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post #5101 of 22065 Old 05-26-2016, 12:20 PM
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when he says bad sources he means pretty much all current live TV services like Direct TV, Dish Network or any Cable service these TV's will show just how compressed they all are. Blu rays and UHD look incredible but normal HD channels especially dark scenes can look very bad.
I suppose Fios falls into this category. I would bet that 90 percent of my viewing is sports, network dramas, and HBO/showtime. The other 10 percent would be Netflix/Amazon/bluray. It's odd as a potential buyer to hear "this tv is so awesome that the vast majority of what you watch will look like crap!"
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Do it, man. Sports bar mode is pretty epic. 4 1080P screens at once! Great for sports.
Wow, that screams for the 77", doesn't it?

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I suppose Fios falls into this category. I would bet that 90 percent of my viewing is sports, network dramas, and HBO/showtime. The other 10 percent would be Netflix/Amazon/bluray. It's odd as a potential buyer to hear "this tv is so awesome that the vast majority of what you watch will look like crap!"
Well, the blame for compression can't be wholly laid at the feet of LG. Netflix and Amazon won't always look pretty either, so you might want to lower your expectations to 5%. Additionally, not all Blu-rays are encoded or mastered well, so chock off another 1% while you're at it. ;(

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The tech that was supposed to come check on my 3D crosstalk yesterday didn't show up. So now I have to wait another week.
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E6 is plenty bright for me. Whoever says 2016 OLED is not bright enough, hasn't experienced them in person...
One professional reviewer mentioned the G6 being brighter. That is what made me also ask E6 owners about the brightness. The few replies posted say it's no problem at all, so my question has been answered.
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I've been pleasantly surprised by how good the 4K on Netflix and Amazon looks. HBO Now on the other hand...I'll be suspending my subscription once GoT is over for the season. They charge more than Netflix 4K but I can't stand watching movies on it because of the compression.
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That's odd. I have Hopper 3 and have horrible artifacts in dark scenes. It looks pretty good during the day, but at night, yikes....
yeah I agree normal viewing is fine it's the dark scenes that can be pretty bad.

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Wow, that screams for the 77", doesn't it?


Well, the blame for compression can't be wholly laid at the feet of LG. Netflix and Amazon won't always look pretty either, so you might want to lower your expectations to 5%. Additionally, not all Blu-rays are encoded or mastered well, so chock off another 1% while you're at it. ;(
yeah it's more on the providers that they compress the channels it's not on LG when the source is good it will look amazing when it is poor then it will be magnified on this set. Part of that is poor quality scaling up to a 4K TV not just because it is OLED.

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I suppose Fios falls into this category. I would bet that 90 percent of my viewing is sports, network dramas, and HBO/showtime. The other 10 percent would be Netflix/Amazon/bluray. It's odd as a potential buyer to hear "this tv is so awesome that the vast majority of what you watch will look like crap!"
FIOS content looks very good on my 65 E6. That was one of my biggest concerns and after purchase one of my biggest surprises how good it looks upscaled on the E6.
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FIOS content looks very good on my 65 E6. That was one of my biggest concerns and after purchase one of my biggest surprises how good it looks upscaled on the E6.
That's reassuring. I don't blame LG at all for making a tv so accurate that it reveals flaws in the delivery of content. Just ironic that most of what I watch might look worse at times than on my KURO.
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FIOS content looks very good on my 65 E6. That was one of my biggest concerns and after purchase one of my biggest surprises how good it looks upscaled on the E6.
Yep I was also very surprised how good most of the content from FiOS looks on my 55 E6.
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FIOS content looks very good on my 65 E6. That was one of my biggest concerns and after purchase one of my biggest surprises how good it looks upscaled on the E6.
I have FIOS and it looks better pre-upscaled through the OPPO 103D to 4K (Deep Color to 36-bit and ColorSpace to YCbCr 4:4:4) with Darbee Hi Def setting at 50%.. I tried it directly connected for comparison, and IMO, the OPPO upscaling adds beautification to FIOS worthy of OLED. (added some shots from iPhone 6)
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Was hoping the collective could help me, before I get my set from VE tomorrow afternoon. They calibrated it for me.

