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I hate to return to our regularly scheduled flashing programming, but I have a question for owners that are seeing flashing regularly, which seems to be the majority of owners. If you assume LG never fixes it and you see flashing for the next 5 plus years, and you had a do over, would you wait for them to fix it before buying (i.e., fixed either in this model or 2017)?

A lot of owners seem to view it as a minor issue because it is I frequent and is likely to be fixed in a firmware upgrade at some point. I'm wondering if those same owners would view it as minor if that likely fix never materializes. Many of us lurking here are probably weighing this issue before buying, and it's hard to tell how annoying it would be to have this issue permanently, which is one of the possibilities.
The way I see it — in the absolute worst case — if LG doesn't fix the flashes in the current generation, they'll just be a ticket to a free upgrade next year (for those who care enough to invoke their warranty). Some might feel differently if the flashes are more frequent or just find them more distracting. In my case, they're an obvious defect which isn't acceptable long-term on a $5,000 TV, but definitely not annoying enough to make we want to use any other set available right now.

On a related note, I did contact the VIP support line about the flashes and was promptly forwarded to someone (apparently of some authority) who took down information about my set and told me they do know about the issue and are investigating. He couldn't give any timeframe on a fix (obviously), but they do seem to be taking it quite seriously at this point.

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Before we start throwing out the pirate accusations, I'm pretty sure many Blu-rays were not encoded and mastered on displays capable of zero blacks, so that right there could result in noise near black on these OLEDs. Add in calibration issues or not having black set correctly on the OLED, and that could easily bring some things to the surface that shouldn't be seen.
Never claimed anyone was a pirate, there's lots of people that buy BDs, compress them, store them on a single large hard drive for easy access, and then wonder why they have compression artifacts. Lots of people think blu-rays have massively overkill bitrate and cutting it in 1/10 doesn't affect quality. I've had debates with people that claim it's impossible to tell the difference between a 5GB BD rip and a full BD rip - and that may be true on a very cheap and small display but it definitely isn't the case on OLED. So it wouldn't surprise me if some people aren't using full rips/reference content when reporting PQ issues.

I've come across very few BDs with noticeable compression artifacts, but I also crush bar 17 because that's where most of those artifacts will be.
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Fair enough. I selectively read your post a bit there. I agree about lossy video compression. For the BD, they've already thrown away tons of video information. Compounding that by another factor of 10 is simply going to result in more loss.
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When I select Game Mode, Color Gamut is Wide, but unchangeable... Anyone know how to get it to allow me to change it to Normal?
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When I select Game Mode, Color Gamut is Wide, but unchangeable... Anyone know how to get it to allow me to change it to Normal?
Not possible with game mode
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Not possible with game mode
Any idea why?
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Any idea why?
My guess is game mode has specific locked in settings just like how when set to PC mode it locks to certain settings that you can't change I don't know why though
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Fair enough. I selectively read your post a bit there. I agree about lossy video compression. For the BD, they've already thrown away tons of video information. Compounding that by another factor of 10 is simply going to result in more loss.
In the David MacKenzie interview he says over 98% of the original source data is thrown away during compression for a Blu-ray disc. That discussion begins at about 1 hour and 1 minute into the interview.

That 98% number made me see how important the skill of the compressionist is in mastering a DVD and why, when viewed on an OLED display, some artifacts may be visible. And why some Blu-rays might be better than others.
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It will be 1080 HDR only. No 4K until the xi6 until next summer.
That is interesting, I thought the band width was to great to even do 1080P. Guess we will see how it all plays out....
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Thing for me is, I don't get some of the artifacts I'm seeing. I've watched BDs and Amazon Video/Netflix and see odd flickering in solid color backgrounds, regardless if low APL or high APL seen. If I get real close to TV to investigate it's almost like parts of the picture are blocky (macroblocking?) or pixels are rendering the seen. I'm trying to isolate by watching disk based content as im sure streams vary even with my amazing nternet.

So far UHD blurays are cleanest, except opening scene of Revenant, as the sky bands while fading, and starts flickering as it really fades (where Leo is looking off into distance from the side). I've seen lots of low and high APL flicker on scenes in Interstellar BD. I've scene odd flickering in parts of the picture in Mad Dogs 4k HDR on Amazon Video, and I've seen almost horizontal grain lines during downton Abbey on Amazon Video. It's like at times the TV has issues rendering parts of a scene like the way pixels receive information is goofy, as I've seen it actually artifact small parts of scenes like an overheated graphics card, where very small parts of the screen distort, but never the whole screen and it's fleeting and rare.
Like the next scene can be flawless. It's quite odd, and not always noticeable. Hoping a firmware fixes it or the set itself is goofy and needs replaced.

