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I have no problem paying for a better product, but the manufacturer needs to tell me what I'm getting, they have an obligation to not allow constant conflicting information to abound. Right now you have a situation where I go into a Magnolia where they showcase the g6 in the premier location and have the other panels somewhere else so I can't compare. So I see a spectacular picture on the g6 and they tell me that the e6 is no different except for the better sound so I might as well save the $3,000. But am I in fact getting the same quality picture in the e6 that I see on the g6 and basing my buying decision on? Right now I'm not sure. And it most certainly pays for the sales people to believe that the e6 is the same so they can sell the more affordable panel with a much larger market. And this logic drills all the way down to the b and c models that are $4,000 less! This is a truly a rediculous situation. Lg needs to clarify, so either the g6 is better or their pricing of that panel is ludicrous relative to the others. Regards. Ned.
Take a look at a couple of grayscale uniformity shots from the below two May-built G6s (the second is my current panel). Does it appear that they're undergoing any additional QC at least?
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No. It uses dynamic contrast which crushes blacks, a very cool color temperature, and all the enhancements turned on. If you want some pop for daytime viewing, use isf brightroom. If warm 2 is not to your liking, use warm 1.
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Take a look at a couple of grayscale uniformity shots from the below two May-built G6s (the second is my current panel). Does it appear that they're undergoing any additional QC at least?
It's amazing that the E6 pics look better than the G6.

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Yes, and that was one (in hindsight) idiotic reason for me to ditch that original E6. Yea, it had 5 dead subpixels but generally better grayscale uniformity. I bought into the theories that the G6 was getting some kind of special treatment. That may be true in the Polish assembly plant (yet to confirm) where the few owners who have shown the evidence seem to be getting exemplary panels but not in my experience (and the experience of at least one other stateside owner).
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Cubs brewers game looks terrible from the camera angle behind the pitcher but on closeups of everything else it looks great. ESPN btw
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Received my replacement G6 from LG this morning. Haven't had any time to really take a look at things, but after a quick glance at some slides (without any comp cycles), it looks better than the one it replaced. There's a vertical band toward the left side of the screen, but, unlike my last set, it's a darker column rather than a light one. I pulled up a DSE test and couldn't see it, so that's good news. Football will give it a real test.

It's a 608 build, by the way, for those who might be wondering what's out there.
Congrats (well, other than the damn band presence). Mine isn't visible on football fortunately. Did the comp cycles eradicate it?

Given you received an August build, this is more evidence that build date generally has no bearing on what you'll get.
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I just got notified of a new firmware update for the G6. 4.30.07, previously had 4.30.03.

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I just got notified of a new firmware update for the G6. 4.30.07, previously had 4.30.03.

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I just fired her up to see the same update. Time to hunt for some changelogs.
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Congrats (well, other than the damn band presence). Mine isn't visible on football fortunately. Did the comp cycles eradicate it?

Given you received an August build, this is more evidence that build date generally has no bearing on what you'll get.
It's still there in slides after a few days, but I haven't seen it in any content at all, including football. No DSE during football, either, so I'm happy in that regard.,

Unfortunately, it's got a good amount of yellow staining. Not really effecting content as far as I can tell, so I'm going to live with it. I'm tired of exchanging and dealing with warranty claims, and with my luck, I'd send this one back and get one with banding/DSE again. Pick your poison, I suppose. I'll take this issue over the annoying banding.
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Can we see your 5% IRE? Yellow discoloration is too bad, but at long as the gradients are gradual, I imagine it won't be too obvious in most content.

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Here's a grey picture after 25 hours of use and I think 4 automatic cleanups.

You can easily see the almost 1/3rd of the picture darker on the left side than the rest. That's not even 5% or anything it's a higher grey.

I can see this often in content if it's a rather uniform picture and I check where the band is.

I think my oled adventure might be coming to a close, I don't see myself trying a third one so I'm just wondering if there's a chance that darker side will become more uniform or not? Should I try a manual cleanup?
Can you see that in normal TV watching?
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Anyway there are quite a lot of not so good panel!
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Can you see that in normal TV watching?
Yes I can see it in normal watching and games etc. It makes a vertical separation. I don't see all the content on the left side as darker as the right side I see the separation part.

For example in my 4k soccer sample I can see it.

