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venus933 05-17-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YesManQ8 (Post 44101642)
Does the 2016 models still have the judder problem? Also is "five hundred and something" nits enough? It concerns me because it's already low compared to LED and a percentage of it is going to be lost in few years anyways. Meaning I won't be able to compensate the lost nits by increasing brightness level settings because I'm already watching at full brightness.

Not nearly bright enough, best to go with the much better LCD backlight display technology. You also have the side benefit of not needing to go outside for a suntan.

Nitemare3219 05-17-2016 10:34 PM

So comments on the photos... there is a light directly behind me on the 100% white slide, so there is a slight cast of yellow on the screen. Rest assured the white is pure white with no lack of uniformity that I can easily see. This picture is at 100 OLED light.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7645/2...88fd7beb_h.jpg

The first 5% slide is at 100 OLED light. The second is at 0 OLED light. The camera shutter and ISO were compensated to produce photos that aided in visibility of the panel. The banding you see is there, but it is VERY hard to see. The camera exacerbates the issue. Also, in normal content, especially moving content, you would never have the potential for this to even become visible.

The center of the screen is a HAIR darker than the edges - funny how that works after last year. Again, something I didn't even notice until I looked at the photo and then looked really hard at the panel itself to notice it.

I have not run any manual compensation cycles, and the set only has 66 hours.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7579/2...b610cc16_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7321/2...a52925c2_h.jpg

The back of the TV panel is a brushed stainless gray look. Really pleasing to the eye (except you'll never see it back there LOL). The plastic housing is a flat gray.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7442/2...71579ad4_h.jpg

The side and top black bezels are bigger than last year, primarily the top, but nothing extreme. As you can (maybe) see the IR wart at the bottom with the LG logo is a lot smaller.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7733/2...d2204ab9_h.jpg

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Originally Posted by ChaosCloud (Post 44097554)
Not sure if it's the same issue you are describing, but I've read many reports of bright/white flashes with the 2016 sets, both here and on AVF. See this post

Also, I was curious if you had tried feeding the TV a 1920x1080 signal from your video card, if you could get a higher refresh rate than 60 Hz.

It's definitely not a white flash of any sort. It's a flicker of incorrect color across the entire panel. My desktop still clearly looks like my desktop when it happens.

TV will not do 120 Hz input at 1080p.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YesManQ8 (Post 44101642)
Does the 2016 models still have the judder problem? Also is "five hundred and something" nits enough? It concerns me because it's already low compared to LED and a percentage of it is going to be lost in few years anyways. Meaning I won't be able to compensate the lost nits by increasing brightness level settings because I'm already watching at full brightness.

I thought the EF9500 didn't have the judder issue. I don't think I ever noticed it either way, and I don't have any issues on my C6 now. I think the TV is plenty bright. Believe me, contrast makes up for whatever you think you'll enjoy in retina searing brightness from newer LED TVs. There is nothing like an OLED.

pbakp 05-18-2016 02:56 AM

I just got confirmation from Nordic Partner Director at LG, that B/E/G basically has the same screen.
Difference is that E/G has:

3D support,
More powerfull processor (probably due to 3D support.)
Soundbar
2 Premium remotes
Premium designs

So as he says - You won't be able to notice differnece in picture quality, when viewing 2D on either.

Gillietalls 05-18-2016 05:42 AM

Pics
 
@Nitemare3219. May we please have some pictures of some content (either blu ray or cable). Forget some slides....

greenland 05-18-2016 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbakp (Post 44106794)
I just got confirmation from Nordic Partner Director at LG, that B/E/G basically has the same screen.
Difference is that E/G has:

3D support,
More powerfull processor (probably due to 3D support.)
Soundbar
2 Premium remotes
Premium designs

So as he says - You won't be able to notice differnece in picture quality, when viewing 2D on either.

Does the C model also have the more powerful processor, since it also has the 3D feature?

pbakp 05-18-2016 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by greenland (Post 44108738)
Does the C model also have the more powerful processor, since it also has the 3D feature?

It stands to reason, that it does

RickD_99 05-18-2016 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44068722)
Previously a 55EG9600 owner and now a proud 55C6P owner. Huge upgrade over last year. Definitely happy with this purchase.

Can you comment on the 3D performance of your C6? Was wondering if there are any crosstalk/distortion issues when viewing 3D on the C6 as compared to the EG9600 you had before....

zubinh 05-18-2016 08:57 AM

Best Buy is showing the 65" C6 and the 65" E6 for the same price ($5999). I would've thought the C6 would be lower

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 09:30 AM

That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price. I am hoping $4,500 is the new standard for the entry level 65in. OLED's. Samsung is offering a $1,500 rebate on it's KS9000 in the 65in. size at $3,000 and LED HDR displays are a lot cheaper than last year.

