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2016 Dolby Vision Showdown: LG vs Vizio

If you're in the market for a new display in 2016 and want Dolby Vision, there are only two options; LG or Vizio. All of the 2016 LG OLEDs and Super UHD LCDs are Dolby Vision and HDR10 capable. For Vizio, the Reference display and their P-Series will play Dolby Vision but not HDR10 yet. Vizio promises a firmware update will enable their sets to display HDR10 in the near future.

Here is a list of what both manufacturers can display in UHD, Dolby Vision, and HDR10:

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Netflix - 4K and Dolby Vision available from app (currently, only Marco Polo has DV)
Vudu - HDX only from app. UHD and Dolby Vision have not been enabled for LG yet.
Amazon - 4K and HDR10 available from app, Dolby Vision content coming soon.
Disc - UHD, Dolby Vision, and HDR10 playback ready. The Samsung UBD-K8500 is the only readily available player of UHD discs at the moment and does not play Dolby Vision content. No Dolby Vision graded content exists on disc yet.

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Netflix - 4K and Dolby Vision available from casting app
Vudu - UHD and Dolby Vision available from casting app
Amazon - No casting app currently available since it uses the Google platform
Disc - UHD and Dolby Vision ready. HDR10 has not been enabled yet

Roku 4, Amazon Fire, and Nvidia Shield media players can output 4K, but don't support Dolby Vision or HDR10 at this time. There are some lesser known brands like the HiMedia Q10 Pro that are supposed to support Dolby Vision and HDR10, but it is unknown as to what Apps they might be able to stream.
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You forgot OLED's superior viewing angles. Let's face it, FALD LCD has to perform a lot of tricks to even get close to OLED picture quality. Size and price are its biggest advantages. Along with a slightly better Dolby Vision experience using brighter HDR.
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Most people aren't cross shopping a Vizio P series with a OLED.
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Along with a slightly better Dolby Vision experience using brighter HDR.
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Most people aren't cross shopping a Vizio P series with a OLED.
I would have agreed with you three weeks ago, but after the Vizio dropped unexpectedly, there is certainly interest from those in the market for a new TV. I've read several posts from people waiting on the new LGs but being swayed to the Vizio camp. Yes OLED is better in many/most arguments. But is it $6,000 better? $4000?

I see the Vizio as a stop gap, not an OLED killer. OLED pricing is really high if you want the larger screens. Enthusiasts can enjoy Dolby Vision for a few years in hopes the OLEDs come down in price and maybe iron out some of their issues.
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I'll take my $1399 55" 1080p EG9100 over the 55" 4K Vizio P series with HDR any day of the week.

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I'll take my $1399 55" 1080p EG9100 over the 55" 4K Vizio P series with HDR any day of the week.
I completely agree with your sentiment. The choice gets a little harder, however, if you are in the market for 75"+ sets and the price differential is $3.7k versus $25k.
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I'm one of those people, I plan to purchase a TV when I get back to my Michigan home in June. I was planning on the C6 but now that the P series has come out I can't justify throwing 3 to 4k out the Window for a marginal improvement. In fact I could buy the P65 now and wait a year and then get the C6 during model changeover for probably less than buying the C6 when they first come out.
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I completely agree with your sentiment. The choice gets a little harder, however, if you are in the market for 75"+ sets and the price differential is $3.7k versus $25k.
Wholeheartedly agree, but we were posed options. And for my 55" option, i'll take the EG9100 which can be had for $1299 on the weekends.
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plasma.

