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I'd think the 10 ms advantage would hold steady through all modes possibly? That's horrid on the Samsung side of things - I'm just a long term outlook kinda person I guess.


The 10ms advantage is in game mode, right? It's still 60ish outside? Need the other guy to confirm.


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The 10ms advantage is in game mode, right? It's still 60ish outside? Need the other guy to confirm.


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34 ms game mode on the E6

51 outside I believe
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I played Tomb Raider on both game mode and ISF Dark on my E6. I honestly did not notice a difference in lag playing with the elite xbox controller. I think most people would be perfectly OK with the slightly higher lag on the B.

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34 ms game mode on the E6

51 outside I believe


http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6

Rtings is saying 62.8 outside game mode.


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If the C has better input lag than the B, then I would put to rest the motion benefits from having a better processor. Because I had the C, and I saw the same exact motion artifacts on it. In fact, it feels like less now, but it's probably because I'm used to it.


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I'm not belittling anyone - I'm simply saying that there's likely more to the input lag difference than you guys are saying. As far as processors being negligible when it comes to picture quality again I disagree. Difference between VT60 vs ST60 wasn't all panel based - processors definitely matter when it comes to certain aspects of the picture itself (resolving lines of vertical motion). If they didn't matter then they'd all have the same exact one for cost effective purposes but it's been confirmed that the B series does indeed not.

My theory here is that due to how the set behaves in HDR mode (or dolby vision) when accessing WebOS 3.0 during content playback that when HDR gaming rolls through (and it will) that the TV may not give it 44-50 ms response when HDR is engaged being that the TV is obviously taxed when HDR content is played.

Same goes for all other models. E6 will likely be in the 51 ms range when playing HDR. Thing is though that the E6 can get as low as 34 ms outside of HDR playback. Just a thought to a gamer that's looking into the newer HDR capable consoles or just HDR gaming in general (that is still input lag conscious).
Granted but as a VT owner myself the VT60 had some noticeable improvements over the ST60 and were advertised as such. The VT and ZT60 were in an entirely different league with a 3,000 FFD compared to 2,500 on the ST, 30,720 steps of gradation compared to 12,288 and a infinite black ultra panel vs infinite black pro. In reality better black levels and contrast and superior 3D from all the reviews. Also the THX modes that weren't on the ST.

The menu systems in all the 2016 OLED's are identical with the exception of the 3D option on the B series and I think if there were a true difference in panels besides aesthetics LG would be all over advertising it.
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If it helps, there are no vents on the back flat surface of the TV. The vents are on the top and the bottom of the part that sticks out that houses all of the electronics.
It sure looks like there is in the stock photo I posted. Does it not actually exist?
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I'm not belittling anyone - I'm simply saying that there's likely more to the input lag difference than you guys are saying. As far as processors being negligible when it comes to picture quality again I disagree. Difference between VT60 vs ST60 wasn't all panel based - processors definitely matter when it comes to certain aspects of the picture itself (resolving lines of vertical motion). If they didn't matter then they'd all have the same exact one for cost effective purposes but it's been confirmed that the B series does indeed not.

My theory here is that due to how the set behaves in HDR mode (or dolby vision) when accessing WebOS 3.0 during content playback that when HDR gaming rolls through (and it will) that the TV may not give it 44-50 ms response when HDR is engaged being that the TV is obviously taxed when HDR content is played.

Same goes for all other models. E6 will likely be in the 51 ms range when playing HDR. Thing is though that the E6 can get as low as 34 ms outside of HDR playback. Just a thought to a gamer that's looking into the newer HDR capable consoles or just HDR gaming in general (that is still input lag conscious).
You can have as many theories as you like, but according to LG and ISF calibrators, you'd be wrong. If you have evidence to the contrary, LG, reviewers, the calibration community and owners would love to see it.

I've already explained to you what the processor difference is for according to LG, audio and 3D. This according to Tim Alessi of LG. You choose not to believe it, not our problem. Again, if you have evidence to the contrary, I'm sure Tim, owners and particularly the LG marketing department would love to hear it. You could help them sell more of the higher priced displays. Don't you think the marketing department would use this in advertising? All companies do.

