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We all do love OLED tech and that is why we the owner of E6 but....
Eventually HDR/DOLBY VISION will kill your OLED is the biggest flaw, that wont be an issue with QLED.
If you set brightness/oled lights high, panel will degrade faster increasing risk of burn-in. No 2018/2019/2020 panels are exception to this but with QLED we need not worry even about the peak brightness.
More FUD, thanks.

I don't see it happening.

If it does, I'll replace it with another OLED, and another, because LCD/QLED picture quality is completely unacceptable to me.
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Is this really the place to discuss Qled, looks like the thread title is 2016 LG OLED 65G6P and 65E6P Owners Thread.
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Is this really the place to discuss Qled, looks like the thread title is 2016 LG OLED 65G6P and 65E6P Owners Thread.

If your a 2016 oled owner then yes , making conversation and comparisons is fine after spending so much money on a tv


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Indeed we can talk...since E6 uses OLED..Here we are just comparing these two leading techs. Indeed QLEDS cants create those deep blacks but fine black levels. Some of the high end LED LCD TVs such as Sony Z9D that incorporates more than 800 independent Full array local deeming zones can produce amazing blacks and those torture blooming test videos we see will never really matter in real worlds as they exaggerate camera settings that most probably our eyes wont notice with normal content.
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We all do love OLED tech and that is why we the owner of E6 but....
Eventually HDR/DOLBY VISION will kill your OLED is the biggest flaw, that wont be an issue with QLED.
If you set brightness/oled lights high, panel will degrade faster increasing risk of burn-in. No 2018/2019/2020 panels are exception to this but with QLED we need not worry even about the peak brightness.
Where do you come up with this? HDR/DV only uses the peak panel brightness on specular highlights. It doesn't brighten the whole screen. In fact, many people complain that DV and HDR look darker compared to SDR. And there is no difference between DV/HDR full screen with a 100% white slide and an SDR version of that same slide. The screen maxes out around 150 nits.
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Where do you come up with this? HDR/DV only uses the peak panel brightness on specular highlights. It doesn't brighten the whole screen. In fact, many people complain that DV and HDR look darker compared to SDR. And there is no difference between DV/HDR full screen with a 100% white slide and an SDR version of that same slide. The screen maxes out around 150 nits.
By many, It is recommended to set the OLED light on 20-30 for medium to dark room if you want your panel to go longer with 50% of the brightness used.
Now when E6 triggers HDR/DV signal all the settings get locked and you can not adjust on VIVID and BRIGHT mode, setting OLED light by default on 100 with all other setting such as contrast, luminescence and gamma at high. In fact what is the point of having HDR if you manually set the setting by yourself at low making it look like SDR?
So YES! HDR brighten up the whole panel reducing the life & increasing risk of Burn-in. 2019 OLEDs might have used better pixel refresher or static logo luminescence control or even bigger Red pixel to reduce the risk if burn-in but there is no complete denial about that.

https://www.techhive.com/article/323...r-oled-tv.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...o-you-use.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/appletv/com..._your_oled_tv/

There are some OLED test by RTINGS that proves it (uploaded on Jan 2019)

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By many, It is recommended to set the OLED light on 20-30 for medium to dark room if you want your panel to go longer with 50% of the brightness used.
Now when E6 triggers HDR/DV signal all the settings get locked and you can not adjust on VIVID and BRIGHT mode, setting OLED light by default on 100 with all other setting such as contrast, luminescence and gamma at high. In fact what is the point of having HDR if you manually set the setting by yourself at low making it look like SDR?
So YES! HDR brighten up the whole panel reducing the life & increasing risk of Burn-in. 2019 OLEDs might have used better pixel refresher or static logo luminescence control or even bigger Red pixel to reduce the risk if burn-in but there is no complete denial about that.

https://www.techhive.com/article/323...r-oled-tv.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...o-you-use.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/appletv/com..._your_oled_tv/

There are some OLED test by RTINGS that proves it (uploaded on Jan 2019)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcLasaRCzY
OLED light at 100 for HDR is not the same as OLED light at 100 for SDR. OLED light at 100 is so the specular highlights will reach peak panel brightness, not overall screen brightness.

