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hey guys just a heads up the E6 is way brighter than the c6. E6 can get over 700 nits

From John Archer review of the E6 from Forbes magazine

"LG has been at pains to state that all of its OLED TVs for 2016 should perform pretty much identically. However, it quickly becomes apparent that the OLED65E6 is in fact quite a different picture quality beast to the previously tested OLED55C6.

The biggest difference is that the OLED65E6’s pictures look significantly brighter than those of the C6 – something which has the potential to prove very handy with high dynamic range content.

This brightness difference isn’t just some kind of illusion caused by, say, the glass-based design, either. The OLED65E6 measures a peak brightness of over 700 nits if you use its High Dynamic Range Bright setting, an increase of nearly 10% over the C6."
I like John Archer, he seems to shoot pretty straight. Here is the problem I have with the above statement. From his C6 review.

"Even in the set’s least bright ‘Standard’ HDR mode the OLED55C6 gets past the 540 nits peak brightness requirement of the Ultra HD Premium specifications, while the Bright HDR mode manages to hit peaks approaching 700 nits."

The 2 statements from the reviews are pretty ambiguous to say the least. A 10% difference would imply a nit difference of at least 65-70 nits. We are never given exact numbers here which is problem #1. If the C6 approaches 700 nits in bright mode then the E6 hit 750 nits and that is the terminology you would use, not a peak brightness of over 700 nits for the E6 while the C6 approaches 700 nits. Bottom line is I want exact nit measurements before I believe his statement.
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So do you guys still use wired Ethernet for your TVs or switched everything to wifi now? I've always preferred wired for reliability purposes but now thinking about less clutter is nice.
I'm using the wired connection. Does anyone know if it is 100Mb or 1Gb? The switch it is connected to is only 100 MB and I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade. It sees my 5 GHz router, so that actually might be faster than wired in my case. My internet is only 30 Mb/sec so I mainly care because I've downloaded some content to a hard drive attached to my router. Some of it has bits rates over 90 Mb/sec and it paused and halted over the wired. I haven't tried WiFi.
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There's also this if you want wired and router too far away:

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Your exposures are radically different. Did the 'new' one look that bad visually or is the exposure exaggerating it?
The new one actually looked worse than what the picture shows as on the right side there was also something like horrible graining going on.
By the way the 4k fusion hdmi cable i bought also from amazon prime was a returned item too, did some googling about amazon selling returned/used items as new and found a lot more people with similar experiences.
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I like John Archer, he seems to shoot pretty straight. Here is the problem I have with the above statement. From his C6 review.

"Even in the set’s least bright ‘Standard’ HDR mode the OLED55C6 gets past the 540 nits peak brightness requirement of the Ultra HD Premium specifications, while the Bright HDR mode manages to hit peaks approaching 700 nits."

The 2 statements from the reviews are pretty ambiguous to say the least. A 10% difference would imply a nit difference of at least 65-70 nits. We are never given exact numbers here which is problem #1. If the C6 approaches 700 nits in bright mode then the E6 hit 750 nits and that is the terminology you would use, not a peak brightness of over 700 nits for the E6 while the C6 approaches 700 nits. Bottom line is I want exact nit measurements before I believe his statement.
Either way I can't get excited. Besides 'Bright' HDR mode is not recommended.
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Either way I can't get excited. Besides 'Bright' HDR mode is not recommended.
Not recommended by who? Many users are finding it the best mode. Having seen a trio of OLED's at BB all with an HDR signal ported through the HDMI it makes a big difference in brightness. The 65E6 was already in HDR bright mode after hitting the menu button on the TV and the switching the 55C6 and 65B6 into HDR bright from HDR standard makes a significant impact. Granted the standard mode gives the most leeway for calibration purposes. All I know is by most reports this will increase peak brightness at least 100 nits above HDR standard.
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I've seen two reviews that suggested 'Standard' was the better option. But hey, the options are there for those that want it. I'm not sure there's a right or wrong way to go about this.

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I've seen two reviews that suggested 'Standard' was the better option. But hey, the options are there for those that want it. I'm not sure there's a right or wrong way to go about this.
The problem is there is no clear specification of what the options do. There are literally tens of combinations of picture options between the settings in the player and the one in the TV. For HDR I have no idea which setting is closest to the calibrated monitor they used for grading.

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can someone send me a link to the test slides/pictures?
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Just an update, I noticed that while watching Amazon's DV or HDR, the picture mode s locked in Standard. So even if you wanted to switch modes, you can't.
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Just an update, I noticed that while watching Amazon's DV or HDR, the picture mode s locked in Standard. So even if you wanted to switch modes, you can't.
That's more of an Amazon App bug. I think Netflix in DV mode does not have this limitation.