You also allude to 'how the set behaves in HDR mode (or DV) when accessing Web3.0 during content playback....' I'm not sure what that means. Did you test the G, E, C and B doing this? What differences did you see in PQ? Not one person has mentioned anything, so again you appear to know something nobody else does.

Unless you have proof of differences in PQ, it's wise to nip these unfounded 'theories' in the bud. The Internet has a way of spreading misinformation and this is how it begins.

Yes, there are lag time differences (that non-gamers don't care about), but the latest measurements by two different testers, showed a 10ms difference. If that's important to some, then the higher priced models are there. Just as those looking for sound bars, different aesthetics, curved vs flat and 3D have 4 choices.

But PQ? Sorry, they're all the same and even if there were minor differences, it would be so minor that nobody has been able to prove it. That would mean that unless 2 of those displays were butt up against each other, calibrated identically, playing the same content, you'd never see the difference.
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May not sound like much now, but we haven't even started with HDR gaming or seen how these displays handle 4k gaming (input lag).

Seems that some owners in this thread seem hell bent on justifying not leaping for the E series.
Or more like it's an extra $1000 I don't have laying around.
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But PQ? Sorry, they're all the same and even if there were minor differences, it would be so minor that nobody has been able to prove it. That would mean that unless 2 of those displays were butt up against each other, calibrated identically, playing the same content, you'd never see the difference.
I'm not saying PQ (we've since debated and agreed on that front).... I'm talking about the said "lag time" simply due to how WEB OS misbehaves when HDR content is playing.

Essentially that HDR input lag times may be different than both the standard input lag outside of game mode, and the game mode input lag. This would be problematic to those looking to play games in HDR in the near future.

Unfortunately I don't know of a meter that can test that right now (4k hdr input lag test) but it's certainly something to consider when a gamer may buy this set.



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Or more like it's an extra $1000 I don't have laying around.
Most don't, that's when a guy on my current tv said "what's in your wallet?"
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^ OK, I'm glad you essentially agree now. As for lag times, I'll leave that to the gamers.

I'm all for a separate thread on this subject as frankly, I think this predominates this thread to a point beyond what most owners would like to discuss.
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hey guys just a heads up the E6 is way brighter than the c6. E6 can get over 700 nits

From John Archer review of the E6 from Forbes magazine

"LG has been at pains to state that all of its OLED TVs for 2016 should perform pretty much identically. However, it quickly becomes apparent that the OLED65E6 is in fact quite a different picture quality beast to the previously tested OLED55C6.

The biggest difference is that the OLED65E6’s pictures look significantly brighter than those of the C6 – something which has the potential to prove very handy with high dynamic range content.

This brightness difference isn’t just some kind of illusion caused by, say, the glass-based design, either. The OLED65E6 measures a peak brightness of over 700 nits if you use its High Dynamic Range Bright setting, an increase of nearly 10% over the C6."
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Um, he tested a 55" vs a 65". The 65" within any model, as I understand it, are brighter.
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My Magnolia has the E, G and C right next to each other with the same settings. They look exactly the same. The C actually looked a little better to my eyes off angle due to the curve.
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I have an interest in buying the B6, but I don't game at all. I'm wondering if someone who owns the B6 for viewing only might be interested in starting a thread for content viewers who don't game, so we can discuss things other than lag? It's kind of a pain filtering through all the lag posts to learn about content viewing on the B6. I understand the gamers concern, but it has practically taken over this thread.
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I have an interest in buying the B6, but I don't game at all. I'm wondering if someone who owns the B6 for viewing only might be interested in starting a thread for content viewers who don't game, so we can discuss things other than lag? It's kind of a pain filtering through all the lag posts to learn about content viewing on the B6. I understand the gamers concern, but it has practically taken over this thread.
I couldn't agree more. However I think a thread on lag time should be started rather than creating another thread for the C6-B6.

Perhaps I'll do this now.
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And here ya go guys. Please post lag time discussions here, rather than in the dedicated OLED owner threads:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post45024482

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I posted this in the wall mount thread as well, but I figured I might have better luck here.

