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Yeah, looks like Robert got new info from LG.
It now says "Order now for Nationwide delivery week of April 11" on VE's product page for the E6.
Yesterday it was still "end of April".

Though it's unclear whether he's talking about both sizes or only the 55". Anyone who could ask him?
Wouldn't surprise me if we got the 55" first and then the 65" a couple of weeks later.
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Anyone can nitpick a set to death, but taking pictures or videos isn't going to reveal anything super stunning to someone on the other side, especially if posted directly on the forum. You will be limited by the camera/phone someone is using to take the pic/vid. Then the compression if posted directly to the forum, followed by what kind of screen you are then viewing from. I think viewing anything taken from a cell phone isn't going to give you the greatest of reference...I don't see the refresh rate on a computer monitor, but record a video of it on your phone and you will definitely see it...catch the point?
Best way to catch any of the anomalies people are concerned with is to check out a set in person, or go by the word of current few owners who have reported no visible banding
I agree 110% with your thoughts!

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Be my guest talk about how great the tvs are ignore every possibility of banding or whatever and just buy it thats fine by me
The owner in question that has you sweating bullets hasn't even run the Clear Panel Noise feature yet.
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I have a 50" Samsung 6970 Plasma and sooner or later I will buy the B6 IF the banding and near black problems are not worth mentioning anymore. And they are regarding the 9000 series.
Why dont you just buy a cheap 9100 and find out for yourself the 9000 series' issues, instead of just reading about them and then telling owners how problematic they are?
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I have a 50" Samsung 6970 Plasma and sooner or later I will buy the B6 IF the banding and near black problems are not worth mentioning anymore. And they are regarding the 9000 series.
Why don't you just get another plasma tv if banding/near blacks are your primary concern? Even an edge-lit lcd would be a significant improvement over that tv you have.
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Robert at Value Electronics reports: If all goes as planned the 1st allocation of 65" E6 sets will be shipped by the end of the week of April 4th.

That fits what my dealer said a few days ago - mid-April. I would expect Robert to get them a week or so sooner.

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I hope this means Best Buy can take E6 orders soon...
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I'm curious to find out the reasoning, but I just noticed VE updated their info for the new oleds now staying these sets will only cover 94% of dci vs the 99% originally advertised... I'm curious if he had someone come in and measure
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I'm curious to find out the reasoning, but I just noticed VE updated their info for the new oleds now staying these sets will only cover 94% of dci vs the 99% originally advertised... I'm curious if he had someone come in and measure
And if anyone can discern the difference between 94% and 99%, then they have eyes greater than the Eye of Rah.
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I'm curious to find out the reasoning, but I just noticed VE updated their info for the new oleds now staying these sets will only cover 94% of dci vs the 99% originally advertised... I'm curious if he had someone come in and measure
And if anyone can discern the difference between 94% and 99%, then they have eyes greater than the Eye of Rah.
It's not really what the eye can discern, but how the tv will display the colors it's fed. In theory, if a movie is graded using a red that is in the outer limits of the dci triangle in the 99% range but the tv is only able to register within a 94% range, will the tv push out the saturation as far as it will go "stressing" the colors possibly introducing artifacts? I've witnessed with my ef9500 some uhd material where I was
Seeing artifacts with reds and oranges and whether that was associated with the tv only being able to handle 89% and the movie itself graded to >93% as all currently released 4K movies are uhd premium certified
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One problem I have discovered in my setup. Not sure which component is to blame. Here is the setup:



Samsung UBD-K8500 (UHD Blu Ray Player) with Blue Jeans Cable Certified High Speed Premium HDMI Cable

---> Denon AVRX6200W with Blue Jeans High Speed Premium HDMI Cable

--- > LG G6.



If connected in this configuration I get errors that my TV Doesn't support HDCP 2.2 when attempting to play UHD Blu-Rays (this was when trying to play both Mad Max: Fury Road and The Lego Movie).



The workaround is to connect the Video side directly to the HDMI port on the back of the LG G6 and to connect the audio side to the receiver.



This would lead me to indicate the fully up-to-date Denon AVRX6200W is to blame for these errors but when attempting to play 3D Blu-Rays from the Samsung UBD-K8500 I am also getting video output dropping completely from the Samsung player (when connected in the one HDMI output mode and going through the Denon AVR).



3D Blu-rays played through the PS4 --> Denon AVR --> LG G6 play without issue....


It's a fault with the player. I get it directly connected to hdmi 1. Robert at VE has seen the same thing on his demo. I have a ticket open with Samsung, but no one has called me back. Figures.
I have my G6 connected directly to the Samsung UHD player to HDMI2 and all UHD discs I've tried give the TV doesn't support HDCP 2.2 error message. If anyone finds a solution please post! Only plays 1080P.

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I have my G6 connected directly to the Samsung UHD player to HDMI2 and all UHD discs I've tried give the TV doesn't support HDCP 2.2 error message. If anyone finds a solution please post! Only plays 1080P.


It plays the proper resolution. I believe this to be more of an annoyance than actually playing in 1080P. Is there a way to discern this. It still enables HDR mode so wouldn't that indicate it is playing UHD HDR fine?