When the 65EF9500 launched it had a MSRP of $7,000 and LG quickly offered a $2,000 rebate bringing the price to $5,000 within a month of appearing.

pbakp 05-18-2016 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zubinh (Post 44113538)
Best Buy is showing the 65" C6 and the 65" E6 for the same price ($5999). I would've thought the C6 would be lower

Seems like a mistake. The C6 is around $3500 here.. The Pricing seems right for the E6

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pbakp (Post 44115130)
Seems like a mistake. The C6 is around $3500 here.. The Pricing seems right for the E6

$3,500 where?

zubinh 05-18-2016 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44114482)
That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price. I am hoping $4,500 is the new standard for the entry level 65in. OLED's. Samsung is offering a $1,500 rebate on it's KS9000 in the 65in. size at $3,000 and LED HDR displays are a lot cheaper than last year.

When the 65EF9500 launched it had a MSRP of $7,000 and LG quickly offered a $2,000 rebate bringing the price to $5,000 within a month of appearing.

$1500 rebate on the KS9000? Man, that is a nice incentive. If the viewing angle wasn't so bad I would forget about getting a B6

sytech 05-18-2016 10:12 AM

Except for the banding it looks pretty good. Do they show up in any content like panning across a soccer or football field?

drewTT 05-18-2016 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44105578)
So comments on the photos... there is a light directly behind me on the 100% white slide, so there is a slight cast of yellow on the screen. Rest assured the white is pure white with no lack of uniformity that I can easily see. This picture is at 100 OLED light.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7645/2...88fd7beb_h.jpg

The first 5% slide is at 100 OLED light. The second is at 0 OLED light. The camera shutter and ISO were compensated to produce photos that aided in visibility of the panel. The banding you see is there, but it is VERY hard to see. The camera exacerbates the issue. Also, in normal content, especially moving content, you would never have the potential for this to even become visible.

The center of the screen is a HAIR darker than the edges - funny how that works after last year. Again, something I didn't even notice until I looked at the photo and then looked really hard at the panel itself to notice it.

I have not run any manual compensation cycles, and the set only has 66 hours.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7579/2...b610cc16_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7321/2...a52925c2_h.jpg

The back of the TV panel is a brushed stainless gray look. Really pleasing to the eye (except you'll never see it back there LOL). The plastic housing is a flat gray.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7442/2...71579ad4_h.jpg

The side and top black bezels are bigger than last year, primarily the top, but nothing extreme. As you can (maybe) see the IR wart at the bottom with the LG logo is a lot smaller.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7733/2...d2204ab9_h.jpg



It's definitely not a white flash of any sort. It's a flicker of incorrect color across the entire panel. My desktop still clearly looks like my desktop when it happens.

TV will not do 120 Hz input at 1080p.



I thought the EF9500 didn't have the judder issue. I don't think I ever noticed it either way, and I don't have any issues on my C6 now. I think the TV is plenty bright. Believe me, contrast makes up for whatever you think you'll enjoy in retina searing brightness from newer LED TVs. There is nothing like an OLED.

That is one hell of a computer monitor. Love it.

Is it me or do the sides of the web browser do not look straight?

pbakp 05-18-2016 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44115738)
$3,500 where?

Denmark :)

Nitemare3219 05-18-2016 11:13 AM

Guys like I said the banding has been a complete non-issue. I have never once noticed it until I just took these photos for you. And again, the camera makes it look worse than it really is. A 5% still slide is not representative of real content at all. As I said I rarely watch cable TV, and in fact only have a digital converter box for basic cable hooked up to it. I do have some Bluray content I could take photos of I suppose. I remember Skyfall and Zero Dark Thirty particularly gave me issues in some night scenes on the EG9600. If I get time I'll check those out.

I never used 3D on my EG9600 and I have yet to use it on my C6. Can someone tell me how I could test it out? I have no 3D content that I know of but could download to my PC/load up a flash drive if there is something available.

I think the browser edge distortion is a combination of the camera lens and the curve of the TV. Looks perfectly fine in real life lol.

This TV has only reinforced the fact that I will never use an LCD TV in their current technology state ever again. Even if you gave me one of the new Samsung TV's for free, I would sell it for an OLED. There is just no comparison.

video_analysis 05-18-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewTT (Post 44115826)
That is one hell of a computer monitor. Love it.

Is it me or do the sides of the web browser do not look straight?

Please don't quote the entire post with 4 huge images. It makes scrolling a drag especially for those on mobile devices.

x43x 05-18-2016 01:21 PM

VE is getting some 55B6's in for Memorial Day weekend. Just a heads up....

drewTT 05-18-2016 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44119154)
Please don't quote the entire post with 4 huge images. It makes scrolling a drag especially for those on mobile devices.

Are you the posting police?

video_analysis 05-18-2016 01:58 PM

Well, I did use "please" and most police officers don't, so...

Posters practicing posting etiquette goes a long way in making this place more readable.

slowcarboost 05-18-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x43x (Post 44121762)
VE is getting some 55B6's in for Memorial Day weekend. Just a heads up....