Can anyone that owns a 65B6P be so kind as to provide a few measurements for me?

I'm trying to figure out if my wall mount is going to block the vent on the back of the TV. I might be able to use some spacers, or it might fit just fine.

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There are vents on the back and now that you mentioned it, I've noticed that my mount covers them, but without adding any additional space it stands off about 1/4". I would think that most mounts would cover it and adding a couple of washers, certainly couldn't hurt.

a) 3 5/8"
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The vents are 1" x 11"
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There are vents on the back and now that you mentioned it, I've noticed that my mount covers them, but without adding any additional space it stands off about 1/4". I would think that most mounts would cover it and adding a couple of washers, certainly couldn't hurt.

a) 3 5/8"
b) 5"
The vents are 1" x 11"
Thank you!

I wanted to get this squared away before the TV shows up Thursday.

I decided to get official mount, as I was worried about breaking something with my current mount. The assembly that bolts to the TV before hanging it is over 40 lbs, and that just seemed like a bad idea with the low mounting points. It also looks like it might block some ports and the vent.

The A dimension you gave will help me get the LG mount bolted to the wall before the TV shows up, and the other dimensions should help others with a 65B6P on order.
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And here ya go guys. Please post lag time discussions here, rather than in the dedicated OLED owner threads:



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Thank you!

I wanted to get this squared away before the TV shows up Thursday.

I decided to get official mount, as I was worried about breaking something with my current mount. The assembly that bolts to the TV before hanging it is over 40 lbs, and that just seemed like a bad idea with the low mounting points. It also looks like it might block some ports and the vent.

The A dimension you gave will help me get the LG mount bolted to the wall before the TV shows up, and the other dimensions should help others with a 65B6P on order.
FWIW, I used the OmniMount FM 80 and I'm pretty happy with the result. I wanted to get the TV well away from the wall so that it lines up with the front of my existing furniture towers on either side. With the bottom weighting, the TV does want to tilt forward a good bit.
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So do you guys still use wired Ethernet for your TVs or switched everything to wifi now? I've always preferred wired for reliability purposes but now thinking about less clutter is nice.
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one of the things that is surprisingly/unexpectedly awesome is how this C6 screen produces reflections in a bright room. My iMac (glass IPS) is right next to the C6 and the reflections are much more bothersome on the iMac. there were massive glare and reflections on the EG9600 i looked at in Best Buy and i was worried this would be awful in my setup... it's actually not that bad... there's glare and reflections to be sure, but they are nowhere near as bad as the iMac.
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So do you guys still use wired Ethernet for your TVs or switched everything to wifi now? I've always preferred wired for reliability purposes but now thinking about less clutter is nice.
I use Wifi and have no issues streaming UHD HDR with either my Sony or LG OLED.

One thing I've noticed with the LG though, is it takes a bit longer for UHD resolution to kick in when using the Amazon app. With the Sony it's quicker. I've checked signal strength in both locations and they're essentially the same.
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Wireless due to router being too far away to use it wired. IMO, if you have wired connection easily accessible, use the wired one. Rest is up to your personal preference.

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My biggest issue with the B6

I'm not sure if different firmware versions between models impact this issue differently.

My issue is with DV HDR settings as it relates to Amazon. Once you dial in your settings, they go back to default not only upon exiting the app, but merely exiting the movie. With the app still up, going back into the movie shows your settings are back to default.

Considering I find the default settings ugly, this is a real PIA. I hope LG is aware of this.
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It sure looks like there is in the stock photo I posted. Does it not actually exist?
I am sorry, I believe you are correct. I could not see far enough in mine to 100% verify before replying to you. I am not able to check it right now, and will be a bit of an annoyance to pull it out to check.. I would probably not worry about it. I believe though on our mount anyways, the part that would cover it up actually sits above it and is in the clear.
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Wireless due to router being too far away to use it wired. IMO, if you have wired connection easily accessible, use the wired one. Rest is up to your personal preference.
There's also this if you want wired and router too far away:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S6DBGIS...MG4RVZT0&psc=1

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