My first E6 didn't have that in the soccer test or elsewhere but the bright band on the left that was 3-4 inch thick was worse than this when it appeared in dark scenes but when it did not appear it was less bad than this bar.
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I would tend to agree the highly defined demarcation points are the biggest culprit in causing the anomalies to be more visible.
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FWIW, I see no difference in judder between my 65" B6 and my 75" Sony 940c. When one shows judder in a particular scene, the other does too. No difference in occurrence or magnitude from what I can see.
Well I wish I could say the same my friend, unfortunately I was just at BB viewing several LG OLED's including the top of the line 6G today. I was checking out this very thing and motion remains a rather big problem for me.

So I'm hoping many of you here can confirm and tell me if you are experiencing similar issues when it comes to motion handling on other displays not just the OLED's. Also I know some of you here have swapped out or upgraded your current display for this very new top of the line LED/LCD display the ''Z9'' and I would like to here your take on the motion handling. Now as for myself I'm coming from the Sharp ELITE Pro, and from what I call tell the motion handling it very similar or the same as the ''Z9''.

So I was just at BB viewing several LG OLED's including the top of the line 6G today. I was checking out the motion handling and it remains a rather big problem for me.
I made sure and turned off all the motion enhancements but it still didn't look any good. Now I know some Judder is normal on 25pfs content but this was way to high very abnormal way to much Judder going on here it was way out of control. And this wasn't the only issue I saw that bothered me, I saw very bad motion trailing. This was was very obvious and distracting to me, it just wasn't something I could ignore. Now I'm not sure if it's something similar to Plasma trailing but whatever it was I didn't like it and found it very distracting. It looked like a motion streek or phosphor trail but do OLED's have them as well?

Also I realize their may be other factors going on here as well that can explain what I'm seeing such as my sensitively to motion artifacts or that some other people are used to these kind of motion artifacts and just don't notice them anymore? Or perhaps some can choose to choose to ignore them or grow accustomed to them over time?

So as I sad I'm coming form a Sharp ELITE Pro and the motion is spot on, and I know other top end displays like the ''Z9'' can be just as good but I'm just really confused as to why these top of the line OLED's can't do as good for me on the 24pfs motion and I'm seeking answers. I know other who have come forward to say they can see the same issues as me so I know I'm not alone! So unless I could get used to these motion artifacts, (highly unlikely) these awesome looking OLED's or other displays having the same motion artifacts are just not going to fly with me.

I of course will continue to look into this and observe other display mainly the OLED's since I believe that's the future. Meanwhile I will try arrange for a viewing with a side by side comparison so I can better discribe what I'm seeing and figure out what's going on. Anyway I guess this is all mute for some of you because if you don't see what I'm trying to discribe here then it's probably for the better.

 

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just got my e6, playing around with settings. Is there a way to show what resolution it's playing at? I used to play netflix on ps4 and i can see the resolution on the top left of my screen. My netflix says ultra HD for the show I'm watching but I can't confirm while I'm watching.

Also, how high do you guys have your brightness/contrast/oled light?
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just got my e6, playing around with settings. Is there a way to show what resolution it's playing at? I used to play netflix on ps4 and i can see the resolution on the top left of my screen. My netflix says ultra HD for the show I'm watching but I can't confirm while I'm watching.

Also, how high do you guys have your brightness/contrast/oled light?
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I don't know what to tell you not having seen their setup. Remember my observations are based on playing the identical content, not different demo loops as in BB, on both my Sony & B6.

When judder is present in a scene on the OLED, the identical scene shows exactly the same judder on the 940c. At BB, unless you can bring your own content via USB drive, most displays are fed the manufacturer's unique demo loop.

BTW, I too had the Elite in its 60" iteration, and thought motion handling was no different.
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I think opinions will vary here, but I would say it's typical for the 2016 oleds. Off axis tinting may be exaggerating it too. See the rtings.com review, yours is like theirs.
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I don't know what to tell you not having seen their setup. Remember my observations are based on playing the identical content, not different demo loops as in BB, on both my Sony & B6.

When judder is present in a scene on the OLED, the identical scene shows exactly the same judder on the 940c. At BB, unless you can bring your own content via USB drive, most displays are fed the manufacturer's unique demo loop.

BTW, I too had the Elite in its 60" iteration, and thought motion handling was no different.
I've had the sharp elite and the Sony 940c. I have no issues with the motion on the e6. I find it just as good as the Sony. I don't see what everyone's talking about with the motion issues, maybe I just don't see it. I hated the motion on the js9500. I never thought the motion on the sharp was that great. Felt like I step back after having Panasonic plasmas.
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Watching football on the E6. Whenever the football is thrown or kicked (not including slow-mo replays), it appears as a blur. It looks like there are 3 frames worth of the football-in-motion being shown at once, throughout the flight of the ball.