i have a 65" d7000 plasma and am wondering how the p series would compare to plasma specifically.
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i have a 65" d7000 plasma and am wondering how the p series would compare to plasma specifically.
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I completely agree with your sentiment. The choice gets a little harder, however, if you are in the market for 75"+ sets and the price differential is $3.7k versus $25k.
Well, until you factor in the cost of the new room addition to fit a 75" set
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I'm one of those people, I plan to purchase a TV when I get back to my Michigan home in June. I was planning on the C6 but now that the P series has come out I can't justify throwing 3 to 4k out the Window for a marginal improvement. In fact I could buy the P65 now and wait a year and then get the C6 during model changeover for probably less than buying the C6 when they first come out.
Lettuce be cereal, how did you come to that conclusion?
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Based on the reviews of both tvs. The latest review on the G6 shows that it is not very strong when comes to the nits levels needed for hdr which is where the P series excels and to me is a very important factor for why I want to upgrade.
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Based on the reviews of both tvs. The latest review on the G6 shows that it is not very strong when comes to the nits levels needed for hdr which is where the P series excels and to me is a very important factor for why I want to upgrade.
You're kidding, right?
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Based on the reviews of both tvs. The latest review on the G6 shows that it is not very strong when comes to the nits levels needed for hdr which is where the P series excels and to me is a very important factor for why I want to upgrade.
I don't see any official reviews for the Vizio, just some early impressions and owner reviews/opinions. It's too early to come to that conclusion.
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I've only seen one pro review for the LG that used any sort of measuring equipment, and nothing for Vizio yet. There are a couple new LG reviews today, but they just spout specs and aren't very critical.
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Here's a in depth review of the G6 it's rated a 10.0 which is the highest ..

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
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I was all set to get the 65 inch EF9500 when the prices dropped below $3500. That happened to be the same week of the P series drop. I've been following them both very closely and have decided to go with the Vizio. My current debate is 65 vs. 75 inch, but 65 really does seem like the pricing sweet spot. I've been very impressed with what I've heard about DolbyVision so far and the blacks look incredible for an LED. Obviously I don't care about a built in tuner, the only major drawback for me is the lack of built in Amazon, but that will be rectified soon enough with an HDR10, Dolbyvision capable player.
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I wouldn't say 'It's a Vizio' is a con, in the end the panel is all that matters. This Black Friday will be interesting as there will be a bunch of 4K tv's fighting it out. OLED is going to be well out of budget if you want a really big tv.
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It's a con because a lot of enthusiasts look down on the brand. They have come a long way in recent years, but being a Walmart budget brand didn't help with their perception in the HT market.

I updated the first post including links to the reviews of the 65G6. Motion is my biggest issue with OLEDs and it seems most reviewers are focusing on nits, black levels, color space, etc. If there are flicker trails with 24hz film based video, I won't be buying.

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Based on the reviews of both tvs. The latest review on the G6 shows that it is not very strong when comes to the nits levels needed for hdr which is where the P series excels and to me is a very important factor for why I want to upgrade.
You're kidding, right?
No I'm not, are you kidding? Spending 8k on the G6 when you can buy a P65 for 1,800 with discount. The G6 I'm sure is the best TV available but I find it ridiculous to pay that kind of money for a 65 in tv. I've been on this board for a over a year now dreaming about a new oled in my home. But with P65 I can't rationally justify paying that much more for a TV that is small overall improvement in viewing experience. I know the P65 is not perfect but I do think it is a game changer. The whole industry will have to aggressively alter prices to be in competition with the Vizio P series.
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You're kidding, right?
Well to be honest, this exact point was brought up in a recent review of the G6 which gave the author pause for concern. He goes on to mention the G6 HDR playback wasnt nearly as vivid as on other TVs he has seen which is a bit concerning.

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You're kidding, right?
Well to be honest, this exact point was brought up in a recent review of the G6 which gave the author pause for concern. He goes on to mention the G6 HDR playback wasnt nearly as vivid as on other TVs he has seen which is a bit concerning.

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review
Yes, this is the review i was referencing.
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Are they using cell phone photos in that Reviewed.com review? Except that last pic of Marco Polo, the pics they used for the review are pretty crappy.

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No I'm not, are you kidding? Spending 8k on the G6 when you can buy a P65 for 1,800 with discount. The G6 I'm sure is the best TV available but I find it ridiculous to pay that kind of money for a 65 in tv. I've been on this board for a over a year now dreaming about a new oled in my home. But with P65 I can't rationally justify paying that much more for a TV that is small overall improvement in viewing experience. I know the P65 is not perfect but I do think it is a game changer. The whole industry will have to aggressively alter prices to be in competition with the Vizio P series.
I said nothing about price. You were talking about the hdr and I commented on that. I saw nothing in that review that mentions the P series in comparison to the G6. It mentions the R series. The DV on the G is the way it was meant to look. It is way plenty bright enough and way within spec. When the reviewer says dynamic, that says to me and most people, bright, oversauturated, and blown out. Your brighter tv is brighter......that is all. It will always look wrong(non reference) because it cannot illuminate each pixel. That is just the way it is. Im sure the Vizio is a nice television. Go buy it. You dont need anyones approval here.

