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What’s weird about my g6p if you raise the brightness > 53 the whole background becomes more
Lit including bars .. sucks


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What’s weird about my g6p if you raise the brightness > 53 the whole background becomes more
Lit including bars .. sucks
The bars are part of the image. What did you think would happen when you raised image brightness?
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The bars are part of the image. What did you think would happen when you raised image brightness?

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Picture would be brighter not black bars .. oh well . Let’s all just wait for the calibrator


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It's only the OLED light that works in that fashion, brightness raises the entire floor.
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On some tv's brightness is called Black Level, which is the correct term. So when adjusting brightness you are setting the black floor. In reality, OLED Light should be called Brightness. For some reason, LG doesn't want to follow the proper nomenclature.
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I have noticed one think, when you set OLED LIGHTS at 100 for Expert Bright mode your perfect black gets ruin. In a complete dark room you notice panel shows some brightness even if there is no picture. It's like we are testing 5% black test on it. Why so? Anybody noticed before?
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It's not actually 5%....1or2% may be....some light bleeding...but you need completely dark room to see that....
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I have noticed one think, when you set OLED LIGHTS at 100 for Expert Bright mode your perfect black gets ruin. In a complete dark room you notice panel shows some brightness even if there is no picture. It's like we are testing 5% black test on it. Why so? Anybody noticed before?
I don't see that at all. Blacks remain black in a totally dark room, no matter what OLED light is set to. I display a 0% slide, and the full black screen remains inky black with OLED light at 0 all the way up to 100.
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I don't see that at all. Blacks remain black in a totally dark room, no matter what OLED light is set to. I display a 0% slide, and the full black screen remains inky black with OLED light at 0 all the way up to 100.
This cant be true....
I tried setting brightness to low but it is not something causing the the bleeding....
Just Try it again, sit in a complete dark room with pitch black screen do not pause the screen or the pause symbol wont let you see the bleeding....then vary the OLED lights to 100 if you have set it to below 50. You will start noticing bleeding post 50 or 60...."ITS ON ALL THE OLEDs"
This oled lights bleeding is too low to be captured by mobile camera but your eyes will definitely notice it.
Though I will try to capture it by a professional camera and post it here.
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This cant be true....
I tried setting brightness to low but it is not something causing the the bleeding....
Just Try it again, sit in a complete dark room with pitch black screen do not pause the screen or the pause symbol wont let you see the bleeding....then vary the OLED lights to 100 if you have set it to below 50. You will start noticing bleeding post 50 or 60...."ITS ON ALL THE OLEDs"
This oled lights bleeding is too low to be captured by mobile camera but your eyes will definitely notice it.
Though I will try to capture it by a professional camera and post it here.
I have a totally black room. I get no bleed with OLED light at 100. I play a 0% full screen slide on my blu ray player, and again, absolutely no bleed. I don't pause it either as it will play for several minutes. I am OCD when it comes to perfect blacks, and mine is perfectly black. I have spent hours over the years to make sure my screen has perfect blacks, which it does. It's not on all OLEDS. If you see any light bleed on a totally black slide, then you may have reverse vignetting where the edges are brighter than the majority of the black screen, which is an issue with some OLED's, not all OLED panels. You very well may have a defective panel if you see bleed on a black screen, or your brightness is not set correctly. Believe me when I say, I have no such issue on my E6 and see no such issue.

Another thing you can try is set OLED light to 100 and brightness to 0. If you see a glow with a 0% black slide, then you will need to go into the service menu and lower sub brightness from 128 to 127, because your tv cant produce perfect blacks until you do. My first E6, and replacement E6 had that issue using gamma 2.2. Lowering sub brightness in service menu fixed it. That is not the same a reverse vignetting like you are seeing, but it's a good test to see if your entire screen has a glow with a 0% slide, even when brightness is set to 0.
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I have a totally black room. I get no bleed with OLED light at 100. I play a 0% full screen slide on my blu ray player, and again, absolutely no bleed. I don't pause it either as it will play for several minutes. I am OCD when it comes to perfect blacks, and mine is perfectly black. I have spent hours over the years to make sure my screen has perfect blacks, which it does. It's not on all OLEDS. If you see any light bleed on a totally black slide, then you may have reverse vignetting where the edges are brighter than the majority of the black screen, which is an issue with some OLED's, not all OLED panels. You very well may have a defective panel if you see bleed on a black screen, or your brightness is not set correctly. Believe me when I say, I have no such issue on my E6 and see no such issue.

