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In EU E6, the default is 100.
I see. Here in Norway oled light is at 50 on DV.

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Should you use oled light at 100 on DV?Default it is 50.

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Restore OLED/Contrast to 100, brightness @ 50, Warm 2, All enhancements off.

When you increase Brightness in HDR mode, it's undersaturating the saturations (removes color) of low luminance colors (dark shades of colors).
I noticed that brightness in HDR and DV quickly raises black levels even by just 1 click.
But why Oled Light and particularly contrast at 100?
First of all Oled Light in DV is set at 50 by default and it makes very little difference when we raise it any higher.
Contrast in DV seems to clip colors at over 96...if course 96 to 100 is not big deal, but 96 seems to fine tune things.

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I see. Here in Norway oled light is at 50 on DV.
50 also in the U.S.

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I noticed that brightness in HDR and DV quickly raises black levels even by just 1 click.
But why Oled Light and particularly contrast at 100?
First of all Oled Light in DV is set at 50 by default and it makes very little difference when we raise it any higher.
Contrast in DV seems to clip colors at over 96...if course 96 to 100 is not big deal, but 96 seems to fine tune things.

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I don't have E6 in front of me to re-check if the default settings @ DV mode are 100/100, I will reply when I will double check it. It's 100/100 for HDR10 mode for sure.

If you keep the Contrast/OLED @ 100, and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about 1.6dE2000 and the errors are coming from gamma (brigher) at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 670nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~2.0dE2000 average.

If you keep the Contrast @ 100 and reduce OLED about 80? (I don't remember the exact value...to get 540nits) and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about ~1.0dE2000 (or lower)and the errors of gamma are reduced at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 540nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~4.0dE2000 average.

So using LG instructions for HDR calibration (which say to reduce OLED light until you reach 540nits), you have more color errors and lower peak output.
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I don't have E6 in front of me to re-check if the default settings @ DV mode are 100/100, I will reply when I will double check it. It's 100/100 for HDR10 mode for sure.

If you keep the Contrast/OLED @ 100, and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about 1.6dE2000 and the errors are coming from gamma (brigher) at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 670nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~2.0dE2000 average.

If you keep the Contrast @ 100 and reduce OLED about 80? (I don't remember the exact value...to get 540nits) and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about ~1.0dE2000 (or lower)and the errors of gamma are reduced at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 540nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~4.0dE2000 average.

So using LG instructions for HDR calibration (which say to reduce OLED light until you reach 540nits), you have more color errors and lower peak output.
On HDR it's 100/100 here in Norway too. Do you recommend oled light at 80 on HDR? I don't have any way of calibrating HDR so for me it's just eyeballing it.

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Hi all, after using/setting Contrast Patterns you should check also Color Clipping Patterns, there a lot available in the Color Reproduction Session of the disk.

Using a contrast pattern, you are checking this area, in RGB Space:



Using the 7-Color Clipping Bars Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (WRGBCMY), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some additionally clicks from the contrast control also, you are checking these areas, in RGB Space:

When I am using the 7-Color Clipping Bars I need contrast at 84, because when contrast is at 85 it clips cyan magenta and yellow at 254, when lowering contrast to 84 then it don't clip at 254 no more.is this the correct way of doing it?

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When I am using the 7-Color Clipping Bars I need contrast at 84, because when contrast is at 85 it clips cyan magenta and yellow at 254, when lowering contrast to 84 then it don't clip at 254 no more.is this the correct way of doing it?
Yes, that's correct.
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On HDR it's 100/100 here in Norway too. Do you recommend oled light at 80 on HDR? I don't have any way of calibrating HDR so for me it's just eyeballing it.
100/100 it's better for the colors as I described above, I have calibrated all modes, 2D, 2D with 3D LUT, 3D, HDR10 using E6.

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I don't have E6 in front of me to re-check if the default settings @ DV mode are 100/100, I will reply when I will double check it. It's 100/100 for HDR10 mode for sure.

If you keep the Contrast/OLED @ 100, and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about 1.6dE2000 and the errors are coming from gamma (brigher) at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 670nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~2.0dE2000 average.

If you keep the Contrast @ 100 and reduce OLED about 80? (I don't remember the exact value...to get 540nits) and calibrated the RGB levels for HDR, then you get an average Grayscale of about ~1.0dE2000 (or lower)and the errors of gamma are reduced at mid range while the RGB balance is near perfect....you get about 540nits calibrated.