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No I'm not, are you kidding? Spending 8k on the G6 when you can buy a P65 for 1,800 with discount. The G6 I'm sure is the best TV available but I find it ridiculous to pay that kind of money for a 65 in tv. I've been on this board for a over a year now dreaming about a new oled in my home. But with P65 I can't rationally justify paying that much more for a TV that is small overall improvement in viewing experience. I know the P65 is not perfect but I do think it is a game changer. The whole industry will have to aggressively alter prices to be in competition with the Vizio P series.
I'm in the same boat as you. As much as I'd love an OLED set I don't know if it's in the cards for me right now. For starters I have a 60" Pioneer Elite KURO that has served me well for the past 6 or so years, but like a lot of people here I'm itching to upgrade to a bigger screen with 4K, HDR and possibly Dolby Vision. Going with an OLED will only give me a 5" increase in screen size(as I'm not Jay-Z and can't just drop $25k on the 77" model) and while 65 is obviously better than 60" it's not the major increase I've been hoping for. Besides, if I was going to go with a 65" screen I don't know if I could justify the OLED's price tag when the Vizio P65 and Samsung JS9500 can both be had for several thousand dollars less. Ideally I'd like to be able to buy a 75+" OLED for around $6-7k, but we all know that isn't going to happen anytime soon. The only thing I know for sure is that if I don't go with an OLED I have to find an LCD that is Full Array which basically limits me to the following choices:

-- Sony 75" XBR940D - If it performs like the 940C it might be the best non-OLED set available to buy this year, but some people have expressed concerns about the move to a thinner chassis having an effect on the backlight. Hopefully reviews will be out soon so I can know for sure if it lives up to the performance of it's predecessor or if it falls short.

-- Samsung JS9500 78" or 65" - I don't know much about these TVs other than the fact that they have curved screens which I'm not a big fan of personally, but they're FALD and apparently they have a pretty good picture. Anyone here ever compared them to OLED?

-- Vizio P75 or P65 - Never thought I'd even consider buying a Vizio, but a FALD TV with Dolby Vision for prices of around $4k and $2k respectively have definitely gotten my attention. There are some concerns I've been reading about in the owner's thread like yellow banding, dirty screen effect and the fact that some people who have seen these in Best Buy stores next to higher end TVs said the PQ on them is inferior. I'm not sold on Vizio yet, but at the same time I'm not ruling them out.

-- Sharp 70" N9100U - This is the wild card. On paper it sounds great, a 70" FALD set for under $3k, but several people have said that with Hisense taking over Sharp it will be a poor quality product. I've never been a big sharp fan(the 70" Elite was the only good TV they have ever made as far as I'm concerned) so I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice if this ended up being an alternative to the Sony, Samsung and Vizio offerings.

Anyone else here trying to choose from the same field and if so, which way are you leaning?
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I am in the exact same boat. I suspect the 940D is the best non-OLED TV of the lot, but no Dolby Vision. The Samsung options will be curved and more expensive than the Sony. So if you want a flat, 75"+ TV you can afford, with Dolby Vision, that leaves Vizio. Or wait another year or three.
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The boat is filling fast. I've looked at all the mentioned sets, even the Sony 940C since it's pretty cheap right now. But it seems Dolby Vision could become the more popular form of HDR since it actually has standards, so I'm ruling out all sets that don't have it. I go back and forth. Until I can spend some time with both in person though, it's a toss up. I'm hoping the motion on the new LGs don't bother me so I can give OLED a try. But at the same time, I kinda hope the Vizio wows me so I can save a couple thousand clams and gain 15" of screen.

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I know it's not important to many here but the LG OLED has 3D for most of its sets. Vizio has no 3D for any of its TVs. This is a big deal for me so Vizio is off the list. Interestingly the first review noted in the OP's list of reviews of the LG mentions just how good 3D is on the G6 -- in fact he said 1080p 3D on the LG was comparable to 4K 2D with HDR on the same set -- that's a pretty big endorsement.
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