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Thank you for your short review. It is great to hear that it upscales very well, that is one of my concerns.

What is the source you are upscaling from? Satellite, cable TV? And are you referring to just 1080, or is 720 also upscaling very well?
I don't know if I have any 720 sources. For now these are my 1080 sources that I have hooked up:

1. Directv HR54 Genie box.
2. Apple TV 4, Resolution set to Auto, which means it's usually going out as 1080p HD 60Hz.

My LG G6 really seems to love the Apple TV box.

I need to do some more definitive direct comparisons, like pairing a 4K source from one of the G6 apps with the same material from the Apple TV. Like Daredevil. Apple TV and the G6 both have Netflix apps. But I need to make sure I have everything set the same. You can customize the picture settings for each of the HDMI inputs.

Trouble is I have to give up watching great content to focus on testing. I've started watching Game of Thrones again. It's like a whole new show to me, seeing it with the G6's picture quality. Even scaled up from 1080.

And the second time through, you know the story, and you can see all the detailed ways they foreshadow the plot.

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I don't know if I have any 720 sources. For now these are my 1080 sources that I have hooked up:

1. Directv HR54 Genie box.
2. Apple TV 4, Resolution set to Auto, which means it's usually going out as 1080p HD 60Hz.

My LG G6 really seems to love the Apple TV box.

I need to do some more definitive direct comparisons, like pairing a 4K source from one of the G6 apps with the same material from the Apple TV. Like Daredevil. Apple TV and the G6 both have Netflix apps. But I need to make sure I have everything set the same. You can customize the picture settings for each of the HDMI inputs.

Trouble is I have to give up watching great content to focus on testing. I've started watching Game of Thrones again. It's like a whole new show to me, seeing it with the G6's picture quality. Even scaled up from 1080.

And the second time through, you know the story, and you can see all the detailed ways they foreshadow the plot.
Ok, thanks for the information.

I would be interested (and this goes to anyone), on how well the G6 upscales content from Comcast, as that is what I have and is the majority of my TV watching. Of course I will probably buy my share of 4K blu-rays and eventually stream 4K shows/movies, but most of what I watch will be upscaled content from 720 and 1080 sources on Comcast cable.

Would be really interested in hearing how well the TV handles the upscaling in regards to that.
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My LG G6 really seems to love the Apple TV box.
What did you mean by this? (Just curious as I have an Apple TV)
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http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled6...1604014268.htm

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Conclusion

Thanks to LG’s near-exclusive (actually, in the US market, exclusive) use of OLED technology in TVs, and the fact that the company has either rectified or significantly improved all of the issues that we found with previous iterations, we feel that the 2016 LG OLEDs are the televisions to beat this year. No longer marred by off-hue dark scene color reproduction, severe screen uniformity errors or sluggish interactive response, LG have set new standards for themselves in 2016.

That’s not to say there isn’t room for further improvement, of course. We’d still like to see uniformity get that little bit better, and for off-axis viewing to be free of color tints. We’d also love to see further improvements to the inner workings of the calibration to controls to allow us to fine-tune gamma/ EOTF without introducing banding artefacts. However, with the OLED65G6P, the South Korean brand is sure to finally win over video enthusiast users who’re still holding on to their last-generation plasmas.

We don’t want to draw any conclusions as to how accurately the G6 handles HDR (high dynamic range) content: as with any nascent technology, it’s very hard for us to assess this due to a lack of an easily available definitive references. What we can say is that the images we saw played from the first handful of HDR UHD Blu-ray Discs looked excellent, and should mitigate any concerns that OLED’s capped peak luminance damages its HDR potential.
Likewise, gamers will be delighted to hear of the 34ms input lag figure, which by our measurements is the fastest achieved by a consumer OLED TV. It’s better than LG’s previous attempts, and is considerably better than the 74ms exhibited by Panasonic’s otherwise excellent European CZ950/CZ952 model.

It looks like there are some good times ahead: after years of flawed OLED implementations and a market full of LED LCD products, critical video users who demand self-emissive displays finally have something to look forward to. All that’s left is for other manufacturers to hopefully jump into the OLED category and bring their own expertise and competition to this promising technology, which we hope will happen sooner rather than later.
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Thanks slacker711 for the link to David Mackenzie's excellent review!