If you run a 5-Point Saturation with targets DCI P3 inside a REC2020 (look CalMAN HDR workflow) then you get about ~4.0dE2000 average.

So using LG instructions for HDR calibration (which say to reduce OLED light until you reach 540nits), you have more color errors and lower peak output.
Bottom line is keep both Oled Light and Contrast both at 100 in DV and HDR as well?

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On HDR it's 100/100 here in Norway too. Do you recommend oled light at 80 on HDR? I don't have any way of calibrating HDR so for me it's just eyeballing it.
I thought you calibrated HDR using Masciola test disk

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100 for HDR10, about DV I will confirm once I will check again, but use whatever default setting it has, per region model.
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100 for HDR10, about DV I will confirm once I will check again, but use whatever default setting it has, per region model.
In the 2015 models, HDR Oled Light and Contrast are locked. I guess there was a reason for that

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Thanks all on the suggestions. Has anyone had any success in removing scratches from there TV screen?
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Thanks all on the suggestions. Has anyone had any success in removing scratches from there TV screen?
Why would you have scratches on the screen in the first place?

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Can you see those scratches on normal viewing condition?
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so yeah the right side of my screen is superficially warmer color than the rest, I've been told this is normal by a few people.

**showing you pictures wouldn't be useful because it's not prominent enough to even show up.**

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I don't see how you would remove them once they are there - smudges and finger prints yes, not so much scratches. If you can exchange the television do so as they seem to gnawing at you.

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i think if you try you will probably remove the coating in that area and do more damage. Best to leave it be.
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Anyone notice how talkative WebOS is? If I run wireshark on my linux box, I see all kinds of broadcasts coming from the LG B6 all the time. Not enough to cause a DOS attack on my local network, mind you, but a surprising amount of traffic for something sitting there idle. The two most common ones seem to be SSDP broadcasts and something called ALLJOYN which apparently has something to do with "the internet of things" discovering one another. Maybe WebOS is positioning itself to talk to my refrigerator so as to suggest snacks I might want during football games?
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100/100 it's better for the colors as I described above, I have calibrated all modes, 2D, 2D with 3D LUT, 3D, HDR10 using E6.

I have posted some results from 21-Point Cube 3D LUT profiling with eeColor and LightSpace here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post49417777
Thanks.So I should leave brightness at 50 on HDR and DV Right? What about brightness on SDR?

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Thanks.So I should leave brightness at 50 on HDR and DV Right? What about brightness on SDR?
For HDR/DV, use 50, for SDR it's related also to what adjustments you have performed with 2/20-Point RGB Balance also.

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For HDR/DV, use 50, for SDR it's related also to what adjustments you have performed with 2/20-Point RGB Balance also.
For SDR out of the box no adjustment to 2/20 point.

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I haven't checked without 2/20 point adjustments, use some brightness patterns and check real content to see if you like the results or not

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Hdr effect

Is anyone using the picture Mode " HDR EFFECT" ? I notice it looks as good as cinema but everyone seems to use Expert Modes. Anyone have any info for this mode ? I have a 65B6
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Hate it.color looks wacky contrast etc etc don't look right to me.but if you like it go for it.
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Very fake picture. It is like watching music videos instead of movies

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It says 54 with gamma BT1886 but that is wrong when watching movies the black becomes gray and with 0% pattern brightness can't go over 51.

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I switched back and forth between 2.2 and 1886 while watching content, and 1886 is punchier for sure, but it looks too dark overall to my eyes. Maybe in a theater cave with everything blacked out it'd be better, but at night in my living room with the lights out, the room isn't pitch black. I have my PC monitor calibrated for photography and use 2.2 on that, so maybe it's just what I'm used to seeing. I kind of wish LG would've put a preset in for 2.3. Instead, that have 2.4 or BT.1886 which is repetitive because they are both the same.
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It says 54 with gamma BT1886 but that is wrong when watching movies the black becomes gray and with 0% pattern brightness can't go over 51.
This is why you need software/meter, to measure for example all the near black patterns 0.5-1-2-3-4-5%, with each setting (50/51/53/54) to see what is happening to the gamma of these near black patches, I have posted details here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post49244881
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