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Sounds like David's been in the US a while, shedding that British accent, lol.
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Sounds like David's been in the US a while, shedding that British accent, lol.
He doesn't sound British at all, I got the impression he's from the US originally judging by the accent only.
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It is uncanny.
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This is probably not correct, but what I keep coming up with. I think it might be my meter.

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B- 35

High

R- 5
G- 6
B- -7
I get similar Low readings and I have a fairly new C6 meter. I'm not sure what's going on with the low but what I do is to leave the Low at 0 then set the High, then do the 20 pt and the CMS. Works just fine and another calibrator on this forum does the same. Setting the 2pt Low didn't make the 20 pt easier to calibrate so I couldn't find any reason to change it especially given these "crazy" settings.

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Thanks to those who responded so quickly about how Gravity looks on this set. I watched it a couple years back on my projector and it (obviously) has a softer image. I just find it funny, because the review on blu-ray.com and high def digest say things like:

Detail is remarkably well-resolved too, with crisp, clean edge definition, wonderfully revealing fine textures and stunning close-ups.

Detail and resolution are abundant, from actors' faces to props and costumes and sets, it's all gorgeously rendered.

I do appreciate that the LG will show any "warts" in source material. Obviously, the better the source, the better the experience. So far have watched Revenant on UHD, Finding Nemo 3D, and tonight we're going to watch Joy UHD. Loving this set so far!

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I'm happy to report that through the 1st period of the Stanley Cup Final, I have not encountered any noticeable banding and minimal DSE during fast pans. Nothing right now would prevent me from being content keeping this set. Obviously it is only 3 days into ownership but I am glad about my decision to go for the G6. Using ISF Bright Room, hockey looks better on ISF Bright...

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I'm happy to report that through the 1st period of the Stanley Cup Final, I have not encountered any noticeable banding and minimal DSE during fast pans. Nothing right now would prevent me from being content keeping this set. Obviously it is only 3 days into ownership but I am glad about my decision to go for the G6. Using ISF Bright Room, hockey looks better on ISF Bright...
As for that minimal DSE, is it most pronounced for you just right of center?
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Well, keep in mind the E6 and G6 cost more than the predecessor, so some of us are pickier.
I hear ya...but I'm like you, when I eventually get the e6 I'm gonna be more worried about uniformity than anything else!
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As for that minimal DSE, is it most pronounced for you just right of center?
Hard to say, I'll have to watch some more and let you know.
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k, as I believe that's the same location on the previous E6 with a build of the same month (April). As you get into the game, it tends to fade into the background.
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This is probably not correct, but what I keep coming up with. I think it might be my meter.

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R- 2
G- -47
B- 35

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R- 5
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Thanks! Glad I'm not the only one dropping 2point. I dont have a meter, so followed the advice of a calibrator on AVForums to correct my glow on a 0% slide by lowering rgb all equally. Ended up wih -20 to get rid of the glow and to properly set brightness where the proper bars on pluge pattern flash. I wonder how many others have the faint glow, even with a brightness of 0? Most would not know to lower 2 point to correct. Frankly, these tv's should not leave the factory like that. Thats my only complaint, because the tv looks great.
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I dunno, a faint glow on the edges (since the center is darker at lower stimuli) is probably not going to be noticed most of the time (short of an extended blacked out scene where your pupils are allowed to expand to see said perimeter glow). With BT 1886, a brightness of 54 achieves this. With the pluge, I believe I can very faintly see bar 17 flashing with this setting.
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I dunno, a faint glow on the edges (since the center is darker at lower stimuli) is probably not going to be noticed most of the time (short of an extended blacked out scene where your pupils are allowed to expand to see said perimeter glow). With BT 1886, a brightness of 54 achieves this. With the pluge, I believe I can very faintly see bar 17 flashing with this setting.
This was an oddity that was noted by one of the first professional reviews of the set. That when properly calibrated on a 0% slide you could still see a faint glow around the corners. But the center would read correctly as being absolute black. When there is any kind of content on the screen the contrast from what is being displayed provides enough light that your eyes perceive these faint glows to be pure black.
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Yes, I remember you commenting on this very phenomenon before, and I tend to agree. I like to think of it as the "cost" of the vignetting fix.
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Guys help!
The store will setup the 603 built 65E6V for me to check for banding, today.
I need whatever test possible to check for problems.
Pls advice me what should I load into my usbdrive for testing.
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I think i'm getting my HTC Vive and E6 on the same day (today)........

