my still awesome KRP-600M with the 65" E6 or G6, but this would be going down in my man cave / theater area where my game consoles are located.

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Has anyone been able to do any response time / lag testing on the G6 or E6 or any gaming? Looking to possibly replace my still awesome KRP-600M with the 65" E6 or G6, but this would be going down in my man cave / theater area where my game consoles are located.

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Response time is 0 ms like all oleds.

Input lag time is like 33 ms.
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FYI if anyone in the SF/bay area wants to see a G6, they have one on display at the best buy / magnolia in San Carlos.
It is on display at Sunnyvale Frys as well, I saw it yesterday and it is sweet, but maybe not the most impactful demo. It runs a loop that shows a live band/DJ mix and shows some of the features of the remote and zoom in. The sound is decent for a TV.

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When looking at how good a particular tv is for gaming, both lag time and response time is typically looked at. Because the 2016 oled response time is 0 (superb) and lag is 33 ms (fair/good), will this combination of measurements end up being as good as a Samsung led like the JS7500, which has a response time of 8.9 ms and a lag time of 21.1 ms (per ratings.com)?

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As can be seen in this video posted on YouTube on Feb 15, the E6 actually features 4 HDMI ports.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGgo8LBB1Y
There is some confusion right now on the number of HDMI inputs for the E6. The US website lists 3 and shows 3 on the side picture while Amazon lists 4 and shows 3 in the pic. The video shows 4 so it is unclear if a change was made or if it will vary from one region to another. That video was shot in Europe.
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any speculation on the price of the 65" B series?
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any speculation on the price of the 65" B series?
Probably around $5K. So far G6 is around $7K and the E6 is around $6K. Check out the OLED Deals section for specific vendors and pricing.
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Probably around $5K. So far G6 is around $7K and the E6 is around $6K. Check out the OLED Deals section for specific vendors and pricing.
I took a look at the G6 today in San Carlos, CA. They had it outside the Magnolia department under their overhead florescent lighting. There was an $8k price tag laying on the table it was sitting on. Maybe that was for the table.

I ask a Magnolia "designer" why they put it in such a crappy spot, and he said that he didn't know except that "they" wanted more people to see it. There was nothing around the set to say what it was. They did have a Denon HD player connected to it, and he started the demo for me. When I walked in I didn't notice the G6 because is wasn't on.

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I took a look at the G6 today in San Carlos, CA. They had it outside the Magnolia department under their overhead florescent lighting. There was an $8k price tag laying on the table it was sitting on. Maybe that was for the table.

I ask a Magnolia "designer" why they put it in such a crappy spot, and he said that he didn't know except that "they" wanted more people to see it. There was nothing around the set to say what it was. They did have a Denon HD player connected to it, and he started the demo for me. When I walked in I didn't notice the G6 because is wasn't on.

If they carry the B6, I wonder where they will put it.
LG US website price for 65-inch G6 is $7999 so what you saw was right.

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I took a look at the G6 today in San Carlos, CA. They had it outside the Magnolia department under their overhead florescent lighting. There was an $8k price tag laying on the table it was sitting on. Maybe that was for the table.
I was there today, too. Walked over from my house (~5 miles, good workout in this strangely spring-like weather).
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I ask a Magnolia "designer" why they put it in such a crappy spot, and he said that he didn't know except that "they" wanted more people to see it. There was nothing around the set to say what it was. They did have a Denon HD player connected to it, and he started the demo for me. When I walked in I didn't notice the G6 because is wasn't on.

If they carry the B6, I wonder where they will put it.
The only thing worse than the location was the demo material. LG has (a) nothing with any motion (b) minimal stuff that shows any intrascene contrast. It does have stuff that shows off the useless zoom feature! Which looks bad! Woot!

The TV looked good anyway, I though, to the extent the irrelevant demo material could show off what it could do.

In my mind the sound bar is an aesthetic mess and I would be loathe to buy the G6 for any price. Maybe the E6 version will look better? (does it look different?) The shiny horizontal lines will detract from viewing for anyone who table mounts the set. Pretend they won't and you'll eventually decide you don't mind, but wow it's a weird aesthetic.

I'm cautiously bullish on the B6 based on what I saw.

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I'm cautiously bullish on the B6 based on what I saw.
If I was a buyer now, the B6 is the only one that I'm interested in checking out. Back when the Magnolia store first opened in San Jose and Magnolia management was still Magnolia, it was possible to spend quality time with the displays of interest.
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E6 for me (soundbar aside), as it may be the last chance to appreciate 3D in its current incarnation short of VR or some future tech (that may or may not materialize for the consumer) that enables glasses-free viewing. It's a dimension of home cinema that has been fairly poorly implemented until recently (and still is not without pitfalls like tight vertical viewing angles). I only wish the 77" screen was attainable.

It sounds like short of Robert and Value Electronics, all the demos are worthless (due to environmental reasons) other than maybe checking for early signs of IR or burn-in from the video loop. This was the only definitive thing I could get out of Fry's demo of the 2014 models.
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