I asked Robert to email me three things, but haven't heard back yet, so I wanted to ask you guys

For #1 below, hopefully someone could let me know where all the calibrated settings would be, so I can at least write them down before I start mucking with the set.

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1) list of tv settings that have been applied to my set specifically after the calibration (and are all of these settings re-enterable by me via the regular consumer menus, should I ever have to do so?
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Which store might that be?

I'm also waiting for a 65E6 by the end of May here in Switzerland.

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We are all on the same boat - no delivery until monday - i got a confirmation that they should arrive within monday (but the ower of the store was not 100% about this).
highdefinition is the place i took the order.
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I've been pleasantly surprised by how good the 4K on Netflix and Amazon looks. HBO Now on the other hand...I'll be suspending my subscription once GoT is over for the season. They charge more than Netflix 4K but I can't stand watching movies on it because of the compression.


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Reports of 3D crosstalk might be better served with information regarding the distance at which it occurs. For example, the three photos attached are all of my 65" G6 but at different distances.

At distances of ~8-12 feet any crosstalk I have disappears completely.
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I have FIOS and it looks better pre-upscaled through the OPPO 103D to 4K (Deep Color to 36-bit and ColorSpace to YCbCr 4:4:4) with Darbee Hi Def setting at 50%.. I tried it directly connected for comparison, and IMO, the OPPO upscaling adds beautification to FIOS worthy of OLED. (added some shots from iPhone 6)
Looks good. Let's see some darker scenes in low light. That's where it usually falls apart.

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Looks good. Let's see some darker scenes in low light. That's where it usually falls apart.
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What's not important is whether the TV or other device fails once, it's how the failure is handled and whether it recurs.

I know people who've purchased $100K cars only to have them die within a week; it happens (as long as it doesn't occur repeatedly.)
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Reports of 3D crosstalk might be better served with information regarding the distance at which it occurs. For example, the three photos attached are all of my 65" G6 but at different distances.

At distances of ~8-12 feet any crosstalk I have disappears completely.
Congratulations on your crosstalk-free set. Of course, it's completely irrelevant to the topic because people have sets that do have crosstalk at normal viewing distances. You're missing information because you're jumping into the middle of a conversation. We've already covered viewing angles and viewing distances. And just to make you happy, my set is 12' away.
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Reports of 3D crosstalk might be better served with information regarding the distance at which it occurs. For example, the three photos attached are all of my 65" G6 but at different distances.



At distances of ~8-12 feet any crosstalk I have disappears completely.

Agreed.



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Well I made an attempt today to get the Best Buy warehouse to pull me a 605 or 604 for my delivery they setup for tomorrow, but the warehouse staff told the Best Buy phone rep that they couldn't cherry pick me a set because they would have to take them all down off the shelves to check. I expected this answer, so I wasn't shocked. I'm hoping for at least a 604. Delivery is tomorrow between 5PM and 7PM CST which at least worked out so I don't have to take time off work, but I will be watching my 2 year old by myself so wish me luck. LOL

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for E6 owners does your set make you wish is was brighter for 3D?
No. The set automatically brightens up 3D to compensate for the glasses. The 3D picture is gorgeous.
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Well I made an attempt today to get the Best Buy warehouse to pull me a 605 or 604 for my delivery they setup for tomorrow, but the warehouse staff told the Best Buy phone rep that they couldn't cherry pick me a set because they would have to take them all down off the shelves to check. I expected this answer, so I wasn't shocked. I'm hoping for at least a 604. Delivery is tomorrow between 5PM and 7PM CST which at least worked out so I don't have to take time off work, but I will be watching my 2 year old by myself so wish me luck. LOL

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You will at least get a 604, if not a 605. I got my tv 2 weeks ago from BB. It was a 604.

