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To be honest I think most if not all have a flash to some degree wether g or e but the b is what I'm intrigued about as to if it will have it or not. I haven't heard anything about the c either
Given that all the sets are supposed to have the same electronics and OLED technology, my guess is that it probably will have the same problems as all the rest of the models minus any 3D issues.

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To be honest I think most if not all have a flash to some degree wether g or e but the b is what I'm intrigued about as to if it will have it or not. I haven't heard anything about the c either
An owner of a 55C6 has reported this: "the screen will rapidly shift color for about a single frame - the overall image is still there, but the color is way off." Could this be the white flashing you guys are reporting?

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Yea LG better get ready for a massive recall if it's hardware related because I think everyone is getting that flash!
I have not seen any flash on my 65 E6.
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Looks great, small suggestion... remove that glass table, that's like the worst thing you can do for audio acoustics! Put some small stands on the side of the sofa. I use the same layout, two RF-7s spread pretty far apart and 2 SVS PB13 Ultra subs in-between those and the TV. Even with OLED, I feel sound is more important but damn does OLED and 7.2.4 make a good combo.

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Looks great, small suggestion... remove that glass table, that's like the worst thing you can do for audio acoustics! Put some small stands on the side of the sofa. I use the same layout, two RF-7s spread pretty far apart and 2 SVS PB13 Ultra subs in-between those and the TV. Even with OLED, I feel sound is more important but damn does OLED and 7.2.4 make a good combo.
It's a living room so the table stays. I have tried it without the table there and did not notice any difference.

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That is a mighty nice picture you have there Drew !!
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It's a living room so the table stays. I have tried it without the table there and did not notice any difference.
Do you see the TV reflection in it when sitting?
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Nice... great arrangement... now you need a ATMOS setup..
May not be possible but I suggest the center speaker be removed from the cabinet too.
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IR appears but does disappear after the comp cycle. So far I'm not seeing any in regular content.



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IR appears but does disappear after the comp cycle. So far I'm not seeing any in regular content.


Damn you been watching alot of CNN huh lol
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Damn you been watching alot of CNN huh lol
Actually it happens very quickly. I got two IR blobs from watching Deadliest Catch, so only an hour show less commercials. My local BB has a 55E6 with some serious Burn-in from the LG 4k demo logo loop that plays. They've got LG coming out to see it. They're shocked to see it.


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I can't believe how good the viewing angle is on this thing.



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I did not see anything in the article that relates to flashes. Floating blacks is not the same thing.
Here is the note they mentioned during calibration. Sounds very similar to the "flashes" which as others have said, may not quite be a "white flash" but some sort of distortion. Who knows, I may be wrong, but take a look at this:

Note: To minimise the risk of image retention and screenburn, like the previous generations of LG OLED televisions, the E6 will automatically dim its light output in a gradual manner after static elements (channel logos, test patterns, etc.) have been present on screen for more than one minute 105 seconds. The auto-dimming happens so slowly that most viewers probably won’t notice it until they need to perform user menu action, in which case the screen will brighten up suddenly as the auto-dimming is halted.
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I finally pulled the trigger and ordered E6. I got it for relatively cheap, but I have to wait 10 business days to show up.

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I finally pulled the trigger and ordered E6. I got it for relatively cheap, but I have to wait 10 business days to show up.

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Here is the note they mentioned during calibration. Sounds very similar to the "flashes" which as others have said, may not quite be a "white flash" but some sort of distortion. Who knows, I may be wrong, but take a look at this:

Note: To minimise the risk of image retention and screenburn, like the previous generations of LG OLED televisions, the E6 will automatically dim its light output in a gradual manner after static elements (channel logos, test patterns, etc.) have been present on screen for more than one minute 105 seconds. The auto-dimming happens so slowly that most viewers probably won’t notice it until they need to perform user menu action, in which case the screen will brighten up suddenly as the auto-dimming is halted.
The screen does not dim if you are watching ESPN with it's static logo, which remain even with commercials. It's takes more than just a static logo to do that, if the screen has an active image. If you are watching ESPN for over an hour, the screen would be completely dim if that was the case. The pixel shift is suppose to keep BI from happening with static logos. Now the screen will dim if you were to put up a full color slide and then let it sit. The tv would assume that the image is static and the screen would dim. It doesn't work that way with regular viewing. The static image needs to cover a large part of the screen. Now in rare cases, a very dark scene for 105 seconds or longer may trigger it as the tv thinks it's a static image. if you never want it to happen, just go into the service menu and set TPC enable to 0. I did that with my 9500, and have had no issues.
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I'd like to hear more about 3D on this set and viewing angles. Do you have the 3D Raretities disc? If so how is Caspers's Boo Moon? It's a torture test for ghosting, especially in the sequence when Casper leaves earth and you can see all the planets and stars in the background. I've only had one passive set (Sony 900A) and I remembered being impressed with the 3D but noticed that standing up caused a problem. I have a JS9500 for now.
I don't have that disc. My other 3D display is a Sammy E7000. The active 3D on it is good - no issues - but the E6 is far superior in brightness and depth, and the E6 isn't even calibrated. I'd give the Sammy a 7 and the E6 a 10.

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Did a little tweaking with my settings.

For gamma 2.2, contrast 85, brightness 51. I set 2 point low to -11, -11, -11 and raised 5 IRE Luminance to +2. This helps brighten bar 18 on the AVS pluge test, while still keeping my 0% slide inky black.

For 1886, contrast 85, brightness 52. I raised 5 IRE Luminance to +3. This helped with lifting bar 18 slightly. I keep 17 black on both 2.2 and 1886, as 17 makes the 0% slide glow. Using Disney WOW, 1% star is visible and the checkerboard squares were visible stopping exactly at 0%. I don't think the AVS pluge pattern is very accurate between 16 and 17, compared to Disney WOW.
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Here is the note they mentioned during calibration. Sounds very similar to the "flashes" which as others have said, may not quite be a "white flash" but some sort of distortion. Who knows, I may be wrong, but take a look at this:

Note: To minimise the risk of image retention and screenburn, like the previous generations of LG OLED televisions, the E6 will automatically dim its light output in a gradual manner after static elements (channel logos, test patterns, etc.) have been present on screen for more than one minute 105 seconds. The auto-dimming happens so slowly that most viewers probably won’t notice it until they need to perform user menu action, in which case the screen will brighten up suddenly as the auto-dimming is halted.
The "sudden" brightening (which is actually gradual over the course of about a second) is from a slightly dimmed state to normal brightness. Even if instantaneous, that's quite different from anything I think would be described as a "white flash".

Regardless, having seen both, I can tell you with 100% certainty that they're not the same thing.
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Did a little tweaking with my settings.

For gamma 2.2, contrast 85, brightness 51. I set 2 point low to -11, -11, -11 and raised 5 IRE Luminance to +2. This helps brighten bar 18 on the AVS pluge test, while still keeping my 0% slide inky black.

