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FYI if anyone in the SF/bay area wants to see a G6, they have one on display at the best buy / magnolia in San Carlos.
they've got them here in the city too
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Thanks for that. Out of interest, is the SMPTE ST 2084:2014 specification free and publicly available?

I've searched for it, but all I could find was a link to the IEEE website and it looks (at a glance) like they charge $80 to download a copy. I'm interested in the details, but not to the extent that I would pay that for the privilege.

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I was there today, too. Walked over from my house (~5 miles, good workout in this strangely spring-like weather).


The only thing worse than the location was the demo material. LG has (a) nothing with any motion (b) minimal stuff that shows any intrascene contrast. It does have stuff that shows off the useless zoom feature! Which looks bad! Woot!

The TV looked good anyway, I though, to the extent the irrelevant demo material could show off what it could do.

In my mind the sound bar is an aesthetic mess and I would be loathe to buy the G6 for any price. Maybe the E6 version will look better? (does it look different?) The shiny horizontal lines will detract from viewing for anyone who table mounts the set. Pretend they won't and you'll eventually decide you don't mind, but wow it's a weird aesthetic.

I'm cautiously bullish on the B6 based on what I saw.
You can't take the soundbar off?

I really want the E6 for a last shot at 3D but sounds more like the B6 will be the smart buy.
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I took a look at the G6 today in San Carlos, CA. They had it outside the Magnolia department under their overhead florescent lighting. There was an $8k price tag laying on the table it was sitting on. Maybe that was for the table.

I ask a Magnolia "designer" why they put it in such a crappy spot, and he said that he didn't know except that "they" wanted more people to see it. There was nothing around the set to say what it was. They did have a Denon HD player connected to it, and he started the demo for me. When I walked in I didn't notice the G6 because is wasn't on.

If they carry the B6, I wonder where they will put it.
That's the problem with how some of the retailers are displaying these, even when they're on (). There's little for the consumer to see in store lighting that makes them think "gee, this is really much better".
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I was there today, too. Walked over from my house (~5 miles, good workout in this strangely spring-like weather).


The only thing worse than the location was the demo material. LG has (a) nothing with any motion (b) minimal stuff that shows any intrascene contrast. It does have stuff that shows off the useless zoom feature! Which looks bad! Woot!

The TV looked good anyway, I though, to the extent the irrelevant demo material could show off what it could do.

In my mind the sound bar is an aesthetic mess and I would be loathe to buy the G6 for any price. Maybe the E6 version will look better? (does it look different?) The shiny horizontal lines will detract from viewing for anyone who table mounts the set. Pretend they won't and you'll eventually decide you don't mind, but wow it's a weird aesthetic.

I'm cautiously bullish on the B6 based on what I saw.
Funny, it didn't strike me as being that bad when I saw it. Gorgeous no, but not that bad. At least from the pix, the E6 looks very similar.
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E6 for me (soundbar aside), as it may be the last chance to appreciate 3D in its current incarnation short of VR or some future tech (that may or may not materialize for the consumer) that enables glasses-free viewing. It's a dimension of home cinema that has been fairly poorly implemented until recently (and still is not without pitfalls like tight vertical viewing angles). I only wish the 77" screen was attainable.

It sounds like short of Robert and Value Electronics, all the demos are worthless (due to environmental reasons) other than maybe checking for early signs of IR or burn-in from the video loop. This was the only definitive thing I could get out of Fry's demo of the 2014 models.
Robert had been running one of my edited 4K videos on his 9500 OLED. I assume he's running the LG demo loop on the G.
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I've got a 3D set (Sammy HU8550) now that I put the glasses on once, and realized 3D was not for me. Different strokes for different folks. As others have said, the soundbar leaves me underwhelmed. My stepson just installed an EF9500, and it looks great. We were playing some 4k demo content from a usb thumbdrive on it, and it was blowing us away. I'll probably end up with a B6 as soon as the first price drop hits the street. Hope it's not going to be next year. Wish LG would have led with the B6. Oh well, patience.
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Response time is 0 ms like all oleds.

Input lag time is like 33 ms.
The LG is the ultimate gaming display for PC users. I mostly use my 9200 OLED and it's SO MUCH better then my plasma, or Samsung JS9500 for gaming.

