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No, it's algorithm is not that robust and always abides by the timer as set in the service menu. It's the optical signal that stays lit, and it can be seen glowing through the USB port IIRC (only had an E6 for a short time).
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Ah, I see. Well, I couldn't see any light at all, and the room was otherwise pitch dark, but I was only peeking in from the side of the TV as it's quite close to the wall, not getting a very good view of the ports.

I thought it was a dedicated service light that was supposed to glow, not just spill light from the optical port. Sounds like this is very dim and hard to see unless you get really close?

I tried putting up some solid color slides, as well as grey and white, and the TV has no IR and looks really uniform. No dead pixels either after 20 hours or so of use. Hope it stays that way!

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I thought it was a dedicated service light that was supposed to glow, not just spill light from the optical port. Sounds like this is very dim and hard to see unless you get really close?
You can always insert a USB drive with a status light. The USB port will only turn off when the set it not doing a compensation. Otherwise you could also listen for a soft "click" sound that will be delayed when the set is powered down and performing a compensation.
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It would have been nice if they at least provide an option that would cause the "standby light" to flash if a compensation cycle was running...

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I noticed screen uniformity issues on my 65E6P the other day.
The left side of the screen has a slight pinkish/reddish tint to it.
It's a strip that fades after about 10".
It's barely visible but I was able to notice it while watching a TV show.
Anyone know what the issue may be?

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I noticed screen uniformity issues on my 65E6P the other day.
The left side of the screen has a slight pinkish/reddish tint to it.
It's a strip that fades after about 10".
It's barely visible but I was able to notice it while watching a TV show.
Anyone know what the issue may be?

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Yep normal.
What is it, glue, light refractions, magic?

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I noticed screen uniformity issues on my 65E6P the other day.
From time to time you are going to see this or that. Its great that it is a rare occasion for you. If its not broken, don't fix it

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From time to time you are going to see this or that. Its great that it is a rare occasion for you. If its not broken, don't fix it

---OLED77G6P Took a nice hit out there.
No this is permanent, I notice the pinkish edge tint all the time.
Do you know what that is?

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No this is permanent, I notice the pinkish edge tint all the time.
Do you know what that is?
I do see a color shift with pure whites on my B6, but only when viewing from an angle (it's kind of annoying when watching hockey if viewing from an angle - once you see it, it's hard to "un-see") - the right side will have a much "warmer" tint than the left side. But straight-on, I don't see it.

I certainly wouldn't call it "normal" if you can see it head-on though...

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I do see a color shift with pure whites on my B6, but only when viewing from an angle (it's kind of annoying when watching hockey if viewing from an angle - once you see it, it's hard to "un-see") - the right side will have a much "warmer" tint than the left side. But straight-on, I don't see it.

I certainly wouldn't call it "normal" if you can see it head-on though...

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I think it's that purple-pink light refraction coating on the screen that is doing it.
Bad design choice if you ask me.

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Thanks.
I think it's that purple-pink light refraction coating on the screen that is doing it.
Bad design choice if you ask me.
It probably is that coating. When my E6 is turned OFF that screen coating is so obvious when sunlight hits it. Strangely, my panel is pretty uniform when turned ON and watching hockey. I wouldnt worry, seems normal.

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Thanks.
I think it's that purple-pink light refraction coating on the screen that is doing it.
Bad design choice if you ask me.
I see white dead-on, but a shift from blue-white to yellow-white depending on the viewing angle (cool to warm).
All of my Samsung AMOLED phones have had similar shifts when looking at the screen from different angles, so perhaps it's a nuance of the tech and enhanced by the surface area of a large set.
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Netflix through Amazon Fire box has raised blacks?

So finally got a 4K Netflix subscription, and using the Amazon Fire box to access it, the blacks are seriously raised. The letterbox bars are a dark grey like I was watching an LCD.

Is this normal for 4K Netflix, or is the Fire box to blame? I haven't yet had a look to see what it's like on the LG's built-in app, but I will today.

As an aside, I was somewhat surprised to note that the Amazon Fire box does not support any form of HDR...

EDIT:

It's the Fire box. The LG's built-in app works just fine with the blacks being black, and of course it has both types of HDR support.

Pathetic, Amazon. If it wasn't for Fire being able to load Kodi, it would be straight to ebay with it.