For 1886, contrast 85, brightness 52. I raised 5 IRE Luminance to +3. This helped with lifting bar 18 slightly. I keep 17 black on both 2.2 and 1886, as 17 makes the 0% slide glow. Using Disney WOW, 1% star is visible and the checkerboard squares were visible stopping exactly at 0%. I don't think the AVS pluge pattern is very accurate between 16 and 17, compared to Disney WOW.
I guess every TV is different then lol I don't knw why I have to raise brightness to 58 for it to show 1% and 2% and I have 61 hours with it. And even with 58 or 59 brightness it still has a glow type effect on the corner when on a pitch black screen so then when I lower it to around 55 -56 it gets dark but then 1% and 2% is too dark I wonder what it could be i have 1886 and everything else at default so I guess I'll tinker some more
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I guess every TV is different then lol I don't knw why I have to raise brightness to 58 for it to show 1% and 2% and I have 61 hours with it. And even with 58 or 59 brightness it still has a glow type effect on the corner when on a pitch black screen so then when I lower it to around 55 -56 it gets dark but then 1% and 2% is too dark I wonder what it could be i have 1886 and everything else at default so I guess I'll tinker some more
55 or 65 inch model?
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I guess every TV is different then lol I don't knw why I have to raise brightness to 58 for it to show 1% and 2% and I have 61 hours with it. And even with 58 or 59 brightness it still has a glow type effect on the corner when on a pitch black screen so then when I lower it to around 55 -56 it gets dark but then 1% and 2% is too dark I wonder what it could be i have 1886 and everything else at default so I guess I'll tinker some more
I could not get my 2.2 gamma to keep from glowing on 0% no matter how much I lowered brightness. Even with a brightness of 0, it would glow. Bumtious over on AVF told me to lower rgb low to -10, -10, -10 to start and see if that got rid of the glow. It didn't, but -11, -11, -11 did, and then I was able to adjust my brightness and 5 IRE luminance to fine tune it. With gamma 1886, and 2.4, I had no such issues with glow.
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I could not get my 2.2 gamma to keep from glowing on 0% no matter how much I lowered brightness. Even with a brightness of 0, it would glow. Bumtious over on AVF told me to lower rgb low to -10, -10, -10 to start and see if that got rid of the glow. It didn't, but -11, -11, -11 did, and then I was able to adjust my brightness 5 IRE luminance to fine tune it. With gamma 1886, and 2.4, I had no such issues with glow.
Yea I will do some more tinkering and see what I can come up with
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Maybe the settings are different on the 55, compared to the 65 when it comes to correct brightness.
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what is this flash light issue that people are experiencing, is it for E6 and G6, all owners or only those who upgraded to certain firmware?
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Yea I will do some more tinkering and see what I can come up with
I think you could easily solve your issue by keeping brightness at 58, and lowering 5 IRE luminance 3 or 4 clicks to see if that gets rid of the glow, while still keeping the 1% star visible.
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I think you could easily solve your issue by keeping brightness at 58, and lowering 5 IRE luminance 3 or 4 clicks to see if that gets rid of the glow, while still keeping the 1% star visible.
Yea normally I just reduce the oled light to around 35 and that makes the slight glow in the left corner go away but it also makes my 2% on the Disney wow completely dark but I will check your suggestions out and see where it gets me
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I'd like to hear more about 3D on this set and viewing angles. Do you have the 3D Raretities disc? If so how is Caspers's Boo Moon? It's a torture test for ghosting, especially in the sequence when Casper leaves earth and you can see all the planets and stars in the background. I've only had one passive set (Sony 900A) and I remembered being impressed with the 3D but noticed that standing up caused a problem. I have a JS9500 for now.
I have that disk and just watched the Casper on my 65 E6. I did not see any ghosting (except for Casper, heh heh) but when Casper or other object went way to the front I could not focus my eyes on that part, although my wife could. But this was only occasional and most of the 3D looked OK to me.

I got the same effect but much more extreme on Comin' At Ya (1981) which has a constant very exaggerated "poking things at you" to the far front and both my wife and I gave up trying to watch it before long because it just caused us eye strain (couldn't see ghosting, just couldn't focus on the far-front items).

Two movies that had really beautiful 3D with good depth but no "frontal assaults" were The Walk (2015) and The Art of Flight (2011) which were just gorgeous and very clear and sharp throughout with no crosstalk at all. (The Art of Flight also has a killer demo-worthy audio track.)

I'm brand new to 3D with this set and I've only watched a few 3Ds so far, but I have a hundred 3D disks in my collection so I'll be exploring 3D on this set for quite a while!

I have already reported on my viewing angles. I can go side to side as far as I like with no crosstalk but going far enough will eventually result in geometric distortion. Vertically my set seems considerably better than average. From 10 feet, I get no crosstalk when my eye level is even with the bottom of the screen or the top of the screen (or anywhere in between). Most people report a much more narrow vertical sweet spot. If there is no vertical sweet spot that completely avoids crosstalk, the set needs to be replaced (and unfortunately this seems to be not that uncommon).
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