Did you actually read the article? From the techhive article

"Fortunately, during normal viewing, the peak brightness areas of HDR occur relatively infrequently, and they hardly ever cover the entire screen. For the sake of argument, let’s say peak brightness (700 nits on the Sony) is displayed five percent of the time, and more or less evenly across the entire display. That’s three minutes per hour of four-fold accelerated decay across the entire panel, or the equivalent of 12 extra minutes subtracted from the panel's lifespan.

That’s a reduction of only 20 percent, making the lifespan of a 100,000-hour TV still 80,000 hours"

Do you know how long it would take to hit 80,000 hours running the tv 8 hours a day? 27 years.

BTW, ihave my EF9500 OLED light at 100 and contrast at 85. It's in as bright room. Have run it that way for almost 5 years. No BI. If you are so paranoid about your tv, get rid of it. This constant posting that OLED is going to have all these problems is getting ridiculous.

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OLED light at 100 for HDR is not the same as OLED light at 100 for SDR. OLED light at 100 is so the specular highlights will reach peak panel brightness, not overall screen brightness.

Did you actually read the article? From the techhive article

"Fortunately, during normal viewing, the peak brightness areas of HDR occur relatively infrequently, and they hardly ever cover the entire screen. For the sake of argument, let’s say peak brightness (700 nits on the Sony) is displayed five percent of the time, and more or less evenly across the entire display. That’s three minutes per hour of four-fold accelerated decay across the entire panel, or the equivalent of 12 extra minutes subtracted from the panel's lifespan.

That’s a reduction of only 20 percent, making the lifespan of a 100,000-hour TV still 80,000 hours"

Do you know how long it would take to hit 80,000 hours running the tv 8 hours a day? 27 years.

BTW, ihave my EF9500 OLED light at 100 and contrast at 85. It's in as bright room. Have run it that way for almost 5 years. No BI. If you are so paranoid about your tv, get rid of it. This constant posting that OLED is going to have all these problems is getting ridiculous.
You are just talking for yourself. There are numerous cases of burn-in on this forum, some of them got burn in within 6 months that you know already. LG itself takes responsibility of burn-in coz they know there are chances...The brighter the display the more chances of getting severe burn-in according to RTINGS conclusion. In one of his videos vincent theo himself said that if you set OLED lights at 100 or at max, the panel will degrade faster reducing its life (Unfortunately cant find the video). There is a case, 65EF9500 panel became very dim that one cant even watch in medium to dark room.
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If you are so paranoid about your tv, get rid of it. This constant posting that OLED is going to have all these problems is getting ridiculous.
Nothing wrong with my panel. Its in great condition and I do enjoy many HDR and 3D movies than normal SDR movies but I have to babysit my TV that's the thing. I do not expose any static image more than 5 mins on the screen.

p.s: Gemini man & lucy are the two most brilliant HDR movies I have seen on my E6 till date.
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You are just talking for yourself. There are numerous cases of burn-in on this forum, some of them got burn in within 6 months that you know already. LG itself takes responsibility of burn-in coz they know there are chances...The brighter the display the more chances of getting severe burn-in according to RTINGS conclusion. In one of his videos vincent theo himself said that if you set OLED lights at 100 or at max, the panel will degrade faster reducing its life (Unfortunately cant find the video). There is a case, 65EF9500 panel became very dim that one cant even watch in medium to dark room.
Please post that video. Sure at 100 OLED light the panel will degrade quicker. Instead of taking 20 years with a lower OLED light at 10 hours a day, it will only take 10 years watching 10 hours a day. I dont know about you, but i find it hard to watch a tv 5 hours a day, much less 10 hours a day for 10 years. So in another 5 years, I doubt i will even have my 9500 or E6 as they will be so outdated that they won't be worth $50. Also you need to show where it said a 65EF9500 became so dim it couldn't be watched in a medium to dark room. My 65EF9500 hasn't degraded after almost 5 years of 100 OLED light and still quite viewable in a bright room. The tv has 10,000 hours on it. Again, you didn't even read the article you posted, I quoted it, and now you don't believe it. Here is another quote from that same article, YOU posted