I was so encouraged by the obvious improvements that have been made by LG, even though some issues still remain (in particular the off-axis viewing resulting in "green tints" and a little more work to be done with uniformity). But as a Pioneer KURO Elite owner who dreaded the day I would have to look for a reasonable replacement, I now feel assured that LG's OLED will more than meet my expectations! In fact, I may not wait for my KURO to meet its demise; I may very well jump on the B6 OLED wagon when it launches in early summer (though I am still longing for the larger G6 77"). It is a good day in TV Land!!
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What did you mean by this? (Just curious as I have an Apple TV)
I just mean the LG G6 upscales the Apple TV's output to 4K extremely well. To say just how well, to say how it does when compared to the same material that's native 4K, I'll have to do some deeper testing first.

But it's good enough to be completely satisfying. I'm not left with any subjective desire to make it better somehow.

I love this new TV. I haven't had so much enjoyment from a new gadget in years.
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I just mean the LG G6 upscales the Apple TV's output to 4K extremely well. To say just how well, to say how it does when compared to the same material that's native 4K, I'll have to do some deeper testing first.

But it's good enough to be completely satisfying. I'm not left with any subjective desire to make it better somehow.

I love this new TV. I haven't had so much enjoyment from a new gadget in years.
This makes me very happy, thanks for answering
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Eh, that review was disappointing. Maybe because they were being very critical of the unit, but he was finding some sort of fault in most areas. And being able to see a greenish tint from off-axis viewing is something that bothers and surprises me. One of the reasons I went with OLED is so there are no off-axis differences in viewing the TV.

Kind of surprised with the review, with all the high marks I've read so far from owner impressions.
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Eh, that review was disappointing. Maybe because they were being very critical of the unit, but he was finding some sort of fault in most areas. And being able to see a greenish tint from off-axis viewing is something that bothers and surprises me. One of the reasons I went with OLED is so there are no off-axis differences in viewing the TV.

Kind of surprised with the review, with all the high marks I've read so far from owner impressions.
Agreed. It's not that positive but still gets 'best in class'
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Eh, that review was disappointing. Maybe because they were being very critical of the unit, but he was finding some sort of fault in most areas. And being able to see a greenish tint from off-axis viewing is something that bothers and surprises me. One of the reasons I went with OLED is so there are no off-axis differences in viewing the TV.

Kind of surprised with the review, with all the high marks I've read so far from owner impressions.
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Agreed. It's not that positive but still gets 'best in class'
Yes, there are still issues, but David Mackenzie's first paragraph in his CONCLUSION has me smiling:

Conclusion
Thanks to LG’s near-exclusive (actually, in the US market, exclusive) use of OLED technology in TVs, and the fact that the company has either rectified or significantly improved all of the issues that we found with previous iterations, we feel that the 2016 LG OLEDs are the televisions to beat this year. No longer marred by off-hue dark scene color reproduction, severe screen uniformity errors or sluggish interactive response, LG have set new standards for themselves in 2016.
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Yes, there are still issues, but David Mackenzie's first paragraph in his CONCLUSION has me smiling:

Conclusion
Thanks to LG’s near-exclusive (actually, in the US market, exclusive) use of OLED technology in TVs, and the fact that the company has either rectified or significantly improved all of the issues that we found with previous iterations, we feel that the 2016 LG OLEDs are the televisions to beat this year. No longer marred by off-hue dark scene color reproduction, severe screen uniformity errors or sluggish interactive response, LG have set new standards for themselves in 2016.
I'm hoping that the negatives he brought up were for being overly critical (as it's his job) and when I see it in person, they will not be factors that I personally notice.
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I think Dave McKenzie may have got a bit overexcited by LG's hospitality and generousity with the set to be honest. Want to see other reviews
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I think Dave McKenzie may have got a bit overexcited by LG's hospitality and generousity with the set to be honest. Want to see other reviews
He tested them at a vendor.

"During the review process, and again thanks to our partnership with a retailer, we were able to look at several 65in G6s and observe their uniformity before and after the process. "
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I think Dave McKenzie may have got a bit overexcited by LG's hospitality and generousity with the set to be honest. Want to see other reviews
Yes, I DO want to see other reviews. FTR, Dave McKenzie had SEVERAL G6 65" sets, all calibrated and tested thoroughly. So, I'm not sure we can say that he "got a bit overexcited by LG's hospitality and generosity with the set." From all the reviews I've ever read from him, he comes across as totally unbiased and is a true professional.
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I've run a few tests now out of the box unaltered. First few slides are cinema mode with a 2.2 gamma.

