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Updated this weekend via USB. Everything seems fine, but obviously the Dolby Vision issues are still there. Sounds like they're still working on it, and it's nice to see any update on the 6 series still occurring.
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6 series owners I am curious...

What breakthrough would LG's OLEDs have to make for you to upgrade to a newer model in the future?

A 77 inch at an affordable price? eARC? 8K? 88 inches?

I'm already jealous of the newer sets with:

DD+/Atmos over ARC

Netflix Atmos

60 FPS Dolby Vision

Better motion of 24 FPS content @ 60 FPS

Much improved HDR10

(I'm one of those peeps where 3D strains my eyes, so it's no big loss personally.)

A well-priced 77" with 3D. Preferably with sub 1 frame input lag.
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6 series owners I am curious...

What breakthrough would LG's OLEDs have to make for you to upgrade to a newer model in the future?

A 77 inch at an affordable price? eARC? 8K? 88 inches?

I'm already jealous of the newer sets with:

DD+/Atmos over ARC

Netflix Atmos

60 FPS Dolby Vision

Better motion of 24 FPS content @ 60 FPS

Much improved HDR10

(I'm one of those peeps where 3D strains my eyes, so it's no big loss personally.)
3D would have to make a comeback. Better near black. And either technology to overcome potential burn-in or a warranty to cover it if it happens.
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6 series owners I am curious...

What breakthrough would LG's OLEDs have to make for you to upgrade to a newer model in the future?

A 77 inch at an affordable price? eARC? 8K? 88 inches?

I'm already jealous of the newer sets with:

DD+/Atmos over ARC

Netflix Atmos

60 FPS Dolby Vision

Better motion of 24 FPS content @ 60 FPS

Much improved HDR10

(I'm one of those peeps where 3D strains my eyes, so it's no big loss personally.)
I'm just waiting for the wallpaper version of one of the larger sets (preferably 88" 8K) to get more in my price range. I'd also like uniformity improvements, as well as 1000 nits or higher capabilities. HDMI 2.1 features, but that goes without saying.

I was planning on upgrading in 2-3 years, which would see my 65" E6 retired to bedroom duty. I like 3D, but it doesn't drive my purchasing decisions, as I only have like 5 3D titles.
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A well-priced 77" with 3D. Preferably with sub 1 frame input lag.
My best guess is that the 2019 OLED's will sport the next version of HDMI which will support 120 fps and faster data transfer.


I just wish that LG would update my 65C6P to view HDR on youtube and provide Atmos passthrough to my receiver.
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My best guess is that the 2019 OLED's will sport the next version of HDMI which will support 120 fps and faster data transfer.


I just wish that LG would update my 65C6P to view HDR on youtube and provide Atmos passthrough to my receiver.
I'm planning to purchase a Roku stick thingy. Not for those reasons, but it would solve both those issues for you (I think).
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Does this update fix the dark hdr game mode?
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Does this update fix the dark hdr game mode?
No.

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My best guess is that the 2019 OLED's will sport the next version of HDMI which will support 120 fps and faster data transfer.
There are some saying it will be a few year before a new HDMI version is released.
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What breakthrough would LG's OLEDs have to make for you to upgrade to a newer model in the future?
3D would be a requirement. 2D-only panels essentially wreck my collection, so I will cling to my E6 until they pry it from my cold, dead hands. In fact, with nobody else making 3D models, it would be a competitive advantage for LG.

After that, Atmos over ARC and affordable glass-on-wall version would be compelling for me.

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Just in case some of you guys didn't see it this morning: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#73ce58302ee5

Looks like we're getting closer and closer to a fix, but unfortunately, no time-frame was given.
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^ Still no mention of unlocking Dolby Vision calibration for the 2016 panels. Sigh....
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^ Still no mention of unlocking Dolby Vision calibration for the 2016 panels. Sigh....
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Correct, which is a bummer. Honestly, as long as they can fix the raised black issue, then I'll be pretty satisfied for a while...

