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Yes, but it's a non-issue on these OLEDs unless you leave them running a 2-minute video loop all day every day and only shut it off at the mains.

BTW, Ash, you might want to delete that unrepresentative pic since it's the first grayscale image people see...
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Yes, but it's a non-issue on these OLEDs unless you leave them running a 2-minute video loop all day every day and only shut it off at the mains.

BTW, Ash, you might want to delete that unrepresentative pic, Ash, since it's the first grayscale image people see...


Here's my lasted at 60 hours. Banding is really a non issue. This is about 13 hours since I ran the clear panel noise.
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I see the G6 is back on the BB web site as coming soon.
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I see the G6 is back on the BB web site as coming soon.
Are you planning a 2016 model??
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Any idea how the motion on these sets are last year less choppy then last year ?
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@jnelson: I dont see a lot of banding or even none thats very good. However it looks like the illumination isnt good? Darker in the middle and so on or is that a camera picture problem? Just asking
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Beat Frequency? 0°, 45° and 90° angle photos please!!

Is it still there slightly?

We have to isolate possible display<-->sensor frequency beating. Especially with the worst displays.

I'm not saying to what extent banding can be caused by it, but our analyses simply isn't right unless we see how gray-level 5% (or 3%) look when captured at 45° and 90° in addition to level (0°).

In fact, as a purist, 30° is also of interest.

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Yes, but it's a non-issue on these OLEDs unless you leave them running a 2-minute video loop all day every day and only shut it off at the mains.

BTW, Ash, you might want to delete that unrepresentative pic since it's the first grayscale image people see...
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@jnelson: I dont see a lot of banding or even none thats very good. However it looks like the illumination isnt good? Darker in the middle and so on or is that a camera picture problem? Just asking


You don't see the darker middle in normal content. It appears darker with the phone pic then in live viewing. It is there, but not as pronounced.

Remember, LG never said that last years problems were eliminated. They said they have been improved. And I will agree with them on this statement.

It will be interesting to see what the B and C bring as to uniformity.

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You don't see the darker middle in normal content. It appears darker with the phone pic then in live viewing. It is there, but not as pronounced.

Remember, LG never said that last years problems were eliminated. They said they have been improved. And I will agree with them on this statement.

It will be interesting to see what the B and C bring as to uniformity.
based on what I've seen in this thread I agree with you. It looks like they have gone from "often unacceptable" to a point where discussing the imperfections is academic.
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These latest impressions are certainly giving me a lot to think about. I'm bit by the OLED bug, having now had an EF9500 for a little over a week. When content is not being adversely effected by vertical banding, it's impossible to match the quality of the display in any other TV I've ever seen, and I had the JS9500 for several months, which I thought the same thing of when I initially got it.

I happened to get a pretty severe case of banding, and keep saying to myself every time I see it, "if the banding wasn't there, I could not find any singular fault with this set that would even remotely bother me." With that in mind, and the extremely positive results thus far with the G6, I'm strongly considering bumping up rather than moving laterally to another EF9500 and trying my luck at the panel lottery again.

Hopefully LG is lenient with my return window, as the G6 is a little too rich for my blood. I think I'd be willing to spring up to the E6, so I'll be (not so) patiently waiting to see initial results from our guinea testers (thanks to everyone, by the way.)
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You don't see the darker middle in normal content. It appears darker with the phone pic then in live viewing. It is there, but not as pronounced.

Remember, LG never said that last years problems were eliminated. They said they have been improved. And I will agree with them on this statement.

It will be interesting to see what the B and C bring as to uniformity.
You mean it is there in live viewing, or just on the test slide in person?
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You mean it is there in live viewing, or just on the test slide in person?


Just the slide.

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I have had my G6 since Friday evening and have not seen banding in any program at all. In fact the only complaints I have right now are software related (HDCP 2.2 Handshaking that the UBD-K8500 is doing is very buggy), Online streaming apps needing updates to display proper HDR content (Netflix, Amazon and Vudu are all not ready to fully support this TV), and Audio Out (The Audio out via optical and HDMI ARC are completely broken on my unit - LG rep is ordering me a replacement logic board to be installed next week).

The picture quality on the other hand with excellent quality content (UHD Blu-rays, 3-D Blu-Rays) has been outstanding with zero banding and color that puts my old plasma and my LCD TVs to shame. In fact this TV really brings out the flaws in bad satellite and streaming content.