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I'll be purchasing either the B6 or C6 later tonight. I am not a fan of curved displays, but for the same cost you get 3D with the C6. Is there any PQ benefit of having a flat display (B6) compared to the curved display (C6)? I really want a reason to get the B6 over the C6 .
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I'll be purchasing either the B6 or C6 later tonight. I am not a fan of curved displays, but for the same cost you get 3D with the C6. Is there any PQ benefit of having a flat display (B6) compared to the curved display (C6)? I really want a reason to get the B6 over the C6 .
I got the C6 over B6 mainly due to using it with my laptop as secondary display, since I'll be sitting almost 2-3 feet away from the screen. The curve design does make it feel immersive when sitting that close. And the best part was that it was costing same as B6. I would have bought B6 if for some reason C6 would have cost more than B6. The PQ should be same, at least that's what been reported by the owner and the reviewers. The only major issue owner are having with B6 is the input lag when compared to C6. There's a new thread for that issue, therefore you'll find more information in there. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...6-c6-e6-g.html

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I'll be purchasing either the B6 or C6 later tonight. I am not a fan of curved displays, but for the same cost you get 3D with the C6. Is there any PQ benefit of having a flat display (B6) compared to the curved display (C6)? I really want a reason to get the B6 over the C6 .
I would have preferred a flat screen as well, but I have quite a few 3D Blus so I got the C6. No regerts, don't even notice the curve when watching and the 3D is much better than it was on my plasma.

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I got the C6 over B6 mainly due to using it with my laptop as secondary display, since I'll be sitting almost 2-3 feet away from the screen. The curve design does make it feel immersive when sitting that close. And the best part was that it was costing same as B6. I would have bought B6 if for some reason C6 would have cost more than B6. The PQ should be same, at least that's what been reported by the owner and the reviewers. The only major issue owner are having with B6 is the input lag when compared to C6. There's a new thread for that issue, therefore you'll find more information in there. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...6-c6-e6-g.html
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I would have preferred a flat screen as well, but I have quite a few 3D Blus so I got the C6. No regerts, don't even notice the curve when watching and the 3D is much better than it was on my plasma.
Thanks for the input! Ahh such a tough decision. So here is my rationale....I have zero 3d BluRays and don't ever plan on buying one, I've told myself I'll never succumb to the curve hype, and I have a dedicated gaming TV (Vizio P50-C1 - and only Xbox One gaming so 60hz is fine), so I'll never game on the OLED. Due to the above reasons, am I safe buying the B6, or is there still something else about the C6 that is worthwhile? I've also talked myself out of buying the Sony x940d due to the results of the VE Shootout, making that decision much easier.
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And here ya go guys. Please post lag time discussions here, rather than in the dedicated OLED owner threads:

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Just wanted to say "Thanks!" Ken. This thread is already more user friendly for non-gamers.
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Thanks for the input! Ahh such a tough decision. So here is my rationale....I have zero 3d BluRays and don't ever plan on buying one, I've told myself I'll never succumb to the curve hype, and I have a dedicated gaming TV (Vizio P50-C1 - and only Xbox One gaming so 60hz is fine), so I'll never game on the OLED. Due to the above reasons, am I safe buying the B6, or is there still something else about the C6 that is worthwhile? I've also talked myself out of buying the Sony x940d due to the results of the VE Shootout, making that decision much easier.
I see no reason, given your criteria, not to buy the B6. I too had no taste for 3D, no desire for the curve and I already had a sound bar, so I didn't need that. My wife and I also preferred the sleek design of the B6 that lends itself nicely to wall-mounting.

Now that I have it for several weeks, zero regrets and really loving it.
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Thanks for the input! Ahh such a tough decision. So here is my rationale....I have zero 3d BluRays and don't ever plan on buying one, I've told myself I'll never succumb to the curve hype, and I have a dedicated gaming TV (Vizio P50-C1 - and only Xbox One gaming so 60hz is fine), so I'll never game on the OLED. Due to the above reasons, am I safe buying the B6, or is there still something else about the C6 that is worthwhile? I've also talked myself out of buying the Sony x940d due to the results of the VE Shootout, making that decision much easier.
Yeah really no reason to go C6 given your comments here. Stick to the B6 and you'll be ecstatic.

Really 3D and marginal input lag were the deciding factors for me going C6. But unlike you, I wanted to use the OLED for both purposes.
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Thanks for the input! Ahh such a tough decision. So here is my rationale....I have zero 3d BluRays and don't ever plan on buying one, I've told myself I'll never succumb to the curve hype, and I have a dedicated gaming TV (Vizio P50-C1 - and only Xbox One gaming so 60hz is fine), so I'll never game on the OLED. Due to the above reasons, am I safe buying the B6, or is there still something else about the C6 that is worthwhile? I've also talked myself out of buying the Sony x940d due to the results of the VE Shootout, making that decision much easier.
If you can, you should still take the opportunity to watch 3D content like Hugo, Guardians of the Galaxy, Immortals, and Life of Pi (and/or some of the Imax documentaries if you prefer) on 4K OLED. It might even make you a believer as 3D in the home in its current incarnation is in its twilight.
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I see no reason, given your criteria, not to buy the B6. I too had no taste for 3D, no desire for the curve and I already had a sound bar, so I didn't need that. My wife and I also preferred the sleek design of the B6 that lends itself nicely to wall-mounting.