...until the 2019 series is announced.
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Haven't read the article yet, but maybe someone ought to poke John on that particular point. Perhaps he can probe his LG contacts about DV calibration unlocking. It's kind've a big deal on the last TVs that support both DV and 3D (other than the Z9D, though I haven't followed to confirm if it received its DV update yet).
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There are some saying it will be a few year before a new HDMI version is released.
And of course to take advantage of it, everything connected has to conform to it - the sources, the destinations, and the cables in between.

There's no point in having an HDMI 2.1 input on your TV if your sources don't support the standard. So new TV, new AVR, new UHD player, new game console, new streaming box etc.

Pretty much a full tech refresh to make use of the new features - not inexpensive.
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And of course to take advantage of it, everything connected has to conform to it - the sources, the destinations, and the cables in between.

There's no point in having an HDMI 2.1 input on your TV if your sources don't support the standard. So new TV, new AVR, new UHD player, new game console, new streaming box etc.

Pretty much a full tech refresh to make use of the new features - not inexpensive.
You are correct. It’s basically a full blown upgrade that’d be required and I’m not in the mood, lol. I also don’t wanna give up 3D even though when it first came out I didn’t care much for it. It’s just so good on these 2016 sets that it’s a huge thing to lose. Eventually I’ll obviously upgrade but it’s gonna be a while!
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^ Also watch out for early implementations of "2.1" which exclude many "optional" features touted for the new standard.

If you buy into later hardware -- still "2.1" -- which implements those options, the earlier "2.1" purchases may very well need to be replaced AGAIN to take advantage.

Consider the folks who jumped early into 4K gear only to discover it was not also 4K + HDR gear.

The supported level of Copy Protection can also lag. Copy Protection is imposed on top of the HDMI spec, and has a life cycle of its own.

When HDMI 2.1 first hits the shelves, I expect there's going to be lots of confusion about what's REALLY being delivered, and what, if any, upgrade paths are assured.
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^ Also watch out for early implementations of "2.1" which exclude many "optional" features touted for the new standard.

If you buy into later hardware -- still "2.1" -- which implements those options, the earlier "2.1" purchases may very well need to be replaced AGAIN to take advantage.

Consider the folks who jumped early into 4K gear only to discover it was not also 4K + HDR gear.

The supported level of Copy Protection can also lag. Copy Protection is imposed on top of the HDMI spec, and has a life cycle of its own.

When HDMI 2.1 first hits the shelves, I expect there's going to be lots of confusion about what's REALLY being delivered, and what, if any, upgrade paths are assured.
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HDMI and it’s "specs" have been quite irritating, haven’t they? It’s like....us folks have enough to worry about with this great hobby. The last thing we need is HDMI & cables being a source of incapability and frustration. Right? HDMI should just work and do it’s thing. Be transparent. Get it right, out of the box and eliminate confusion.
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HDMI and it’s "specs" have been quite irritating, haven’t they? It’s like....us folks have enough to worry about with this great hobby. The last thing we need is HDMI & cables being a source of incapability and frustration. Right? HDMI should just work and do it’s thing. Be transparent. Get it right, out of the box and eliminate confusion.
Standards are important, and when clearly laid out, with everyone following them, they work. It's when manufacturers decide to cut corners, or advertise capabilities falsely, or decide they're going to 'augment' the spec that things fall apart.

'HDMI Control' is a prime example of a non-standard 'standard' where it was released out into the wild as public domain, and manufacturers were free to implement as much or as little of it as they wished, and they could 'supplement' it with their own command structure, and it is pretty much useless for most people as a result. A classic example of no governing body enforcing standards. When I first got my E6 and called LG to ask why it wasn't working correctly, the response was "It works properly if all your connected devices are LG!" Seriously? You deliberately destroyed the spec in a stupid attempt to force customers to buy only your products? And they're not alone in this.