"In the case of my hypothetical linear decay, maximum HDR brightness covering the entirety of a 100,000-hour-rated display would reduce the time to LT50 (operational lifetime to 50 percent brightness—the industry definition for a display’s brightness decaying by half) to a mere 25,000."

Now did you read exactly what it said? "If maximum HDR brightness covering the ENTIRETY of a 100,000 hour display." That would mean 700 nits with every pixel for 25,000 hours, then display would lose 50% of its brightness. Well guess what, that's impossible. ABL kicks in on these tv's and lowers full screen brightness to 125 nits. It is impossible for the tv to have full panel brightness of 700 nits, so therefore, even with OLED light at 100, it would not lose 50% of its brightness in 25,000 hours. The same with SDR. ABL will kick in on a very bright scene and lower the output to 125 nits. From RTINGS with the E6 review, peak brightness of 400 nits with SDR occurs with 2% thru 25% with OLED light at 100, while the overall SDR peak brightness is 232 nits with OLED light at 100. Not even close to the peak brightness of 650 nits. The same is true with HDR.

From RTINGS "The overall SDR peak brightness is average for the LG E6 OLED TV. SDR peak brightness is good until the highlight gets pass 25% of the total windows size. At this point, ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) start to dim the highlight making each of the following windows dimmer than the previous one and leaving the full screen 100% windows at almost 1/4 of the brightness of the 2% windows."

If not for ABL, panel brightness would degrade quickly with OLED light at 100. Thankfully, ABL circuitry will allow OLEDS to last a long time, even with OLED light at 100.
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Please post that video. Sure at 100 OLED light the panel will degrade quicker. Instead of taking 20 years with a lower OLED light at 10 hours a day, it will only take 10 years watching 10 hours a day. I dont know about you, but i find it hard to watch a tv 5 hours a day, much less 10 hours a day for 10 years. So in another 5 years, I doubt i will even have my 9500 or E6 as they will be so outdated that they won't be worth $50. Also you need to show where it said a 65EF9500 became so dim it couldn't be watched in a medium to dark room. My 65EF9500 hasn't degraded after almost 5 years of 100 OLED light and still quite viewable in a bright room. The tv has 10,000 hours on it. Again, you didn't even read the article you posted, I quoted it, and now you don't believe it. Here is another quote from that same article, YOU posted

"In the case of my hypothetical linear decay, maximum HDR brightness covering the entirety of a 100,000-hour-rated display would reduce the time to LT50 (operational lifetime to 50 percent brightness—the industry definition for a display’s brightness decaying by half) to a mere 25,000."

Now did you read exactly what it said? "If maximum HDR brightness covering the ENTIRETY of a 100,000 hour display." That would mean 700 nits with every pixel for 25,000 hours, then display would lose 50% of its brightness. Well guess what, that's impossible. ABL kicks in on these tv's and lowers full screen brightness to 125 nits. It is impossible for the tv to have full panel brightness of 700 nits, so therefore, even with OLED light at 100, it would not lose 50% of its brightness in 25,000 hours. The same with SDR. ABL will kick in on a very bright scene and lower the output to 125 nits. From RTINGS with the E6 review, peak brightness of 400 nits with SDR occurs with 2% thru 25% with OLED light at 100, while the overall SDR peak brightness is 232 nits with OLED light at 100. Not even close to the peak brightness of 650 nits. The same is true with HDR.

From RTINGS "The overall SDR peak brightness is average for the LG E6 OLED TV. SDR peak brightness is good until the highlight gets pass 25% of the total windows size. At this point, ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) start to dim the highlight making each of the following windows dimmer than the previous one and leaving the full screen 100% windows at almost 1/4 of the brightness of the 2% windows."