Now that I have it for several weeks, zero regrets and really loving it.
Just a correction, C6 doesn't have sound bar. It's everything what B6 is other than curve and 3D

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I get a lot of stuttering on certain channels on DirecTV and none on others. I turned on Avatar on FX just to check out the pq and it was stuttering a lot. When I turned dejudder off from 2 where it was at then it stopped. I think I saw an explanation for this in one of the threads recently but can anyone explain what the issue is? I can turn dejudder all the way up on blu ray and it works as intended. I see no frame skipping or stuttering on blu ray. The other source I consistently see it on is streaming from non 4K sources. I was watching Silicon Valley on HBO GO from the Xbox One and it was stuttering. Then I watched the same episode on HBO On Demand and it was fine. When I get the stuttering on streaming sources, I can't stop it no matter what my motion settings are and it's not any certain panning or movement that makes it happen. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is my biggest problem with tv's because I had zero issues on my Sony that I'm coming from and it seems like every other manufacturer just can't get it right.

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I get a lot of stuttering on certain channels on DirecTV and none on others. I turned on Avatar on FX just to check out the pq and it was stuttering a lot. When I turned dejudder off from 2 where it was at then it stopped. I think I saw an explanation for this in one of the threads recently but can anyone explain what the issue is? I can turn dejudder all the way up on blu ray and it works as intended. I see no frame skipping or stuttering on blu ray. The other source I consistently see it on is streaming from non 4K sources. I was watching Silicon Valley on HBO GO from the Xbox One and it was stuttering. Then I watched the same episode on HBO On Demand and it was fine. When I get the stuttering on streaming sources, I can't stop it no matter what my motion settings are and it's not any certain panning or movement that makes it happen. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is my biggest problem with tv's because I had zero issues on my Sony that I'm coming from and it seems like every other manufacturer just can't get it right.
I had this with the output from my 4K C61 clients attached to my Sony and LG. A simple rebooting of the C61s, fixed it. Others have had the same issues with a variety of UHD displays and it seems to remedy the stuttering with this equipment.

You didn't mention which units you have, but I'd try a reboot no matter what it is.
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Just read all 1259 posts and the rtings.com review (yes I have no life) and found out some disheartening information, which may lead to me not purchasing this TV tonight like I wanted to . This TV exhibits judder via steaming services (e.g., Netflix, Amazon Video). I am very, very sensitive to judder and I hate the soap opera effect (SOE). Does this exclude me as a good candidate for a B6? God I hope not, I really don't want to keep playing the lottery with the 950b and don't really feel like paying the extra money for the 940d.
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B or C

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If you can, you should still take the opportunity to watch 3D content like Hugo, Guardians of the Galaxy, Immortals, and Life of Pi (and/or some of the Imax documentaries if you prefer) on 4K OLED. It might even make you a believer as 3D in the home in its current incarnation is in its twilight.
To see such 3D content means that you have to buy 3D bluray, which are not 4K HDR.
This can also be a point to decide whether to go for B or C.
And this can also explain why 3D is beginning to be less popular.

I'm also in the phase to buy an OLED and as many of the people, I am trying to decide if buying a B or C.
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I had this with the output from my 4K C61 clients attached to my Sony and LG. A simple rebooting of the C61s, fixed it. Others have had the same issues with a variety of UHD displays and it seems to remedy the stuttering with this equipment.



You didn't mention which units you have, but I'd try a reboot no matter what it is.


I think it's the HR54? It's not the 4K box. I'll try rebooting it. What about the streams though? The streaming that stutters has all been from the Xbox One. Maybe there's something going on there. I'm gonna try the same content on the PS4.
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I was curious what picture settings people use for sports? I had the B6 calibrated and ISF darkroom was too dark to watch a previously recorded football game off the NFL network. Thanks.
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I'm watching Zoolander 2 right now on blu ray...looks amazing. Good looking blus look incredible on this thing!
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Just read all 1259 posts and the rtings.com review (yes I have no life) and found out some disheartening information, which may lead to me not purchasing this TV tonight like I wanted to . This TV exhibits judder via steaming services (e.g., Netflix, Amazon Video). I am very, very sensitive to judder and I hate the soap opera effect (SOE). Does this exclude me as a good candidate for a B6? God I hope not, I really don't want to keep playing the lottery with the 950b and don't really feel like paying the extra money for the 940d.
take my reply with a grain of salt until the savvy folk opine...

i dont see the soap opera effect on this tv, but i've only watched movies from dish network so far. the soe is a major distraction to me, and if it were bad i would return my c6 without another thought. also, i thought the judder was resolved with a firmware update, but again... let someone else chime in before you make decisions.
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take my reply with a grain of salt until the savvy folk opine...

i dont see the soap opera effect on this tv, but i've only watched movies from dish network so far. the soe is a major distraction to me, and if it were bad i would return my c6 without another thought. also, i thought the judder was resolved with a firmware update, but again... let someone else chime in before you make decisions.

I'm referring to the rtings.com article where they say that to remove judder from 24p via 60p SOE needs to be enabled, I'm not saying the SOE is inherent in the display (although the way I wrote the post it sure does sound like that, doh!) I'm glad to hear you notice no judder on steaming services, such as Netflix, am I reading that correctly?
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