Then there's HDR 10, and Samsung's HDR 10+, another example of a PD specification co-opted by a manufacturer who had no business doing so, but were too cheap to pay Dolby, so they decided to just muddy the waters by adding their own. And then there's the endless number of sets that claim to be 'HDR compatible", whatever the hell that means.

The HDMI consortium leave a lot to be desired, but if everyone released HDMI product that fully stuck to the specs, a lot of the issues with it would go away. Most of the issues the first few years of HDMI actually had to do with with the wildly paranoid HDCP spec implementation, that ultra-secure NSA-quality lockdown of content demanded by the content owners that was able to be bypassed with a $25 HDMI splitter from Amazon...
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Back on topic, the 5.30.25 firmware just pushed out for over-the-Internet install into my US LG E6 panel.

So they are in the process of widening the distribution list for this apparently minor update.

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^ Still no mention of unlocking Dolby Vision calibration for the 2016 panels. Sigh....
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What does that mean, please? Calibration cannot be done? I have someone scheduled to come over and calibrate my set.

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What does that mean, please? Calibration cannot be done? I have someone scheduled to come over and calibrate my set.
The LG has different settings for each type of content you might play. The calibrator will have to adjust for each of those. Unfortunately, the settings for Dolby Vision can not be properly calibrated at present as LG has not enabled that yet for the 2016 panels. This won't get in the way of the calibrator adjusting properly for other types of content.
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The LG has different settings for each type of content you might play. The calibrator will have to adjust for each of those. Unfortunately, the settings for Dolby Vision can not be properly calibrated at present as LG has not enabled that yet for the 2016 panels. This won't get in the way of the calibrator adjusting properly for other types of content.
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Is it known whether or not they will ever enable DV to be calibrated?
That was what I was going to pay for.
Thanks for the info!

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Then there's HDR 10, and Samsung's HDR 10+, another example of a PD specification co-opted by a manufacturer who had no business doing so, but were too cheap to pay Dolby, so they decided to just muddy the waters by adding their own. And then there's the endless number of sets that claim to be 'HDR compatible", whatever the hell that means.

The HDMI consortium leave a lot to be desired, but if everyone released HDMI product that fully stuck to the specs, a lot of the issues with it would go away. Most of the issues the first few years of HDMI actually had to do with with the wildly paranoid HDCP spec implementation, that ultra-secure NSA-quality lockdown of content demanded by the content owners that was able to be bypassed with a $25 HDMI splitter from Amazon...
Good post, Doug. Im with ya. Plenty of "muckity-mucking" going on out there. Dont even get me started with HDR and the seemingly multiple formats of that which we are "blessed" with. LOL! This player only plays this format but not that one, this TV only supports this HDR but not that, Dolby Vision is only available on a few players, etc, etc.

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Just got the new update pushed to my set.

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E6 OLED Firmware Update?

Perhaps this is an old update and my television was simply behind on the update list...

When the television was turned on this evening I was informed that my firmware had updated. I am now running version 05.30.25.

Does anyone know what this firmware version changes?


I may have answered the question -if not in full- (from LG's site) -- hope this helps anyone who had the same question, and that if anyone finds extras they will be listed/shared:
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6 series owners I am curious...

What breakthrough would LG's OLEDs have to make for you to upgrade to a newer model in the future?

A 77 inch at an affordable price? eARC? 8K? 88 inches?

I'm already jealous of the newer sets with:

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60 FPS Dolby Vision

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(I'm one of those peeps where 3D strains my eyes, so it's no big loss personally.)
I've never had a high end TV last over 3 years so I assume this TV will also be breaking within the next 2 years and then I'll "upgrade".

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I've never had a high end TV last over 3 years so I assume this TV will also be breaking within the next 2 years and then I'll "upgrade".

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That's a very unfortunate track record! Not sure what sets you purchased in the past, but for the price on these OLEDs, I certainly hope we get more.
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