Can we get an option that provides significantly higher bandwidth streaming and Satellite options so that the programming they are broadcasting doesn't look like crap? That is something I would pay more for (not "more channels").
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I see the G6 is back on the BB web site as coming soon.
Yep, should not be to long now.......Anyone's guess is good though on exactly when.
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I concur - this is the best TV out there ...
When I watch Blu Ray on my 12 foot wide 2:35 screen with Sim2 Lumis projector at 21 FTL in my theater the picture quality of the Theater compared to the OLED (and that is Blu Ray content 2K) - is like how I felt the picture difference is between DVD and Blu Ray the first time I saw Blu Ray...
On 4K - HDR etc ... I just cant wait to get half as good picture in projection some day...
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Can we get an option that provides significantly higher bandwidth streaming and Satellite options so that the programming they are broadcasting doesn't look like crap? That is something I would pay more for (not "more channels").

So am I understanding that regular programming, such as Verizon FIOS channels, will look like "crap" on these LG OLED 4Ks? Since that's the majority of my viewing, that would not be a good thing.
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So am I understanding that regular programming, such as Verizon FIOS channels, will look like "crap" on these LG OLED 4Ks? Since that's the majority of my viewing, that would not be a good thing.
I have never seen Verizon FIOS channels so I can't speak to their quality levels. What I can say is that the flaws that are less visible on a 1080p TV in broadcast (cable, Satellite) and streaming content, are much more visible in 4K and especially with this TV. I don't consider it a flaw in the TV, but more of an indictment of the terrible quality source coming from these providers. Hopefully this display (and others on the market like it) will convince the service providers to substantially increase the quality they are delivering.
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I have had my G6 since Friday evening and have not seen banding in any program at all. In fact the only complaints I have right now are software related (HDCP 2.2 Handshaking that the UBD-K8500 is doing is very buggy), Online streaming apps needing updates to display proper HDR content (Netflix, Amazon and Vudu are all not ready to fully support this TV), and Audio Out (The Audio out via optical and HDMI ARC are completely broken on my unit - LG rep is ordering me a replacement logic board to be installed next week).

The picture quality on the other hand with excellent quality content (UHD Blu-rays, 3-D Blu-Rays) has been outstanding with zero banding and color that puts my old plasma and my LCD TVs to shame. In fact this TV really brings out the flaws in bad satellite and streaming content.

Can we get an option that provides significantly higher bandwidth streaming and Satellite options so that the programming they are broadcasting doesn't look like crap? That is something I would pay more for (not "more channels").
When you say that "this tv really brings out the flaws in bad satellite and streaming" does this manifest itself in just above black artefacts by any chance, and have you noticed any just above black PQ issues? Cheers
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I have never seen Verizon FIOS channels so I can't speak to their quality levels. What I can say is that the flaws that are less visible on a 1080p TV in broadcast (cable, Satellite) and streaming content, are much more visible in 4K and especially with this TV.
Okay I understand. I think I'm safe with Verizon FIOS quality upscaled to 4k. I would be worried if it were DirectTV or Dish.

And I apologize for derailing this thread. I'm looking forward to my G6 (or maybe E6).
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My new G6 upscales DirecTV and Apple TV content to 4K just fine. I'm very impressed and satisfied. I don't see any artifacts. Just watched a couple of Game of Thrones episodes last night with the Apple TV HBO GO app as the source. Great PQ.

One thing it did before I got delivery on my G6 was to update my Directv box to the latest Genie, the HR54. As soon as I did this I saw a big improvement in the Directv PQ even with my previous plasma display. I also have an optical fiber connection through a local ISP whose bandwidth to the net has lots of headroom. I know this because I used to work there.
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Okay I understand. I think I'm safe with Verizon FIOS quality upscaled to 4k. I would be worried if it were DirectTV or Dish.

And I apologize for derailing this thread. I'm looking forward to my G6 (or maybe E6).
Not a derail at all. Where Verizon FIOS makes no difference to me (as I don't have it) how the TV looks with broadcast TV is very relevant. I do the majority of my watching with broadcast and would like to know how well the TV handles it.