Another thing you can try is set OLED light to 100 and brightness to 0. If you see a glow with a 0% black slide, then you will need to go into the service menu and lower sub brightness from 128 to 127, because your tv cant produce perfect blacks until you do. My first E6, and replacement E6 had that issue using gamma 2.2. Lowering sub brightness in service menu fixed it. That is not the same a reverse vignetting like you are seeing, but it's a good test to see if your entire screen has a glow with a 0% slide, even when brightness is set to 0.
How to set/perform 0% slide?
Can I enter in service menu via mobile app or a remote is mandatory?
Tonight I will check it again if I do see the same OLED light bleeding issue or it was just the video (that i way plying ) creating issue.

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Can I enter in service menu via mobile app or a remote is mandatory?
Tonight I will check it again if I do see the same OLED light bleeding issue or it was just the video (that i way plying ) creating issue.

There is a mobile app for Android that I use to get access to the SM on my E6 called: Service Menu Explorer. The free version will NOT work, you have to use the paid app to actually get into the SM. I think it was like $6 bucks. Well worth it as its always worked for me.
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I don’t think switching input label to game console effects pq , but I do think it helped with some judder with 24p material


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No still same judder but lill Worse picture quality but more responsive on games.

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A calibration, adjusting gamma and oled light it will look better...
n prob fixses that.

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There is a mobile app for Android that I use to get access to the SM on my E6 called: Service Menu Explorer. The free version will NOT work, you have to use the paid app to actually get into the SM. I think it was like $6 bucks. Well worth it as its always worked for me.
To add, the phone needs to have an infrared transmitter or dongle to submit the commands for access, adjustment, etc.
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I have a totally black room. I get no bleed with OLED light at 100. I play a 0% full screen slide on my blu ray player, and again, absolutely no bleed. I don't pause it either as it will play for several minutes. I am OCD when it comes to perfect blacks, and mine is perfectly black. I have spent hours over the years to make sure my screen has perfect blacks, which it does. It's not on all OLEDS. If you see any light bleed on a totally black slide, then you may have reverse vignetting where the edges are brighter than the majority of the black screen, which is an issue with some OLED's, not all OLED panels. You very well may have a defective panel if you see bleed on a black screen, or your brightness is not set correctly. Believe me when I say, I have no such issue on my E6 and see no such issue.

Another thing you can try is set OLED light to 100 and brightness to 0. If you see a glow with a 0% black slide, then you will need to go into the service menu and lower sub brightness from 128 to 127, because your tv cant produce perfect blacks until you do. My first E6, and replacement E6 had that issue using gamma 2.2. Lowering sub brightness in service menu fixed it. That is not the same a reverse vignetting like you are seeing, but it's a good test to see if your entire screen has a glow with a 0% slide, even when brightness is set to 0.
Tried 0% black slide on E6 in complete dark room and there was no OLED light bleeding at all, tried several videos with perfect black and there was no issue. I tried the same video again and it showed the same bleeding so might be video faulty.
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What the fix for lip sync issues
Some of my content on Roku and Nvidia shield are off and I can’t figure out why


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You can try messing with the TV audio settings and increase or decrease the delay. Ive had to do it with a few Dolby Vision titles for whatever reason. Outside of that, not sure. You can also pause and/or restart the stream to see if that helps. This audio sync issue appears to affect a lot of users and different TVs these days. It only happens occasionally to me but when it does its extremely annoying.

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The problem with those devices is it converts everything to 60fps, even if it's 23.976 or 24.000 fps. When you do that, you may end up with lip sync issues if the device doesn't do it correctly. I will give Apple credit as the ATV4K allows for frame rate matching, so rarely is there any issues, except when the video being sent to the streamer is 24.000 fps. The ATV can not handle 24.000 fps properly.
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I will give Apple credit as the ATV4K allows for frame rate matching, so rarely is there any issues, except when the video being sent to the streamer is 24.000 fps. The ATV can not handle 24.000 fps properly.