If not for ABL, panel brightness would degrade quickly with OLED light at 100. Thankfully, ABL circuitry will allow OLEDS to last a long time, even with OLED light at 100.
Keep all this technicality aside, "what would you say about those OLEDS suffering BURN-IN?" There are many cases with sever burn-in, those were under warranty, got replaced by the LG with 2017 oleds.
You seem a descent user(5hrs a day) and not hard core one(10-15hrs a day).
According to you burn-in is not an issue(ignoring rtings tests and observations) but what about others who are still suffering, spent thousands of dollars, out of warranty just 2-3 yrs of use, no replacement, have to stick with the same panel?
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You are just talking for yourself. There are numerous cases of burn-in on this forum, some of them got burn in within 6 months that you know already. LG itself takes responsibility of burn-in coz they know there are chances...The brighter the display the more chances of getting severe burn-in according to RTINGS conclusion. In one of his videos vincent theo himself said that if you set OLED lights at 100 or at max, the panel will degrade faster reducing its life (Unfortunately cant find the video). There is a case, 65EF9500 panel became very dim that one cant even watch in medium to dark room.
Yes, it can happen, but it's like staying away from a particular model of TV because some people got one dead out of the box.
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OLED light at 100 for HDR is not the same as OLED light at 100 for SDR. OLED light at 100 is so the specular highlights will reach peak panel brightness, not overall screen brightness.

Did you actually read the article? From the techhive article

"Fortunately, during normal viewing, the peak brightness areas of HDR occur relatively infrequently, and they hardly ever cover the entire screen. For the sake of argument, let’s say peak brightness (700 nits on the Sony) is displayed five percent of the time, and more or less evenly across the entire display. That’s three minutes per hour of four-fold accelerated decay across the entire panel, or the equivalent of 12 extra minutes subtracted from the panel's lifespan.

That’s a reduction of only 20 percent, making the lifespan of a 100,000-hour TV still 80,000 hours"

Do you know how long it would take to hit 80,000 hours running the tv 8 hours a day? 27 years.

BTW, ihave my EF9500 OLED light at 100 and contrast at 85. It's in as bright room. Have run it that way for almost 5 years. No BI. If you are so paranoid about your tv, get rid of it. This constant posting that OLED is going to have all these problems is getting ridiculous.

Great stuff and very true. HDR/DV dont scare me one bit. Honestly, has anyne ever even had their main TV long enough to hit 30,000 hours? I think my KURO got up to like 15,000 or so and felt like I got a lot of use out of it. It was time to upgrade, maybe even slightly past the time to upgrade! What Im getting at is that any TV tech will last long enough to carry like 99.999966% of the user base until their next TV. This longevity concern is simply not a concern for me and shouldnt be for others either.


My E6 is still cranking along.
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Keep all this technicality aside, "what would you say about those OLEDS suffering BURN-IN?" There are many cases with sever burn-in, those were under warranty, got replaced by the LG with 2017 oleds.
You seem a descent user(5hrs a day) and not hard core one(10-15hrs a day).
According to you burn-in is not an issue(ignoring rtings tests and observations) but what about others who are still suffering, spent thousands of dollars, out of warranty just 2-3 yrs of use, no replacement, have to stick with the same panel?
Burn in is not a rampant and catastrophic issue, and just like in the days of plasma, simple paying attention can all but eliminate it from happening to ones set.
If you want to watch a channel with a static logo that is one of the colors that's known to cause burn-in AND you crank the OLED light to 100 for doing it, you will be more at risk. One of the recommended ways to limit burn in potential is to have OLED light at 50% in normal usage, while this isn't possible in DV mode, most DV sources don't have static logos that are one of the most frequent causes of burn-ins.