Was it specifically only 55? No 65?

gypsymoth 05-18-2016 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wales (Post 44100522)
Has anyone thought about splitting the C6 and B6 into separate threads? This being the C6 thread (we have one owner!) if retired or moved. If so, the next few days or so before the first B6s ship would be the time to do it. Curved vs. flat and 3D vs. no 3D will likely create discussion unique to each and seem like big enough differences to justify it. Also, the B6 is likely to be far and away the biggest seller and may need a thread unto its own.

Just throwing it out there.

This forum is a mess - a jumble of threads with no organisation. Christ knows who's moderating

Separate threads per TV - how hard can it be?

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 03:40 PM

Very technical question here. Does anyone know the curvature of the 65in. OLED displays being the 9600 or C series. LG uses 4600r and 5000r. Samsung uses 4200r or an ideal viewing distance of 4.2 meters being the centered position if the tv's made a circle. The curve on the LG is gentler. I know on the 55in oled it is 5000r, but LG uses the varying sizes based on display size.

krazyscotsman 05-18-2016 03:40 PM

Anyone have thoughts on prices for the 65" B? I'm looking at replacing my Kuro. It's starting to have some issues with needing unplugged to reset. I've already had it repaired sometime back. I doubt parts are even available now. I'm looking at the 65" B but I really need it to come in somewhere around $4K. Otherwise, I guess I'll look at a LCD. Life circumstances have capped my budget some. And TBH I have a 120" screen for serious moving watching.

Thanks.

venus933 05-18-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44125602)
Anyone have thoughts on prices for the 65" B? I'm looking at replacing my Kuro. It's starting to have some issues with needing unplugged to reset. I've already had it repaired sometime back. I doubt parts are even available now. I'm looking at the 65" B but I really need it to come in somewhere around $4K. Otherwise, I guess I'll look at a LCD. Life circumstances have capped my budget some. And TBH I have a 120" screen for serious moving watching.

Thanks.

Out of the gate most retailers will have it in the $5K ballpark. IMO it's a matter of when and not if the 65B6 can be had for $4K or less. I'm willing to wait till this fall to see if it it can be had for less than $4K.

Also, LG had some ambitious sales targets for this year and recently stated they still intend to meet those sales targets - I don't see those number being made up by last year's models alone so the B6 models may be priced to move. Sorry for not being more specific on the projected sales numbers but I'm too lazy to look them up. But these are my thoughts perhaps aided by what I want to happen.

More thoughts: Seeing that you'll be coming from a plasma I suspect you wouldn't be happy with a LCD if at all unless if it has a FALD scheme. The Sony 940D only comes in a 75" screen size and certainly will cost more than $4k for the foreseeable future. I doubt the Samsung 65KS9800 will have a street price much cheaper that the 65B6. That leaves the Vizio M and P series models which may be a consideration. Katzmaier at cnet is high on the P series in his review of it last week.

And lastly there's last year's model, the EF9500, which was on sale for $3K on eBay. I'm still not clear if the latest builds have less panel issues.

krazyscotsman 05-18-2016 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus933 (Post 44125994)
Out of the gate most retailers will have it in the $5K ballpark. IMO it's a matter of when and not if the 65B6 can be had for $4K or less. I'm willing to wait till this fall to see if it it can be had for less than $4K.

Also, LG had some ambiguous sales targets for this year and recently stated they still intend to meet those sales targets - I don't see those number being made up by last year's models alone so the B6 models may be priced to move. Sorry for not being more specific on the projected sales numbers but I'm too lazy to look them up. But these are my thoughts perhaps aided by what I want to happen.

Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

wse 05-18-2016 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44126362)
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

Wait out for OLED a couple of more years

venus933 05-18-2016 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44126362)
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

I agree the P series is very tempting but since you'll be using this display mainly for 720p/1080i broadcasts than it may not be the best choice since they don't seem to upscale those sources very well.

It should be noted the 65EF9500 was on sale for $3K on eBay last weekend. If you can get one without serious near black uniformity issues you may want to consider this scenario. The best scenario may be to wail til this Fall and see where the pricing of the B6 stands. But doing this shuts you out of a EF9500 scenario since it's probable they'll no longer be available at that time.

I think actual EF9500 owners might be more helpful with your decision. What I gleaned from those who have upgraded to the 2016 OLED models is that they are much improved over the EF9500 and for my uses worth waiting for the 65B6. But for mostly broadcasts the difference might not be worth it for you. Good luck!

x43x 05-18-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowcarboost (Post 44124866)
Was it specifically only 55? No 65?

From Blu-Ray.com:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn (Post 12228715)
I was a just notified that we're getting a small allocation of 55" B6s for Memorial Day week. Nice way to celebrate our most thankful and proud American holiday with this highly anticipated 2016 4K OLED display. Glad I'll have the extended holiday weekend to get plenty of viewing hours on what will likely be one of the best high-end TVs for this year.

This does not change the planned Nationwide launch of the last week in June, it's just a early launch special bonus for the few lucky LG's selected "early launch partner dealers".

-Robert


Cleveland Plasma 05-18-2016 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44114482)
That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price.

That is a spot on statement unless they raise the price of the E6P.


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