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Thanks for checking it out. I watched a few scenes in Life of pi again, and it looks like there are some crosstalk on the bottom right. It's not on every scene, so I am confused now. ...
You won't see crosstalk unless there's an object in 3D space in front of the screen plane or behind it, and in the area where the crosstalk occurs. So, if your FPR has a bad spot in the lower right corner, and there's an object that's far off in the background there (or popping out), you'll see a double image. If the object in that area is at the screen plane, the left and right images overlap without any separation. Without separation, you won't notice crosstalk. It's there, but it's going to be virtually impossible to see.

You'll see ghosting virtually anywhere the FPR is bad, but only if the left and right images diverge on the screen in the malfunctioning area. The 3D may look perfect in one scene, but look terrible in the next. That's why using the 3D controls from the menu may appear to fix ghosting, when all they're really doing is shifting the divergent left/right images so they overlap. Since it's impossible to predict where objects are going to be in 3D space at any given point in time, the ghosting is certain to become visible again later - in the same area you just "fixed."

The moral of the story is that no menu adjustment or board swap will fix a bad FPR. If you're viewing from passive 3D's sweet spot, you probably won't see much if any ghosting on these OLEDs if the FPR is working properly. You can use the jpg I posted earlier to test for a defective FPR, or you can make one yourself in any paint program. Create an image that's pure black on one side and pure white on the other. (For those of you doing the math, that's 1920x2160 of black on one side and 1920x2160 of white on the other.) Save it to a flash drive and plug it into a USB port on the E6/G6/C6. Play it and engage side by side 3D. View from your normal viewing position, but keep in mind you'll see bad 3D unless you're in the sweet spot, vertically perpendicular to the center of the screen. If the FPR is bad, you'll notice it right away. It's unlikely that the screen will be perfect, but as long as it's fairly uniform, you'll probably be OK. There are plenty of examples of good and bad FPRs in this thread. Just scan back through the pages and you'll find them pretty easily.

If you want to show a tech your FPR is bad, this simple test is a good start. It provides objective proof of the defective areas. I showed my LG tech the test image, then put on a commercial movie that showed ghosting in exactly the areas the test identified.

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No. The set automatically brightens up 3D to compensate for the glasses. The 3D picture is gorgeous.
Absolutely right. It's bright, it's flicker free, it's beautiful. It's the best 3D I've ever seen anywhere. Despite my bad FPR, there's no way I want to go back to anything other than passive 3D on a 4K OLED. I'm determined to get a good replacement set, and there'll be nothing that can match it - for 3D or 2D.
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You will at least get a 604, if not a 605. I got my tv 2 weeks ago from BB. It was a 604.
I got my 603 G6 last week from BB, hoping for a 604 replacement tomorrow.
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I got my 603 G6 last week from BB, hoping for a 604 replacement tomorrow.
Probably depends how many were sold locally, I am near Chicago and there is only 1 warehouse for all the stores in the area, my local store where I purchased has sold 6 G6's at their store alone and they all came out of the warehouse as nearly no Best Buy's are stocking the G6 in store.

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Probably depends how many were sold locally, I am near Chicago and there is only 1 warehouse for all the stores in the area, my local store where I purchased has sold 6 G6's at their store alone and they all came out of the warehouse as nearly no Best Buy's are stocking the G6 in store.

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Like i indicated, I hope my current unit was one of the last of the 603 stock they had.

Mine is coming from a DC that stocks Portland, OR, as was the case with the EFs.

Basically low supply, high value, and JIT inventory mgt are driving the logistics process. Frankly, I'm surprised they aren't drop shipping them, and sending geek squad out to unbox/setup. But likely the supply is so limited they want to order large allocations to better manage customer delivery expectations.
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Put my movie through the Triple X torture test last night. A movie with a lot of elevated blacks. No banding whatsoever. Kind of a silly movie though.
This is really good to know!
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