Plus, I only see this trying to play disks. It's doesn't happen with Netflix or anything else. I have seen this on Fox and Sony titles.

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I have my G6 connected directly to the Samsung UHD player to HDMI2 and all UHD discs I've tried give the TV doesn't support HDCP 2.2 error message. If anyone finds a solution please post! Only plays 1080P.


It plays the proper resolution. I believe this to be more of an annoyance than actually playing in 1080P. Is there a way to discern this. It still enables HDR mode so wouldn't that indicate it is playing UHD HDR fine?

Plus, I only see this trying to play disks. It's doesn't happen with Netflix or anything else. I have seen this on Fox and Sony titles.
I did notice the TV does switch to HDR picture mode when this happens- so you think it's the G6 displaying mistaken messages but actually playing HDR?
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Which Audio output setting are you using on the LG G6? I am going to try with a simple pair of headphones and optical to RCA converter I have today to see if the problem is on the G6 side or the 6200 side.

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Robert replied to a couple of questions and confirms measuring the color space of a few G6's:
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1. Yes, we measured the % of P3 color gamut on a few G6s that are in for calibration at at peak luminance they reached 94% of the Digital Cinema Initiative, P3. Originally I was told they would reach 99% of P3 and that may be accurate at lower luminance, but we only measured P3 at the TV's peak light output.

2. I read speculation on launch dates and even final specs. it's true that it's common for new emerging technology products get delayed, but LG has been on target for the most part and just slighly late on some and even earlier on other models. All spec's are set and will not change.

3. The latest G6s easily reached 755nits peak luminance, far better than the spec LG announced or 600nits.

4. Finally, I want everyone to know that all TVs vary slighly from month to month. Vendors that supply parts change specs as does the TV manufacturer change specs and components throughout the model year. What's surprising is that it's not the latest production that is typically the best. D-Nice tracked the Kuro production and he knows which months are better than others. I've monitored many of the TVs from most manufacturers and we buy in heavily as we see the best production runs.
Since he's reading this, I wonder how sure he is that the E6 will have 3 HDMI ports, since other sites still say 4.
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Robert replied to a couple of questions:

Since he's reading this, I wonder how sure he is that the E6 will have 3 HDMI ports, since other sites still say 4.
4 would be sweet!
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It's not really what the eye can discern, but how the tv will display the colors it's fed. In theory, if a movie is graded using a red that is in the outer limits of the dci triangle in the 99% range but the tv is only able to register within a 94% range, will the tv push out the saturation as far as it will go "stressing" the colors possibly introducing artifacts? I've witnessed with my ef9500 some uhd material where I was
Seeing artifacts with reds and oranges and whether that was associated with the tv only being able to handle 89% and the movie itself graded to >93% as all currently released 4K movies are uhd premium certified

This is tongue in cheek, Wjboshart.......

Does this mean we have moved beyond banding and near black and will now beat to death 94% vs 99%? Progress!!
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If the near black and banding are fixed, I'm all in on a B6. I can't wait!
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I did notice the TV does switch to HDR picture mode when this happens- so you think it's the G6 displaying mistaken messages but actually playing HDR?


No. It's the player displaying the message. Not the TV.

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Does this help on the near black questions? Dark scene from Hunger Games, Mockingjay Pt 2. BluRay upscaled on Oppo 103D with 20% Darbee setting. Picture taken with a hand held iPhone 6s. I've tweaked the settings on my G6 from the out of the box settings using the ones in the first post in the EF 9500 owner's thread. OLED setting etc were reduced.
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I agree 110% with your thoughts!

I spend a lot of time doing reviews for the "New PQ Tier Thread For Blu-rays" and there was a time when people were challenging our reviews by posting "still shots" to PROVE that there was "ringing," "halos," "banding," or other anomalies which we had not mentioned in our review. Most of the time those "anomalies" could NOT be seen while viewing LIVE CONTENT, so we concluded that "still shots" were, for the most part, inconclusive and thus irrelevant.
That would be a strange transfer, that has only artificial sharpening applied to three or four frames of a whole movie, so I doubt,, that ou wouldn't be able to see halos around people in motion, when they are clearly there in a still shot. Same goes for banding. Why would it magically disappear, once you unpause the Blu-ray?

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Does this help on the near black questions? Dark scene from Hunger Games, Mockingjay Pt 2. BluRay upscaled on Oppo 103D with 20% Darbee setting. Picture taken with a hand held iPhone 6s. I've tweaked the settings on my G6 from the out of the box settings using the ones in the first post in the EF 9500 owner's thread. OLED setting etc were reduced.
I've removed my comments on Darbee, I don't want to ruin this thread. LOL.

Back on point, I take it you haven't seen banding in any content? That is great if you haven't. Did you get your set from VE?