Eagle eyed E6 owners, do me a favor and put episode 4 of Mad Dogs on at 40-45 min. Take a look at the entire picture when room is very dark, let me know if you see these oddities.
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I forgot to add that 3d movies seem flawless, both in PQ and motion, no clue why.
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For Comcast, there is no way to get 4K content at all, yet. I would pay more money for an extra box if I could.

The only way I can get 4K content right now is via streaming or any 4K blu-rays I decent to rent/purchase. I don’t have a 4K player right now, but I am hearing with the new PS4 Neo it will have the capability to play 4K BD discs and plan to upgrade to that.
Comcast has an LG app with some sample 4K stuff. I'm hoping this is a trial of rolling out a full Xfinity app that does away with cable boxes entirely: http://forums.xfinity.com/t5/Video-O...G/td-p/2747317.
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Does the native YouTube app support HDR?
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Does the native YouTube app support HDR?
Youtube is supposed to add HDR sometime this year. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the built in app will get updated at the same time.

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How do I check how many hours I have on the TV? I went under General, About this TV but there is nothing in regards to hours like on other LGs. Service menu?

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How do I check how many hours I have on the TV? I went under General, About this TV but there is nothing in regards to hours like on other LGs. Service menu?
Mine says it in the about this TV section
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Mine says it in the about this TV section
Where?

Never mind. Need to click on TV information under About this TV.
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The ridiculous six on netlfix has a really good picture to it excellent clarity and deep blacks. It's a silly movie though quit funny to me
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Apologies if this has been covered, but does anyone know how these sets accomplish media playback? Is it part of webOS? Is it a SOC?

I find the 4K media playback (MP4, MKV, etc) quite good, and just wondering how LG implements it, and how it compares to things like a Dune media player.


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If you assume LG never fixes it and you see flashing for the next 5 plus years, and you had a do over, would you wait for them to fix it before buying (i.e., fixed either in this model or 2017)?
I would not wait. This TV is fantastic in so many ways and, for me, the white flash is momentary--maybe once or twice during a movie. It barely distracts me.

I look at this way: back in the days of playing DVDs on early DVD players, there would be momentary pause during the layer change about halfway through a movie. The white flash on my LG is no more bothersome to me than that used to be.
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Noticing lots of noise in near black scenes while watching UHD HDR show Mad Dogs on Amazon Video app. The really dark scenes are really bad. The picture gets really unstable, like the horizontal noise lines starts to subtley flicker. I don't see this on UHD BDs though. Hoping someone else can review.

Good example is Episode 4, between 40-45 minutes, and the worst I've seen is on episode 7 and between 32.5 and 33.5 min mark. I'd greatly appreciate it if another E6 owner could check this.
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The ridiculous six on netlfix has a really good picture to it excellent clarity and deep blacks. It's a silly movie though quit funny to me
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That seems odd, though my friend's Samsung OLED does the same. I always gave him crap for it...

It's strange that it doesn't happen with 1886 though. I wonder if it would happen on 2.2/2.4 with a 20pt calibration. Perhaps a firmware issue.
I also dont need to adjust 2 point low for HDR modes either. Blacks are black with no glow. Just 2.2 and 2.4. Like you said, maybe a bug in the FW.
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LG OLED G6 picture settings

Would someone mind telling me what picture settings everyone is using for this set?
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It took them awhile to get 4K OLED down, but I agree they seem to have managed it with this generation. I say this with my E6 coming either today or tomorrow, hopefully I don't eat my words.

Best of luck for good one.
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Would someone mind telling me what picture settings everyone is using for this set?
Personally I'm using isf dark for everything sans gaming until I get it calibrated.

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Noticing lots of noise in near black scenes while watching UHD HDR show Mad Dogs on Amazon Video app. The really dark scenes are really bad. The picture gets really unstable, like the horizontal noise lines starts to subtley flicker. I don't see this on UHD BDs though. Hoping someone else can review.

Good example is Episode 4, between 40-45 minutes, and the worst I've seen is on episode 7 and between 32.5 and 33.5 min mark. I'd greatly appreciate it if another E6 owner could check this.


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this picture looks way worse in person and flickers. then the next scene is fine. wondering if a clear panel noise will fix this.
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this picture looks way worse in person and flickers. then the next scene is fine. wondering if a clear panel noise will fix this.
What's your brightness set to?
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