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Interesting thing of note. I don't see the same odd artifacts (specs in picture, flicker, etc...) in 3d content, as I do in upscaled blurays. It's odd, like, 3d is 100% flawless in everybway, it's insane!
I’d have to say seeing issues with artifacting or upscaling in general with blu-ray is a bit worrying.

I understand blu-rays are still compressed, although they have much less compression than content via cable/satellite. I’m concerned how my normal 720/1080 content will look.

Edit: So I’m curious, but I see people now listing their build date, like a 603, 604, etc. Similar to when there were issues with the vignetting with last year’s model, as the vignetting got better with the newer builds.

But what is the purpose of listing the builds for this years models? Are people noticing newer builds that have less issues again? Like less banding?

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I’d have to say seeing issues with artifacting or upscaling in general with blu-ray is a bit worrying.

I understand blu-rays are still compressed, although they have much less compression than content via cable/satellite. I’m concerned how my normal 720/1080 content will look.

Edit: So I’m curious, but I see people now listing their build date, like a 603, 604, etc. Similar to when there were issues with the vignetting with last year’s model, as the vignetting got better with the newer builds.

But what is the purpose of listing the builds for this years models? Are people noticing newer builds that have less issues again? Like less banding?
I've noticed no banding or compression artifacts on the several Blu-ray movies I have watched, Ant-Man, Avengers Age of Ultron, and a few others. I did notice some strange things going on in The Martian in 4K in the outdoor storm scenes at the beginning of the film, when Watney gets stranded, when I re-watched it on the G6. Originally I watched it on my 75X940C. I don't remember what it looked like on the 940C unfortunately. Not sure if I was seeing compression artifacts or just the storm as it was intended.
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I've noticed no banding or compression artifacts on the several Blu-ray movies I have watched, Ant-Man, Avengers Age of Ultron, and a few others. I did notice some strange things going on in The Martian in 4K in the outdoor storm scenes at the beginning of the film, when Watney gets stranded, when I re-watched it on the G6. Originally I watched it on my 75X940C. I don't remember what it looked like on the 940C unfortunately. Not sure if I was seeing compression artifacts or just the storm as it was intended.
Ok, that’s good.

Most everyone talks about how well programs/movies look good on streaming or (3-D) blu-rays, but not much talk has been about how just normal broadcast programs (and talking about broadcast as in cable/satellite, not antenna) look.

Wish there was more experiences shared on how well the TV upscales 720/1080 cable/satellite content.
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Alright owners, I need some help with a serious issue. Here is my wiring... PS4 to Pioneer VSX-LX101 to E6 to SONOS playbar(not using any speaker outputs from the AVR amp). When watching a bluray with the AVR on I am not getting all of the audio out. It will only deliver the background sound not any voice audio. Then when I turn the AVR of and it just does a pass through I get full audio as it should. I do not have an issue with any audio from my Dish hopper going through the same Connection pattern. I have even tried switching the PS4 to another HDMI port and this did the same thing.

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Ok, that’s good.

Most everyone talks about how well programs/movies look good on streaming or (3-D) blu-rays, but not much talk has been about how just normal broadcast programs (and talking about broadcast as in cable/satellite, not antenna) look.