For folks that are new, they come in and all they see is "burn in, burn in, burn in" and that's because only the people that get it complain, the hundreds of thousands of people that don't have burn in rarely comment on it. I've been here since the 2016 OLEDs were released, the number of instances of real burn in vs people worrying is quite low.


My old 55EF9500 is till with friends that use it 4-8 hours a day and they do not have burn in, I use my E6 an average of 4-6 hours a day and I have zero burn in. I also had 4 plasma sets over the years and never had any burn in and they were just as prone to it as OLEDs.


The amount of TLC an OLED needs to help it avoid burn in is minimal, but if I wanted to watch news channels all day with their logos I wouldn't use my OLED since I appreciate the tradeoff of it's picture quality to the minimal con of burn in if abused.
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Burn in is not a rampant and catastrophic issue, and just like in the days of plasma, simple paying attention can all but eliminate it from happening to ones set.

Agreed. I'm at 3.5 years and 5,000 hours on my E6, and I have zero burn-in. Zero.

The only 'caution' I exercise is to not leave the set endlessly tuned to stations that have full time crawls, like news or sports channels. The longest the set has stayed on a channel with a crawl is the 3-4 hours it takes to play a pro football game, and even there, the crawl goes away during the ton of commercials that infects major sporting events. I'd like to commend NBC for not having a crawl on their Sunday Night games.

And I don't play games on it because I don't play games.
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Only if 3D is less of the concern, just grab the offer if getting good price. Look into recently release LG CX, getting rave reviews.
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It depends upon many factors such as total usage hours, if there is any burn-in, numbers of visible vertical bandings, uniformity(vignetting) and if matters then 3D filter alignment test.
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Thanks, we are doing some redecorating and I am thinking of selling mine. It doesn't get much use.
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Since you own both 77G6(OLED) and 77Q9F(QLED) which one according to you offer better overall picture quality? please elaborate!
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Since you own both 77G6(OLED) and 77Q9F(QLED) which one according to you offer better overall picture quality? please elaborate!
I'm betting the 3D is way better on the G6!

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Hi @liltalkm
Since you own both 77G6(OLED) and 77Q9F(QLED) which one according to you offer better overall picture quality? please elaborate!
I'll take the bait!

The 77" was my main set at my old home. I thought I had reached the pinnacle of TV's. I was enthralled and loved everything about it. Still do to a certain extent. I only had plasma sets prior and I never wanted to deal with the compromises of LCD TV's. I even had Chad B calibrate it for me.

The family room in my new home has a lot light (my home in general does) and the location of the set was not desirable for a wall mount of the OLED as it cannot be mounted flush to the wall. So, I thought I would give the QLED a try and moved the OLED to a loft area. I had every expectation to not be happy with the QLED and figured it would go back to the store and I would put OLED back in its place.

I was wrong.

Overall for everyday viewing, I prefer the QLED. This is coming from someone that has 4 LG OLED's. I have a 55" 9300, 55" 9500 and 55E6P in bedrooms plus the 77" in the loft. I love them all dearly. Fantastic sets, especially in these better light controlled bedrooms.

OLED does produce a better picture, but only in the right environment and with the right content. This is my experience. I learned that OLED had its own set of compromises too. Yes the absolute black is spectacular, but how much TV was I watching to take advantage of that? I did not realize this until I tried out the QLED.

In striving to reach the holy grail of TV's, I learned that they simply do not exist. The QLED could get "close" to the OLED in those darker movies/dark scenes, but the OLED could not come close to the QLED in brightness and pop.

Yes, I deal with blooming on the QLED when off axis, but I don't watch it off axis. Yes, the blacks are not 100% black, but I really don't notice it all that much as I am never watching it in complete darkness. I have almost zero reflections in the QLED, something I still deal with on the OLED in the loft.

Considering all the trade offs, QLED was better for my situation. If only OLED could get brighter.

We are finally getting my family room redecorated this month and I have room for an 85" set. I may go with the Q950TS as it would look stunning in the room with its no gap wall mount. It is everything I like about my QLED plus some. I am in no hurry to make the switch, but I know that in a few weeks when my family room is done that I will want to complete it.