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So finally got a 4K Netflix subscription, and using the Amazon Fire box to access it, the blacks are seriously raised. The letterbox bars are a dark grey like I was watching an LCD.

Is this normal for 4K Netflix, or is the Fire box to blame? I haven't yet had a look to see what it's like on the LG's built-in app, but I will today.

As an aside, I was somewhat surprised to note that the Amazon Fire box does not support any form of HDR...

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It's the Fire box. The LG's built-in app works just fine with the blacks being black, and of course it has both types of HDR support.

Pathetic, Amazon. If it wasn't for Fire being able to load Kodi, it would be straight to ebay with it.
Did you change the output of the Fire Box to output 4K? I guess I assume yes or you wouldn't see it change to HDR. I actually always use the LG app for 4k, not any of my devices. Just seems easier since it's right on the TV. I'll check out Netflix on one of my devices to see how it looks on my TV.

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Did you change the output of the Fire Box to output 4K? I guess I assume yes or you wouldn't see it change to HDR. I actually always use the LG app for 4k, not any of my devices. Just seems easier since it's right on the TV. I'll check out Netflix on one of my devices to see how it looks on my TV.
The Fire box is on "Auto - up to 4K UHD" which is its highest available resolution setting.

It does not support HDR.

It raises the black level 6-8 points.

I know it's old tech. I keep it around for Kodi.
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The Fire box is on "Auto - up to 4K UHD" which is its highest available resolution setting.

It does not support HDR.

It raises the black level 6-8 points.

I know it's old tech. I keep it around for Kodi.
Is the fire box sending rgb full instead of limited? If so, you need to set HDMI black level to high on the tv.
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Is the fire box sending rgb full instead of limited? If so, you need to set HDMI black level to high on the tv.
From the XDA Developers site: "i get washed out blacks when watching movies <on the Fire> due to the RGB limited (16-235) output of the fire TV"

I find it annoying having to make changes to the TV's settings when switching sources - I shouldn't have to do that; the TV is sophisticated enough to know that it's seeing blacks clipped at 0 or 16 and should adjust itself in the same way it knows what incoming resolution it's seeing and how to set its scaler. I know that some people here like to tweak the LG when changing sources, or even media from the same source, but I don't.

There is allegedly some undocumented combination of remote button pushes that will get the Fire to change the RGB output range. When I have the time, I'll try it.
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2016 LG OLED 65G6P and 65E6P Owners Thread

Is there a way to display the current resolution on the g6? I have amazon and the 4K shows are showing as 1080p at the bottom of the screen


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Is there a way to display the current resolution on the g6? I have amazon and the 4K shows are showing as 1080p at the bottom of the screen
At my place, Amazon always starts off at 1080, then it determines that I have sufficient Internet speed, and upshifts to UHD. It usually takes a minute or two.

I haven't found a way to see incoming resolution, but the panel always runs at full UHD resolution, and upscales anything that comes in lower to UHD.
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Seems this thread is wavering now with 2017 LG and Sony capturing the AVS masses' attention. That said, the only >65" OLED model available to buy today is the G6 (which just received a price discount for those seeking), so here are some pix at 1000 hours (and they're not pretty). If you're a stickler for uniformity, you should especially resist looking at this size, IMO. Maybe the new models hitting this summer (optimistically) will be better, but the brightness differentiation (notice the corners) and banding near black are a bit much to stomach given the price:




Turn the lights down low enough, and those brightness variations (silver lining: at least the gradients are relatively smooth) and darker columns will show up as uneven luminance and DSE in triggering content on occasion, and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. The other two owners here who posted photos showed similar manifestations, with one owner raising a complaint about the columnar effects. Lilkim is happy, and that makes me envious.
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Seems this thread is wavering now with 2017 LG and Sony capturing the AVS masses' attention. That said, the only >65" OLED model available to buy today is the G6 (which just received a price discount for those seeking), so here are some pix at 1000 hours (and they're not pretty). If you're a stickler for uniformity, you should especially resist looking at this size, IMO. Maybe the new models hitting this summer (optimistically) will be better, but the brightness differentiation (notice the corners) and banding near black are a bit much to stomach given the price:




Turn the lights down low enough, and those brightness variations (silver lining: at least the gradients are relatively smooth) and darker columns will show up as uneven luminance and DSE in triggering content on occasion, and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. The other two owners here who posted photos showed similar manifestations, with one owner raising a complaint about the columnar effects. Lilkim is happy, and that makes me envious.
Wow, that's not very good for the price of a 77 inch model. I would imagine the yield rate on a screen that size has to be be less than 50%. Probably why they are so expensive. If LG considers that acceptable, then IMO the yield rate should be much lower, because that would not be acceptable to me. I can see why Panasonic and Sony are staying away from screen sizes that big. Since LG is their panel supplier, LG really needs to figure out how to make the larger screens more uniform.
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Oh, Iron Man certainly looked like ass tonight. We've had discussions previously here about how the 55" is likely easier to manufacturer (and thus has higher yields) than the 65", and the same no doubt holds true for this size that is 40% larger. I took a leap of faith that they might care a little more about the final product on this supposedly hand built TV (and the fact that I've become a 3D fiend). Might be giving LG a call to raise a complaint, but I expect they'll give me the same spiel as they did about the 65". Both Sony and Panasonic actually have a 77" slated for release this year, and the Sony has already been priced at a relative bargain (in comparison to 2016) at $15k SRP. I can only conclude that this is evidence of increased confidence in yield improvements this year with new factories coming online (and hopefully uniformity improvements for the sake of eagle-eyed customers). Below are photos from the two other 77" owners who have checked in here as a reminder that this is in all likelihood not isolated. They are less clear due to ambient lighting and blurrier images, but I think you get the idea...this is the best they can do as of 11-2016.
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If at 2500 hours it's still as bothersome in content, I might end up using it exclusively for daytime + 3D viewing and reserve the 65-incher in the sideroom for more intimate viewing of SDR/HDR at night. Short of one of them catastrophically failing, I am at the end of the road for yearly TV acquisitions (starting in 2013 after I fatefully retired the Kuro, though 2016 was a bit of a fluke year since I was able to trade that EF9500 in for a G6), and this monster has to last me at least 5 (more like 10) years.

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If at 2500 hours it's still as bothersome in content, I might end up using it exclusively for daytime + 3D viewing and reserve the 65-incher in the sideroom for more intimate viewing of SDR/HDR at night. Short of one of them catastrophically failing, I am at the end of the road for yearly TV acquisitions (starting in 2013 after I fatefully retired the Kuro, though 2016 was a bit of a fluke year since I was able to trade that EF9500 in for a G6), and this monster has to last me at least 5 (more like 10) years.
The sad part is these OLED's do not hold their value like the Pioneer plasmas did and still do. You will be lucky to get 25% of what you paid for the tv in 2 years. So a tv purchased for $5000 would be lucky to sell for $1500 in 2 years, and probably a give away in 5 years.
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Hot Fuzz (another firm favorite!) looked 95-97% great with it being filmed using proper contrast, and I'd not raise a peep if the viewing experience always matched it. Movies with scenes where contrast is intentionally lowered are the biggest problem areas for these TVs as you well know. Looking forward to the day when no OLED owner needs to be mindful of movies to avoid.

The Kuros certainly didn't have any glaring defects and represented end of line for the superior plasma tech. LG WOLED is the only game in town. Would be interesting what would happen to resale prices if, heaven forbid, they closed up operations. I don't think that's likely to happen short of another economic implosion akin to 2008 (or greater). What you stated about resale value is part of why I haven't put up any OLEDs for sale (save for the EA9800, and I ultimately didn't get any local takers in what amounts to a rural area).

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The sad part is these OLED's do not hold their value like the Pioneer plasmas did and still do. You will be lucky to get 25% of what you paid for the tv in 2 years. So a tv purchased for $5000 would be lucky to sell for $1500 in 2 years, and probably a give away in 5 years.
I am not sure about that
I have seen many of the Pioneer plasmas for less than $1000 purchased by AVS forum members

IIRC...the Pioneer plasmas( before they were being highly discounted on clearance at Best Buy) were in the $6000 range for a 60"

The other thing is that it is a different market today than it was a even 5-7 years ago
We are getting something new almost every year...first 4K...then HDR and then Dolby vision and now there are a few others in the wings
To say nothing about changing HDMI and HDCP specs to accommodate the changes
It took a few years to get 1080P a few years ago and there was really nothing new for a while