Wish there was more experiences shared on how well the TV upscales 720/1080 cable/satellite content.
Eh, broadcast TV isn't always the greatest to be completely honest, it really depends on the source. You can definitely tell when you are watching broadcast TV. Now, the Stanley Cup Final last night looked really good in my opinion, but the NBA Finals didn't look as nice, but I have to bet TNT is compressing the signal more than NBC. Viewing distance is going to play a factor as well. Video games look awesome, Uncharted and MLB The Show 16 look amazing on the set.
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Ok, that’s good.

Most everyone talks about how well programs/movies look good on streaming or (3-D) blu-rays, but not much talk has been about how just normal broadcast programs (and talking about broadcast as in cable/satellite, not antenna) look.

Wish there was more experiences shared on how well the TV upscales 720/1080 cable/satellite content.
I have Dish Network and for normal well lit programs at a normal viewing distance it looks fine but dark scenes (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead) certain channels for that matter can look pretty bad. Can't speak for cable or DirectTV but I hear they all have the same issues on dark scenes. I have even watched the same show on Dish and on Amazon steaming and there was a huge difference in PQ on Amzon vs the Dish version. They just have to compress everything more.

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When someone says they see major compression artifacts in blu-ray, I'm skeptical they are actually watching blu-ray. Some movies do have some issues, but I've never seen a BD with major compression issues and I have a collection of ~1800 of them. I always assume these people downloaded a pirated copy with a lower bitrate. There's 1080p Blu-ray rips out there that are 2-5GB a movie and they look awful, but lots of people will swear up and down they are the same quality as a full BD disc. Even a 10-15GB BD rip does not look nearly as good, especially on a 65" OLED you will see issues in dark scenes.

If your complaining about BD quality on this set, make sure your actually using 1:1 BD rips and/or the discs themselves, because if you aren't, then it's not actually blu-ray.

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I have Dish Network and for normal well lit programs at a normal viewing distance it looks fine but dark scenes (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead) certain channels for that matter can look pretty bad. Can't speak for cable or DirectTV but I hear they all have the same issues on dark scenes. I have even watched the same show on Dish and on Amazon steaming and there was a huge difference in PQ on Amzon vs the Dish version. They just have to compress everything more.
Welcome to the world of OLED, where TV stations look like absolute trash in dark scenes. Even 1080p WEB-DLs you buy at Amazon/iTunes/etc tend to look pretty mediocre in the dark scenes. A drastically higher bitrate is needed to achieve good dark scenes, and a normal TV masks most of those problems with their gray blacks and poor shadow detail.

I suggest buying the Blu-rays for your favorite TV shows, which typically look great. I completely got rid of dish/cable, and put that money towards buying BDs and/or WEB-DLs if I absolutely must watch a show as it airs.

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When someone says they see major compression artifacts in blu-ray, I'm skeptical they are actually watching blu-ray. Some movies do have some issues, but I've never seen a BD with major compression issues and I have a collection of ~1800 of them. I always assume these people downloaded a pirated copy with a lower bitrate. There's 1080p Blu-ray rips out there that are 2-5GB a movie and they look awful, but lots of people will swear up and down they are the same quality as a full BD disc. Even a 10-15GB BD rip does not look nearly as good, especially on a 65" OLED you will see issues in dark scenes.

If your complaining about BD quality on this set, make sure your actually using 1:1 BD rips and/or the discs themselves, because if you aren't, then it's not actually blu-ray.



Welcome to the world of OLED, where TV stations look like absolute trash in dark scenes. Even 1080p WEB-DLs you buy at Amazon/iTunes/etc tend to look pretty mediocre in the dark scenes. A drastically higher bitrate is needed to achieve good dark scenes, and a normal TV masks most of those problems with their gray blacks and poor shadow detail.

I suggest buying the Blu-rays for your favorite TV shows, which typically look great. I completely got rid of dish/cable, and put that money towards buying BDs and/or WEB-DLs if I absolutely must watch a show as it airs.
I agree for the most part my BR collection looks great, streaming 1080p looks very good but TV HD just looks ok to terrible in dark scenes. I would take fewer high bitrate channels in a heartbeat if they allowed it lol.