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That would be a strange transfer, that has only artificial sharpening applied to three or four frames of a whole movie, so I doubt,, that ou wouldn't be able to see halos around people in motion, when they are clearly there in a still shot. Same goes for banding. Why would it magically disappear, once you unpause the Blu-ray?
Two examples come to mind. In both Baraka and The Dark Knight members posted "still shots" where it there "appeared" to be "halos" around the edges of people but when I watched that same scene (with the EXACT SAME TIME-STAMP) live I couldn't see it. Most members said the same thing (i.e. they could NOT see the halos), but a few swore there were there. Did they really see halos? I can't say for sure, but if they were there they weren't obvious to the majority of viewers. I remember people saying to me, "You have to teach yourself to see them?" To which I replied, "Why in the world would I want to do that?"
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Robert replied to a couple of questions and confirms measuring the color space of a few G6's:
Since he's reading this, I wonder how sure he is that the E6 will have 3 HDMI ports, since other sites still say 4.

94% DCI at 700+ nits of brightness is pretty good. I suspect we'll get close to 99% at more typical viewing levels of nits.

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94% DCI at 700+ nits of brightness is pretty good. I suspect we'll get close to 99% at more typical viewing levels of nits.
You can't push the primaries outward, at least not in Rec.709. Perhaps Rec.2020 is different but I doubt it.

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It's not really what the eye can discern, but how the tv will display the colors it's fed. In theory, if a movie is graded using a red that is in the outer limits of the dci triangle in the 99% range but the tv is only able to register within a 94% range, will the tv push out the saturation as far as it will go "stressing" the colors possibly introducing artifacts? I've witnessed with my ef9500 some uhd material where I was
Seeing artifacts with reds and oranges and whether that was associated with the tv only being able to handle 89% and the movie itself graded to >93% as all currently released 4K movies are uhd premium certified
I dont buy the "stressing" and introducing artifacts you are talking about. The television just wont show the miniscule/minute shade its supposed to and will shade it differently.


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It's not really what the eye can discern, but how the tv will display the colors it's fed. In theory, if a movie is graded using a red that is in the outer limits of the dci triangle in the 99% range but the tv is only able to register within a 94% range, will the tv push out the saturation as far as it will go "stressing" the colors possibly introducing artifacts? I've witnessed with my ef9500 some uhd material where I was
Seeing artifacts with reds and oranges and whether that was associated with the tv only being able to handle 89% and the movie itself graded to >93% as all currently released 4K movies are uhd premium certified
I dont buy the "stressing" and introducing artifacts you are talking about. The television just wont show the miniscule/minute shade its supposed to and will shade it differently.


What titles are you watching with the artifacts?
The most recent, and as I said this was with my Ef was the 4K disc of kingsman, I believe it was a hat Sam l Jackson was wearing. The last time I remember seeing artifacts similar were with my ec when I was trying to calibrate the internal cms, and when you pumped up the red saturation it would occasionally cause artifacts within red objects. With my ec a movie that comes to mind was John wick with a guys red shirt

*and these aren't dark scenes, these are averagely lit scenes, at least from kingsman... Could have been something else at play too, not sure. for all I know it had to do with the HDR processing?
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Here are the areas where I've seen some pretty bad banding on my ef9500:

1. The launch screen for the Netflix app
2. At 10:30 into Beasts of No Nation on Netflix, when the lights go out from outside the house.
3. Most of Snowpiercer on Netflix

Can owners check out those examples report back if you see banding? Photos should be great too. These scenes should be tested in a dark room.
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The most recent, and as I said this was with my Ef was the 4K disc of kingsman, I believe it was a hat Sam l Jackson was wearing. The last time I remember seeing artifacts similar were with my ec when I was trying to calibrate the internal cms, and when you pumped up the red saturation it would occasionally cause artifacts within red objects. With my ec a movie that comes to mind was John wick with a guys red shirt

*and these aren't dark scenes, these are averagely lit scenes, at least from kingsman... Could have been something else at play too, not sure. for all I know it had to do with the HDR processing?
Kingsman isn't a "real" 4K blu ray. It was shot in 2K and the 4K transfer was struck from a 2K DI. This could be cause for the artifacting. 20th Century and Warner are using 2k DI's for their 4k transfers. Sony is the only one using true 4k DI's for a 4k transfer....at the moment. I always thought crap that was basically "up-rezzed" always caused artifacting of some kind.

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The most recent, and as I said this was with my Ef was the 4K disc of kingsman, I believe it was a hat Sam l Jackson was wearing. The last time I remember seeing artifacts similar were with my ec when I was trying to calibrate the internal cms, and when you pumped up the red saturation it would occasionally cause artifacts within red objects. With my ec a movie that comes to mind was John wick with a guys red shirt

*and these aren't dark scenes, these are averagely lit scenes, at least from kingsman... Could have been something else at play too, not sure. for all I know it had to do with the HDR processing?
Kingsman isn't a "real" 4K blu ray. It was shot in 2K and the 4K transfer was struck from a 2K DI. This could be cause for the artifacting. 20th Century and Warner are using 2k DI's for their 4k transfers. Sony is the only one using true 4k DI's for a 4k transfer....at the moment. I always thought crap that was basically "up-rezzed" always caused artifacting of some kind.
That very well could be it then
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