If you an early adopter, these days on a panel, resale is not something that should even be a consideration for you



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I am not sure about that
I have seen many of the Pioneer plasmas for less than $1000 purchased by AVS forum members

IIRC...the Pioneer plasmas( before they were being highly discounted on clearance at Best Buy) were in the $6000 range for a 60"

The other thing is that it is a different market today than it was a even 5-7 years ago
We are getting something new almost every year...first 4K...then HDR and then Dolby vision and now there are a few others in the wings
To say nothing about changing HDMI and HDCP specs to accommodate the changes
It took a few years to get 1080P a few years ago and there was really nothing new for a while

If you an early adopter, these days on a panel, resale is not something that should even be a consideration for you

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The plasmas should continue to hold their resale value for a while, simply because they are no longer being made. But they're aging out of contention - between years of subtle screen burn, maximum screen size that seems small to many now, and a lack of repair facilities or parts, they will become an extreme niche product in the not to distant future.

Except for cars and houses, I stopped considering potential resale value when buying consumer commodity items long ago. I rarely buy on the bleeding edge, preferring to wait for second generation prices to drop. I got a great price on my 65E6, and unless it has a catastrophic failure I plan on keeping it at least 5-7 years. I kept the previous JVC DiLA set for 10 years, and what I really liked about it was that every 3 years or so a new $200 bulb would make it into a new set again. But eventually it had to go. Assuming it keeps working, there will have to be some serious improvements for me to dump the 65E6 for something new and shiny.

It will be, as you say, mostly HDMI and HDCP upgrades that will drive sales of new sets for the people who come to these forums. For some, something as basic as extending the ARC spec to allow for Dolby TruHD with HDMI 3.0 is enough to get a new set (and a new AVR, and a new UHD player, and...).

And if the people at the HDMI Consortium actually manage to pull their heads out of their collective rectums and not only nail down the CEC spec properly, but manage to enforce a policy of "It's all or nothing - you will not remove any parts of it or extend the spec in any way to favor your hardware! Everyone implements it in the same way!" the way they have done with HDMI, and it becomes universally useful (not holding my breath here), that might also drive sales of new gear.
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The plasmas should continue to hold their resale value for a while, simply because they are no longer being made. But they're aging out of contention - between years of subtle screen burn, maximum screen size that seems small to many now, and a lack of repair facilities or parts, they will become an extreme niche product in the not to distant future.

Except for cars and houses, I stopped considering potential resale value when buying consumer commodity items long ago. I rarely buy on the bleeding edge, preferring to wait for second generation prices to drop. I got a great price on my 65E6, and unless it has a catastrophic failure I plan on keeping it at least 5-7 years. I kept the previous JVC DiLA set for 10 years, and what I really liked about it was that every 3 years or so a new $200 bulb would make it into a new set again. But eventually it had to go. Assuming it keeps working, there will have to be some serious improvements for me to dump the 65E6 for something new and shiny.

It will be, as you say, mostly HDMI and HDCP upgrades that will drive sales of new sets for the people who come to these forums. For some, something as basic as extending the ARC spec to allow for Dolby TruHD with HDMI 3.0 is enough to get a new set (and a new AVR, and a new UHD player, and...).

And if the people at the HDMI Consortium actually manage to pull their heads out of their collective rectums and not only nail down the CEC spec properly, but manage to enforce a policy of "It's all or nothing - you will not remove any parts of it or extend the spec in any way to favor your hardware! Everyone implements it in the same way!" the way they have done with HDMI, and it becomes universally useful (not holding my breath here), that might also drive sales of new gear.
Well said, Doug - especially about how as great plasmas were and really still are, they are becoming hopelessly outdated like every minute by the minute. My 50" KURO would be barely considered a computer monitor right now. Hell, my 65" OLED is already too small! . Then, like ya said, connectivity issues, no apps, unable to support new standards & features, etc etc. It just gets to be too much to overcome and whatever nostalgic/legendary ora these plasmas had cant overcome all the stuff they simply CANT do.

I also agree with never buying anything electronic and considering its potential resale value. All of this stuff drops in price like a car - the very second you take it out of the showroom! I tend to stick with my TVs and gear for a while anyways. Thats why I try to buy good stuff right off the bat and spend more upfront for quality.

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