If you can maintain 60 FPS, there is absolutely zero motion blur because of the response time and the intrascene contrast makes a big difference for gaming. I couldn't believe how much better games looked on the OLED. Much more of a three dimensional image, and gaming in 4k is freaking amazing. Played Dying Light and I get so freaked out at night because sometimes in my dark room, I can't even see the TV and all I hear is freaking Zombies all around. Lol.

Absolute black, makes a HUGE difference when gaming. Even the slightest glow from a backlight, would ruin that effect for dark areas in games.
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Also, I recommend everyone check out the first few minute of the Crouching Tiger sequel on netflix. It's simply some of the best 4K I've ever seen. If I didn't know any better, I'd think my 9200 was display Dolby Vision HDR, as it looked that freaking amazing. I wonder if it was mastered in Dolby Vision? getting crazy colors and highlights but it's obviously not activating HDR on my set.
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I've got a 3D set (Sammy HU8550) now that I put the glasses on once, and realized 3D was not for me. Different strokes for different folks. As others have said, the soundbar leaves me underwhelmed. My stepson just installed an EF9500, and it looks great. We were playing some 4k demo content from a usb thumbdrive on it, and it was blowing us away. I'll probably end up with a B6 as soon as the first price drop hits the street. Hope it's not going to be next year. Wish LG would have led with the B6. Oh well, patience.
You echo what many others have said regarding 3D but you have to experience passive 3D on an OLED first. It's really so much better then any other 3D. Many people who either disliked 3D or were meh about it, become 3D converts! It's really that much better!

It's too bad that OLED wasn't around when 3D started in the home, as if people were able to experience 3D like only an OLED is capable of, then 3D might have had a much more successful go around.

Now, it looks like VR will be the next repository for 3D content.
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This thread is ONLY for the discussion of the listed LG models. It's not for any generic OLED discussions and it's certainly not for outright trashing of the technology or these models.
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Probably around $5K. So far G6 is around $7K and the E6 is around $6K. Check out the OLED Deals section for specific vendors and pricing.

Curious as to what you get for an extra $2K, spec-wise. I'm sure there's lots of 'ultra' this and 'pro' that, but will the average videophile be able to see a difference between a G and an E in a dark room?


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I may be wrong, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the pq the same across the line? I thought the only differences were 3D, sound, and panel thickness and composition.
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I've got a 3D set now that I put the glasses on once, and realized 3D was not for me. Different strokes for different folks.
I didn't think much of 3D on my last set either (screen was too dim, glasses were bulky and uncomfortable thanks to being active). Others who couldn't be bothered with 3D before are finding LG OLED actually makes it desirable. It's unfortunate the low end model this year will prevent many from finding out what they're missing.

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Robert had been running one of my edited 4K videos on his 9500 OLED. I assume he's running the LG demo loop on the G.
I agree that's likely, but as you know Robert actually allowed customers to bring in some low stimulus patterns and get up close and personal with the screen.

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I'm sure there's lots of 'ultra' this and 'pro' that, but will the average videophile be able to see a difference between a G and an E in a dark room?
The specs are identical short of the sound bar details and # of HDMI ports. No one should be able to see a difference between the two. And without a 3D filter, the B6 might even have better white uniformity on average...
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Had a Magnolia manager tell me yesterday that he preordered the 77" for a customer at $16k.
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The specs are identical short of the sound bar details and # of HDMI ports. No one should be able to see a difference between the two. And without a 3D filter, the B6 might even have better white uniformity on average...

Thanks for the info! That might drive OLED into Affordabletown.


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And if you care about 3D you need only move up to the C6 model. Sure, it's curved and all else being equal I prefer a flat screen but I much prefer the simplicity of the C6 model over the aesthetic muddle of the E6 and G6 models. Also, the curve on the OLED models seem less aggressive than those from Samsung.

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Had a Magnolia manager tell me yesterday that he preordered the 77" for a customer at $16k.

Was this a special circumstance one time deal or should we expect the entry price to start at this lower price point?
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You can't take the soundbar off?
No, you cannot. It has the electronics for the TV.
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I really want the E6 for a last shot at 3D but sounds more like the B6 will be the smart buy.
I think so, but others might disagree.