Following slides are isf dark room with 2.4 gamma.

Uniformity so far looks great, I'm gonna tweak 2 point to see if I can improve a little bit on the accuracy of my isf settings.

Interestingly, both settings use standard color, but cinema covers 99.9% of rec 709 while isf covers 111%...
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Eh, that review was disappointing. Maybe because they were being very critical of the unit, but he was finding some sort of fault in most areas. And being able to see a greenish tint from off-axis viewing is something that bothers and surprises me. One of the reasons I went with OLED is so there are no off-axis differences in viewing the TV.

Kind of surprised with the review, with all the high marks I've read so far from owner impressions.
The LG OLEDs have always shown a slight tint alteration on off-angle viewing (doesn't bother me in the least on the EF9500). It could very well be due to the 3D filter, and you should perhaps wait to see if the B6 is similarly afflicted.
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The LG OLEDs have always shown a slight tint alteration on off-angle viewing (doesn't bother me in the least on the EF9500). It could very well be due to the 3D filter, and you should perhaps wait to see if the B6 is similarly afflicted.
Count me in on not being bothered. I've stood at some pretty extreme angles with the EF9500, and it still looks pretty great to me, color wise.

I'd argue that, even with a slight color shift if you do notice it, it's far more watchable than say, a FALD LED, because of the strong bloom off axis, not to mention the wash out.
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I've run a few tests now out of the box unaltered. First few slides are cinema mode with a 2.2 gamma.

Following slides are isf dark room with 2.4 gamma.

Uniformity so far looks great, I'm gonna tweak 2 point to see if I can improve a little bit on the accuracy of my isf settings.

Interestingly, both settings use standard color, but cinema covers 99.9% of rec 709 while isf covers 111%...
How's the tv in general ?how were your slides ..thanks for the updates also..
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I've run a few tests now out of the box unaltered. First few slides are cinema mode with a 2.2 gamma.

Following slides are isf dark room with 2.4 gamma.

Uniformity so far looks great, I'm gonna tweak 2 point to see if I can improve a little bit on the accuracy of my isf settings.

Interestingly, both settings use standard color, but cinema covers 99.9% of rec 709 while isf covers 111%...
can you check wide color/Dci mode? Would love to see how It measures against dci and rec2020 targets, and especially whether the hue lines in dci mode follow Dci target instead of rec709 like ef9500 does
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If he tested them in the VE store, hopefully he was able to use a room with zero ambient lighting.

If you adjust gamma or brightness on that uniformity photo to make it easier to see, it looks pretty much like the owner images posted here. Dark blob in the center of the panel but much reduced banding compared to EF9500. One would need to adjust brightness so that dark blob is crushed into the same black level as the borders. Otherwise on fades to black you would see the center go dark first, then the borders.
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Dammit, the new 2016 sets still have the cursed motion resolution as the 2015 sets........ I was hoping at least a little bump up in that department.......
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Dammit, the new 2016 sets still have the cursed motion resolution as the 2015 sets........ I was hoping at least a little bump up in that department.......
What gave you the impression it would be improved (it hasn't since they launched it in 2013)? LG has made no claims of future improvement. The refresh rate needs to be doubled and/or an impulse mode or frame insertion mode added if this is ever to happen. They only seem to care about maximizing brightness and not even giving the user the option of a sacrifice in such for better motion rez.
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Good review. I doubt that there will be a review as critical as this one.
We all know how good OLED blacks are, so it's important to concentrate on the stuff that requires improvement.

What happened to LG's 99% PC DCI claim though?

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What gave you the impression it would be improved (it hasn't since they launched it in 2013)? LG has made no claims of future improvement. The refresh rate needs to be doubled and/or an impulse mode or frame insertion mode added if this is ever to happen. They only seem to care about maximizing brightness and not even giving the user the option of a sacrifice in such for better motion rez.
Disappointing that we probably will never have an OLED TV with both BFI and 3D. Once Sony release their consumer OLED TV, 3D will be gone.
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I've run a few tests now out of the box unaltered. First few slides are cinema mode with a 2.2 gamma.

Following slides are isf dark room with 2.4 gamma.

Uniformity so far looks great, I'm gonna tweak 2 point to see if I can improve a little bit on the accuracy of my isf settings.