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That’s pretty disappointing and what I was worried about with cable/dish broadcast programming. I know it’s not the TV’s fault, but I was hoping it would handle it a bit better.

A large majority of my TV watching are shows I’ve recorded to my DVR. Some of my favorite shows I may purchase on BD, but I am not going to do that for all shows. Too expensive and really don’t want to wait until the entire season is over to watch my programs.

At least video games look great. Where I don’t have the time to play as much as I used to, it is good to hear the television works great for it.
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Ethernet Problem

I received my E6 on Friday from VE. The only issue I having is the ethernet connection. When the TV was first installed, there was no connection but the delivery person (from VE, this was a local delivery direct from their store) checked the cable to ensure it was working, and did something that enabled it, and it was working fine. A couple of days later I tried accessing Amazon content and the ethernet is not working again. Have tried unplugging the TV and the router, but nothing seems to work.
Any ideas? I have Verizon Quantum BTW.
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Alright owners, I need some help with a serious issue. Here is my wiring... PS4 to Pioneer VSX-LX101 to E6 to SONOS playbar(not using any speaker outputs from the AVR amp). When watching a bluray with the AVR on I am not getting all of the audio out. It will only deliver the background sound not any voice audio. Then when I turn the AVR of and it just does a pass through I get full audio as it should. I do not have an issue with any audio from my Dish hopper going through the same Connection pattern. I have even tried switching the PS4 to another HDMI port and this did the same thing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,


My wild ass guess is that your PS4 is outputting 5/7 channel PCM and the TV or receiver is stripping out everything except the left and right channels before sending to the Sonos. Try setting your PS4 to output DD or DTS.
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That’s pretty disappointing and what I was worried about with cable/dish broadcast programming. I know it’s not the TV’s fault, but I was hoping it would handle it a bit better.

A large majority of my TV watching are shows I’ve recorded to my DVR. Some of my favorite shows I may purchase on BD, but I am not going to do that for all shows. Too expensive and really don’t want to wait until the entire season is over to watch my programs.

At least video games look great. Where I don’t have the time to play as much as I used to, it is good to hear the television works great for it.
I've got a G6, and I've been very happy with the upscaled DirecTV content in general. However, right before I got the G6, I upgraded my DirectTV service to the very latest version of their Genie box and also upgraded the electronics on the dish. Right after that, even before I got my G6, I saw a remarkable improvement in video quality.

So maybe older cable boxes might be part of the issue for some folks.

I'm also happy with the upscaled Apple TV content. I recently re-watched all the Game of Thrones seasons on Apple TV / HBO GO and really enjoyed seeing detail and textures I had never seen before.

Of course, I might just have low standards. GoT's amazing content can make up for a lot of crushed blacks. At least, with an OLED display, they get crushed to a real black.
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2.5 months into this thread and with approx 5000 posts, it's only 1/2 of Buzzard's EF thread at same point in time.

Looks to me like flaws are mostly (except perhaps the flashing white) now down to individual panels, rather than across product line.

Tremendous tech/mfg progress made by LG on this OLED generation.

Now they need to put same focus on cost, and drive themselves into a thriving OLED monopoly, that forces change in movie/tv industry (3D recharge, maybe even rebirth of disk distribution channel), improvements in cable/satellite compression quality, expanded hi-speed internet, etc.

Just think of the cash machine a $2K E6 would be, and subsequent volume effect this would have on movie/tv industry. Not happening this year, but...
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My wild ass guess is that your PS4 is outputting 5/7 channel PCM and the TV or receiver is stripping out everything except the left and right channels before sending to the Sonos. Try setting your PS4 to output DD or DTS.


Thanks for the response. I have tried all 3 audio settings and this happens to all of them. I do not think it is the TV stripping the audio due to when turning off the AVR the TV processes the signal fine. That is why I am leaning more towards the AVR. I will try this again when I get home. Of course this happened during the Holiday weekend and all technical support systems were off.

-Koffeegy

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