That leaves me with 2 large sets for the loft and I need to decide what to do. I have light issues in my loft also and think that my current QLED would be better served up there.

I would love to put 77' OLED in my bedroom, but know that I would need to get divorced first. It only has 4,411 hours on it.

Perhaps the QLED could go on my patio.

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Can't debate that one!

It is such a shame that LG OLED didn't exist when 3D launched. I really think 3D would have gained more traction if it did. It is such a jaw dropping experience with its passive glasses and crystal clear portrayal.

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I'll take the bait!

The 77" was my main set at my old home. I thought I had reached the pinnacle of TV's. I was enthralled and loved everything about it. Still do to a certain extent. I only had plasma sets prior and I never wanted to deal with the compromises of LCD TV's. I even had Chad B calibrate it for me.

The family room in my new home has a lot light (my home in general does) and the location of the set was not desirable for a wall mount of the OLED as it cannot be mounted flush to the wall. So, I thought I would give the QLED a try and moved the OLED to a loft area. I had every expectation to not be happy with the QLED and figured it would go back to the store and I would put OLED back in its place.

I was wrong.

Overall for everyday viewing, I prefer the QLED. This is coming from someone that has 4 LG OLED's. I have a 55" 9300, 55" 9500 and 55E6P in bedrooms plus the 77" in the loft. I love them all dearly. Fantastic sets, especially in these better light controlled bedrooms.

OLED does produce a better picture, but only in the right environment and with the right content. This is my experience. I learned that OLED had its own set of compromises too. Yes the absolute black is spectacular, but how much TV was I watching to take advantage of that? I did not realize this until I tried out the QLED.

In striving to reach the holy grail of TV's, I learned that they simply do not exist. The QLED could get "close" to the OLED in those darker movies/dark scenes, but the OLED could not come close to the QLED in brightness and pop.

Yes, I deal with blooming on the QLED when off axis, but I don't watch it off axis. Yes, the blacks are not 100% black, but I really don't notice it all that much as I am never watching it in complete darkness. I have almost zero reflections in the QLED, something I still deal with on the OLED in the loft.

Considering all the trade offs, QLED was better for my situation. If only OLED could get brighter.

We are finally getting my family room redecorated this month and I have room for an 85" set. I may go with the Q950TS as it would look stunning in the room with its no gap wall mount. It is everything I like about my QLED plus some. I am in no hurry to make the switch, but I know that in a few weeks when my family room is done that I will want to complete it.

That leaves me with 2 large sets for the loft and I need to decide what to do. I have light issues in my loft also and think that my current QLED would be better served up there.

I would love to put 77' OLED in my bedroom, but know that I would need to get divorced first. It only has 4,411 hours on it.

Perhaps the QLED could go on my patio.



Can't debate that one!

It is such a shame that LG OLED didn't exist when 3D launched. I really think 3D would have gained more traction if it did. It is such a jaw dropping experience with its passive glasses and crystal clear portrayal.
Ok so from the sounds of it, QLED has less reflection and better viewing in bright room. Can you comment on colors ? I wonder what your thoughts would have been with a newer OLED.. I would assume same. How about motion?
Thanks for the post, it was helpful.
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Ok so from the sounds of it, QLED has less reflection and better viewing in bright room. Can you comment on colors ? I wonder what your thoughts would have been with a newer OLED.. I would assume same. How about motion?
Thanks for the post, it was helpful.



You said it in fewer words. I cannot comment on newer OLED's, I do wonder the same.



Color volume on QLED is probably the biggest difference. Colors remain vibrant at all intensities. No ABL.



Motion is similar as both sets have their issues.


Please understand that I love my OLED's and I enjoy them very much. But for my main set, in my environment, QLED worked out better for me.

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Agreed. I'm at 3.5 years and 5,000 hours on my E6, and I have zero burn-in. Zero.