Interestingly, both settings use standard color, but cinema covers 99.9% of rec 709 while isf covers 111%...
How's the tv in general ?how were your slides ..thanks for the updates also..
I'll have to agree with others...this is a vast improvement on the Ef series. I haven't run one of the compensation cycles but I'm very pleased with how its handling just out of the box. Only banding I've noticed so far I'll attribute to the grading of the movie which was cabin in the woods. No vignetting though which is a big plus!
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Would you agree that gone are the days where calibrators needed to know certain tricks in order to properly calibrate a LG OLED? Since the CMS was borked?
Should someone who knows how to properly calibrate a Plasma/LED TV be able to work on a 2016 OLED TV? Without ever having worked on an OLED before?

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Count me in on not being bothered. I've stood at some pretty extreme angles with the EF9500, and it still looks pretty great to me, color wise.

I'd argue that, even with a slight color shift if you do notice it, it's far more watchable than say, a FALD LED, because of the strong bloom off axis, not to mention the wash out.
Ok, as long as it's something that's not really noticeable. The way the review sounds like it is an obvious tint. But if it is much less than what you would see with washout from an LCD then I don't see it being a problem as I have a projection TV and that is similar to what an LCD shows, if not worse.

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What gave you the impression it would be improved (it hasn't since they launched it in 2013)? LG has made no claims of future improvement. The refresh rate needs to be doubled and/or an impulse mode or frame insertion mode added if this is ever to happen. They only seem to care about maximizing brightness and not even giving the user the option of a sacrifice in such for better motion rez.
Please take no offense at this, but I always view responses like this as making excuses for the manufacturers. Of course he is disappointed, as he has a right to be. As a consumer, you shouldn't "expect" it to be the same if there is a problem with the TV. You should expect the manufacturer to do their best to resolve any problems that are present, especially a problem that has been present for years.

So far the G6 has been doing well in regards on improvements from prior models when hearing owner impressions, so that is a good thing. But if there are still problems present, I feel it is the right for people to still be disappointed, however long these problems have been around. I actually think it's understandable to be 'more' disappointed due to it being an ongoing issue.

I am still hoping that the motion resolution issue is something that won't be noticeable to me when I do get a chance to finally take a look at the TV.
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I've run a few tests now out of the box unaltered. First few slides are cinema mode with a 2.2 gamma.

Following slides are isf dark room with 2.4 gamma.

Uniformity so far looks great, I'm gonna tweak 2 point to see if I can improve a little bit on the accuracy of my isf settings.

Interestingly, both settings use standard color, but cinema covers 99.9% of rec 709 while isf covers 111%...
can you check wide color/Dci mode? Would love to see how It measures against dci and rec2020 targets, and especially whether the hue lines in dci mode follow Dci target instead of rec709 like ef9500 does
I haven't run a test yet to see how well it's tracking, but I did at least check how much of 2020 it covers
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Would you agree that gone are the days where calibrators needed to know certain tricks in order to properly calibrate a LG OLED? Since the CMS was borked?
Should someone who knows how to properly calibrate a Plasma/LED TV be able to work on a 2016 OLED TV? Without ever having worked on an OLED before?
I think if you've got some experience behind the wheel you'd probably be ok. I'm sure there's probably still some tweaking especially depending on your meter. And it seems like 5% ire still spikes.

As for HDR that's still anyone's guess on how to calibrate...I did notice that in HDR mode color is still set to standard unless you change it
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I know there aren't a lot of owners out there yet, but I recently set up my 65" G6 and noticed it has a very annoying high-pitched "whine" (not sure if that's the best description), and wanted to know if I'm alone with this. It's not that it's loud, but it pierces other sounds, and seems to get louder the brighter the image (full white screen makes more noise than a dark one). That leads me to believe it isn't the fan. Is it something that could be related to other electronics? I've tried two different surge protectors to see if that affected it, but it doesn't seem help.
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Ok, as long as it's something that's not really noticeable. The way the review sounds like it is an obvious tint. But if it is much less than what you would see with washout from an LCD then I don't see it being a problem as I have a projection TV and that is similar to what an LCD
The criticism with off angle viewing was likely in relation to a plasma display, absolutely no comparison to a LCD television.

Another thing to keep in mind is to know where David is coming from. While most reviewers on this side of the pond have declared OLED as the superior successor to plasma he held out opining with its issues it didn't yet tip the scale towards OLEDs. This is a very postive review for him.
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