Anyone else see this?

I've got the motion compensation settings as I want them, to avoid SOE when watching movies. Perhaps I should try the sports mode and trade off the accuracy of the ISF settings during football games...

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just got my e6, playing around with settings. Is there a way to show what resolution it's playing at? I used to play netflix on ps4 and i can see the resolution on the top left of my screen. My netflix says ultra HD for the show I'm watching but I can't confirm while I'm watching.

Also, how high do you guys have your brightness/contrast/oled light?
Click in the upper left corner on the screen twice.

For cable, I go 50/75/47 For bluray movies, I go 50/80/70. Other related settings, gamma 2.2 or medium. Color temp warm 2 or w50.
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Well, Sports Mode isn't the mess I expected. It is user-configurable, so I got rid of some of the unwanted settings (dynamic contrast, dynamic color, etc.) -- but the TruMotion Smooth setting does fix the blurriness of the football (mostly), and it doesn't look bad because it's 60fps instead of 24fps. Looks like I'll use Sports Mode for some sports, after all.

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Well, Sports Mode isn't the mess I expected. It is user-configurable, so I got rid of some of the unwanted settings (dynamic contrast, dynamic color, etc.) -- but the TruMotion Smooth setting does fix the blurriness of the football (mostly), and it doesn't look bad because it's 60fps instead of 24fps. Looks like I'll use Sports Mode for some sports, after all.
Turn off TruMotion. It makes sports worse. You will start seeing vapor trails especially with baseball with TruMotion on.

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No. It uses dynamic contrast which crushes blacks, a very cool color temperature, and all the enhancements turned on. If you want some pop for daytime viewing, use isf brightroom. If warm 2 is not to your liking, use warm 1.
I have been experimenting with this very thing (NFL, Cubs games)
I started with ISF Bright which Chad calibrated and looks fantastic
For movies and quality broadcast, there have however been times
I felt it was missing that extra pop I am used too for sports,
Chad suggested Trying Dynamic contrast on the Bright mode (Warm 2 with all other enhancements off) which so far is giving me the look
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So, what is involved in the process of taking measurements of each panel coming off the line? I have not seen any evidence that there is such a process, or that such a process would be feasible while keeping the costs to the levels they are now. This topic came up last year, and IIRC Rogo, indicated that there was no likely process beyond a quick visual inspection to ensure there were not visually obvious defects in the panels that moved to the display production line.

But if you have any information on this process, this sort of thing interests me and I would love to dig into the manufacturing/post-manufacturing/testing process a little deeper.
It's not that difficult to attach a test harness to a raw panel and test if it powers up and displays a pattern. You could measure brightness or power consumption (if they are related) while you do this. The only official information I've seen of LG's test procedures was this old article.

Another possibility regarding G6 specs could be related to yields. When they first started shipping this model (I think it was first out), maybe yields of brighter panels were not high enough to put a guarantee into he official specs of better HDR performance. As the year progressed, maybe they've been able to allocate enough brighter panels for the G6 and use excess inventory in some of the other lower-end models. It's too late to change spec but maybe they feel it's a good way to reward buyers of the more expensive models.

When comparing brightness measurements, I would not include the B6 because it lacks a 3D filter. We don't know how much light is lost in the filter so you can't compare their native panel brightness on an equal footing. Raw B6 panels could be dimmer but make up the difference due to lack of filter. Heck, maybe that's why they removed the filter in the first place. It could allow them to boost brightness of panels that would otherwise not meet the 540 nit HDR requirements and still sell them without 3D support.
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Turn off TruMotion. It makes sports worse. You will start seeing vapor trails especially with baseball with TruMotion on.
With TruMotion off, the football is 3-frames-at-a-time blurry. What is the approved solution? (TruMotion Smooth does fix the 3-frames-at-a-time blurriness.)

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Click in the upper left corner on the screen twice.

For cable, I go 50/75/47 For bluray movies, I go 50/80/70. Other related settings, gamma 2.2 or medium. Color temp warm 2 or w50.
ah thanks!

Do you get alot of like, not sure what its called, pixelation or background noise ? I am getting a decent amount.

will running clear panel noise help?

and is screenshift the automatic IR protection?

And I am getting judder, for example on the movie two towers, when the screen is panning in the scene where aragorn is looking at rohan, it had judder, anyway to get rid of this?

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what video settings do you guys use? tv is so dark, I have to jack up the brightness/oled light.
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