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Funny, it didn't strike me as being that bad when I saw it. Gorgeous no, but not that bad. At least from the pix, the E6 looks very similar.
Well, I didn't care for it. More importantly, though, I had a woman with me whose reaction was far more negative than mine. I mention this not because all women see things the same, but that everyone who lives with one might want to check the WAF.

It's too bad the E6 looks the same.

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Was this a special circumstance one time deal or should we expect the entry price to start at this lower price point?
I really hope it means they've come to their senses on actually wanting to sell (a few more units of) that model.
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Why does the B6 weight 7.7 pounds more than C6?

On the LG site they list the weight without stand at 48.7 pds for the B6 and 41 pds for the C6. Allegedly the only difference is the C6 has a curved screen and supports 3D.
If anything the C6 should be slightly heavier. They appear to have the same sound specs.

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The LG is the ultimate gaming display for PC users. I mostly use my 9200 OLED and it's SO MUCH better then my plasma, or Samsung JS9500 for gaming.

If you can maintain 60 FPS, there is absolutely zero motion blur because of the response time and the intrascene contrast makes a big difference for gaming. I couldn't believe how much better games looked on the OLED. Much more of a three dimensional image, and gaming in 4k is freaking amazing. Played Dying Light and I get so freaked out at night because sometimes in my dark room, I can't even see the TV and all I hear is freaking Zombies all around. Lol.

Absolute black, makes a HUGE difference when gaming. Even the slightest glow from a backlight, would ruin that effect for dark areas in games.
Let's not confuse motion blur with ghosting. If LG's OLEDs had zero motion blur, the moving text in the test below would be perfectly legible.
http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&p...uit=0&height=0
It is not the case because LG's OLEDS are all sample-and-hold displays, without any low persistence mode like black frame insertion. Frame interpolation (Tru-motion, as LG calls it) reduces motion blur, but is not practical for gaming due to the increase in input lag.
Hopefully the 2016 models will add support for black frame insertion.
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On the LG site they list the weight without stand at 48.7 pds for the B6 and 41 pds for the C6. Allegedly the only difference is the C6 has a curved screen and supports 3D.
If anything the C6 should be slightly heavier. They appear to have the same sound specs.

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The curve may let the C6 stay upright and rigid with less enforcement. (Speculation.)
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Curious as to what you get for an extra $2K, spec-wise. I'm sure there's lots of 'ultra' this and 'pro' that, but will the average videophile be able to see a difference between a G and an E in a dark room?


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From what I understand the G6 and the E6 have the same panel and the PQ is supposed to be the same.

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I didn't think much of 3D on my last set either (screen was too dim, glasses were bulky and uncomfortable thanks to being active). Others who couldn't be bothered with 3D before are finding LG OLED actually makes it desirable. It's unfortunate the low end model this year will prevent many from finding out what they're missing.

Conan beat me to it.

I agree that's likely, but as you know Robert actually allowed customers to bring in some low stimulus patterns and get up close and personal with the screen.
I watched Avatar in 3D on the G6 in the Value Electronics showroom and it looked great. Just as good as my Samsung LCD. The picture was plenty bright without having to bump up the backlight like I have to do on my Samsung. Then Robert lowered the lights a little and we all thought it looked great.

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Was this a special circumstance one time deal or should we expect the entry price to start at this lower price point?
He mentioned that their price was just lowered. I didn't press him on it as that's still an obscene price. He seemed pretty knowledgable on Oled. But as they say, until they are out in the wild, he could have been full of it.

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Ok, more confusion on my end. Reading through the noise online, is it right to say that all 4 are HDR10, but only the G has DV?
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No, you cannot. It has the electronics for the TV.

Well, I didn't care for it. More importantly, though, I had a woman with me whose reaction was far more negative than mine. I mention this not because all women see things the same, but that everyone who lives with one might want to check the WAF.

It's too bad the E6 looks the same.
I'm sure this sounds like "dog-piling on", but I really like the simple lines (and no sound-bar) of the 9500 series. Besides the fact that I don't use the TV's built-in speakers, I like the way the clear base makes it look like the display is floating (and I also like the lighted LG logo when it's off).

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I was quoted 78,000RMB by a local dealer here in Guangzhou for the 77-inch G6. Also, the old E series 77-inch model is now popping up all over the place; a few days ago in Hong Kong I saw it on display as "just released" at the IFC mall. Weird happenings.
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