The only 'caution' I exercise is to not leave the set endlessly tuned to stations that have full time crawls, like news or sports channels. The longest the set has stayed on a channel with a crawl is the 3-4 hours it takes to play a pro football game, and even there, the crawl goes away during the ton of commercials that infects major sporting events. I'd like to commend NBC for not having a crawl on their Sunday Night games.

And I don't play games on it because I don't play games.
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I'll take the bait!

The 77" was my main set at my old home. I thought I had reached the pinnacle of TV's. I was enthralled and loved everything about it. Still do to a certain extent. I only had plasma sets prior and I never wanted to deal with the compromises of LCD TV's. I even had Chad B calibrate it for me.

The family room in my new home has a lot light (my home in general does) and the location of the set was not desirable for a wall mount of the OLED as it cannot be mounted flush to the wall. So, I thought I would give the QLED a try and moved the OLED to a loft area. I had every expectation to not be happy with the QLED and figured it would go back to the store and I would put OLED back in its place.

I was wrong.

Overall for everyday viewing, I prefer the QLED. This is coming from someone that has 4 LG OLED's. I have a 55" 9300, 55" 9500 and 55E6P in bedrooms plus the 77" in the loft. I love them all dearly. Fantastic sets, especially in these better light controlled bedrooms.

OLED does produce a better picture, but only in the right environment and with the right content. This is my experience. I learned that OLED had its own set of compromises too. Yes the absolute black is spectacular, but how much TV was I watching to take advantage of that? I did not realize this until I tried out the QLED.

In striving to reach the holy grail of TV's, I learned that they simply do not exist. The QLED could get "close" to the OLED in those darker movies/dark scenes, but the OLED could not come close to the QLED in brightness and pop.

Yes, I deal with blooming on the QLED when off axis, but I don't watch it off axis. Yes, the blacks are not 100% black, but I really don't notice it all that much as I am never watching it in complete darkness. I have almost zero reflections in the QLED, something I still deal with on the OLED in the loft.

Considering all the trade offs, QLED was better for my situation. If only OLED could get brighter.

We are finally getting my family room redecorated this month and I have room for an 85" set. I may go with the Q950TS as it would look stunning in the room with its no gap wall mount. It is everything I like about my QLED plus some. I am in no hurry to make the switch, but I know that in a few weeks when my family room is done that I will want to complete it.

That leaves me with 2 large sets for the loft and I need to decide what to do. I have light issues in my loft also and think that my current QLED would be better served up there.

I would love to put 77' OLED in my bedroom, but know that I would need to get divorced first. It only has 4,411 hours on it.

Perhaps the QLED could go on my patio.



Can't debate that one!

It is such a shame that LG OLED didn't exist when 3D launched. I really think 3D would have gained more traction if it did. It is such a jaw dropping experience with its passive glasses and crystal clear portrayal.
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Thanks for the post, it was helpful.
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You said it in fewer words. I cannot comment on newer OLED's, I do wonder the same.



Color volume on QLED is probably the biggest difference. Colors remain vibrant at all intensities. No ABL.



Motion is similar as both sets have their issues.


Please understand that I love my OLED's and I enjoy them very much. But for my main set, in my environment, QLED worked out better for me.
QLED plus points.
1.Deeper colors.
2.Blacks that are close to OLED
3.Incredible Brightness
4.Anti-reflection coating.

Thanks for sharing your experience. It will help many to make a better choice.
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QLED plus points.
1.Deeper colors.
2.Blacks that are close to OLED
3.Incredible Brightness
4.Anti-reflection coating.

Thanks for sharing your experience. It will help many to make a better choice.

But I think I’m a darker room blooming and off axis viewing (for me at least ) would
Drive me nuts . Just imagine seeing white spots in black bars and subtitles


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QLED plus points.
1.Deeper colors.
2.Blacks that are close to OLED
3.Incredible Brightness
4.Anti-reflection coating.

Thanks for sharing your experience. It will help many to make a better choice.

Finally saw a cx at Costco today my
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