The ATV4K has a lot more issues than that, but in the case of audio sync, when it's dealing with DolbyVision content on, say, Disney+ or Netflix, a lot of people, including me, have had to insert between 80 and 140 ms. of delay in the AVR's audio (in my case a Denon 4300) to compensate for how long the ATV4K takes to deal with DV.

And as you mentioned, several YEARS in, and they haven't bothered to fix their pathetic handling of actual 24 frame content. People surmise it's because they don't care, but with the large number of complaints I see, I think it's more likely they have no idea how to fix it, or else the poorly selected hardware they used to build the box can't accommodate it.

Having said that, and having owned various Roku and Amazon devices, I can say that the ATV4K is the best of a mediocre bunch of streamers when it comes to supporting high end formats like DV and Atmos. Their output from Disney+ content is really quite excellent, for example, with a ton of the content supporting both DV and Atmos properly.
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The ATV4K has a lot more issues than that, but in the case of audio sync, when it's dealing with DolbyVision content on, say, Disney+ or Netflix, a lot of people, including me, have had to insert between 80 and 140 ms. of delay in the AVR's audio (in my case a Denon 4300) to compensate for how long the ATV4K takes to deal with DV.

And as you mentioned, several YEARS in, and they haven't bothered to fix their pathetic handling of actual 24 frame content. People surmise it's because they don't care, but with the large number of complaints I see, I think it's more likely they have no idea how to fix it, or else the poorly selected hardware they used to build the box can't accommodate it.

Having said that, and having owned various Roku and Amazon devices, I can say that the ATV4K is the best of a mediocre bunch of streamers when it comes to supporting high end formats like DV and Atmos. Their output from Disney+ content is really quite excellent, for example, with a ton of the content supporting both DV and Atmos properly.
Both my OPPO's. the 103D and the 203 require 80ms of delay when audio is plugged into my AVR, and video goes to tv. So audio delay is quite common when connecting a device to the AVR. Heck, I had a Sony 4K HDR player for a short time that required 230 ms of delay. That was pretty bad.
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Both my OPPO's. the 103D and the 203 require 80ms of delay when audio is plugged into my AVR, and video goes to tv. So audio delay is quite common when connecting a device to the AVR. Heck, I had a Sony 4K HDR player for a short time that required 230 ms of delay. That was pretty bad.

If you're splitting the video and audio, sync issues requiring something to be delayed is often likely. If you're lucky, delaying audio will fix it. I say 'lucky' because there is no convenient way currently to delay video or advance audio. If sound is behind picture and you don't have any audio delay already dialed in that you can remove, you're pretty much screwed.

The ATV4K here replaced an Amazon 4K stick, and the stick didn't need any audio delay when viewing DV material. But then it probably didn't do the amount of useless A/V manipulating that the ATV4K insists on doing with everything. You'd think the developers at Apple would see the video delay they were introducing while they were mangling the DV video, and put in audio delay components to compensate. But of course they didn't.
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Hi Xsmax, if possible can you please test the rabbit 3D test on your E6 and put the slides here? Means alot to me...
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Ok guys so if I have my
Player set to 24 p use real cinema on and trumition 0/7 I like what I’m seeing but what is it doing to picture ? Am I messing it all up ?


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Nope. You just prefer 24p converted to 60p. Once you turn on TM, you get 3:2 pulldown. 0,7 is the same as 0,0 all the way to 0,10. DeBlur has no effect when you convert 24p to 60p.
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So basically no need for me to use 24p output from my roku because it’s already making it
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You must have an older Roku. All the new ones only allow 60p pass through. As far as whether or not the Roku converts it better to 60p or the tv does, you have to choose which one does it better.
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You must have an older Roku. All the new ones only allow 60p pass through. As far as whether or not the Roku converts it better to 60p or the tv does, you have to choose which one does it better.

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