Does any have Comcast that has purchased a G6? If yes, how have the different networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CW, etc) looked so far?
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Soundbar is better, much richer and fuller sound, but that's a conditional answer. I used a sound system and never had the ears on the 151 until I moved it so I don't have a history of listening to it. The room it was in has acoustic treatments. I played music on Vevo through a Roku on both sets and certainly preferred the LG. Of course the bar has more speakers and 3 times the power.
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When I watch Blu Ray on my 12 foot wide 2:35 screen with Sim2 Lumis projector at 21 FTL in my theater the picture quality of the Theater compared to the OLED (and that is Blu Ray content 2K) - is like how I felt the picture difference is between DVD and Blu Ray the first time I saw Blu Ray...
That's normal. The bigger the size of a panel or a projection screen, the worse the picture will look.

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Can we get an option that provides significantly higher bandwidth streaming and Satellite options so that the programming they are broadcasting doesn't look like crap? That is something I would pay more for (not "more channels").

So am I understanding that regular programming, such as Verizon FIOS channels, will look like "crap" on these LG OLED 4Ks? Since that's the majority of my viewing, that would not be a good thing.
I have Verizon FIOS and I don't see any problems at all with the upscaling the TV does to UHD. You will certainly not be disappointed with the picture quality of this TV upscaling FIOS; it is exceptional.
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I do the majority of my watching with broadcast and would like to know how well the TV handles it.

Does any have Comcast that has purchased a G6? If yes, how have the different networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CW, etc) looked so far?
It was mentioned before that the tuner in the G6 is very good.

Comcast isn't broadcast TV. The local channels they have are crammed into the limited bandwidth just like all the other channels and probably suffer from the same compression issues.

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I don't watch channels over the tuner but I do use it to look at my security cameras on channel; 125.
The G series has a cool split screen app - you can select for example a news channel on comcast and the tuner channel for the security cameras at the same time...
Very useful if you are waiting on someone to show up while watching TV etc...
Question? Do you need a Antenna to view the tuner local channels? or you can get good reception without a antenna?
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It was mentioned before that the tuner in the G6 is very good.

Comcast isn't broadcast TV. The local channels they have are crammed into the limited bandwidth just like all the other channels and probably suffer from the same compression issues.
I was referring to ‘broadcast’ as in television over-the-air, whether it would via cable or dish. Compared to watching streaming or blu-ray.

I am sure technically it’s inaccurate, but explaining where I was coming from.

So I guess my question would be better suited, for those who have Comcast and watching the main network channels, how good of a job does the G6 portray them? Is it any worse, better or about the same with a current 1080p TV?

I understand 4K is a lot different than 1080, but I hope it can handle the network signals well enough so it at least doesn’t look any worse.

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I don't watch channels over the tuner but I do use it to look at my security cameras on channel; 125.
So do you watch all your shows via streaming, then?
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I don't watch channels over the tuner but I do use it to look at my security cameras on channel; 125.
The G series has a cool split screen app - you can select for example a news channel on comcast and the tuner channel for the security cameras at the same time...
Very useful if you are waiting on someone to show up while watching TV etc...
Question? Do you need a Antenna to view the tuner local channels? or you can get good reception without a antenna?
You always will need an antenna to receive local channels over the air. The size and height of the antenna will be based on your location. There are websites where you can input your address and it will tell you based on elevation, what channels you receive. If you live in Flat City, USA and close to the transmitters, you can get away with a small antenna, maybe even placed behind the TV. If it's hilly and you're far from the transmitters, a rooftop or attic antenna might be necessary.

But, I guarantee that the broadcast channels will look much better than Comcast or satellite if you can receive them. I highly recommend checking out your tuner if you watch a lot of local channels.

Here's the site so you can see what you will need at your address for reception of free TV: http://www.antennaweb.org/Address

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Soundbar is better, much richer and fuller sound, but that's a conditional answer. I used a sound system and never had the ears on the 151 until I moved it so I don't have a history of listening to it. The room it was in has acoustic treatments. I played music on Vevo through a Roku on both sets and certainly preferred the LG. Of course the bar has more speakers and 3 times the power.
That's funny. Same situation here. Had the speakers for the 151 in the box until I moved. Then hooked them up while I'm still too lazy to setup the full A/V. The sound is surprisingly competent.

Did you play around with any of the SRS audio settings? are they gimmicky or any of them effective?
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