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Yes I agree. I guess I wasn't clear. I was answering his question. All you have to do to go to PC mode is to change the input label.

PC mode will not "take" if the signal is interlaced or 24p.

Verify PC mode by checking the Trumotion is disabled and not merely off.
Awesome, we agree. Just wanted to make it clear as I've seen some people mention that it's "just an icon" ... That's obviously not the case. This practice goes back many years with some manufacturers. (I've had a few TV's where you had to label the HDMI input "PC" to disable overscan)

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My Comcast box is 1080i, so Trumotion isn't greyed out I suppose. Doesn't this make it a pointless exercise?
Yep. Pointless. I have already been through it for you.
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Awesome, we agree. Just wanted to make it clear as I've seen some people mention that it's "just an icon" ... That's obviously not the case. This practice goes back many years with some manufacturers. (I've had a few TV's where you had to label the HDMI input "PC" to disable overscan)
Yeah. I fixed my post I can totally see how you read that.
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I view sitting off angle and get no crosstalk on my C6.
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No problems with angle viewing here but if I get off the theater seats and sit on the floor then the 3D picture becomes unwatchable...
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When I mounted my TV on a roller stand I accidentally had it angled backwards a bit and I did have a lot of crosstalk on the top of the screen. Once I leveled it out the crosstalk went away.
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Yep. Pointless. I have already been through it for you.
Thanks. What was your cable box feeding which gave you judder then?

FWIW, for others possibly, HDMI3 labeled "PC" gave me a Dolby Digital signal vs PCM on HDMI1 with no label. Of no use in my setup as I'm taking sound straight from the Comcast box to my speakers.
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Do you run the Chromecast directly into the TV or through an AVR?

I'm wondering if I ran the Chromecast to the LG would it output DD via optical or only stereo? Currently have this issue with my Shield TV.
Not wanting to turn this into another CC thread but:
I run mine through an AVR input.
I am unable to answer your question about the DD vs Stereo.
I'm sure your question is answered in the dedicated CC Ultra forum.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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I've got to say I have been pretty down on my B6 since getting it a few weeks ago because the micro stuttering (NOT judder) has been driving me crazy. With or without Trumotion no matter the source including built in apps I was seeing it frequently. Two adjustments have restored my sanity. PC mode for cable TV and a Chromecast Ultra for Netflix viewing. Interestingly enough I haven't even had to resort to PC mode for the Chromecast Ultra to eliminate stuttering - just set the input to Deep Color and enjoyed the B6 in all of its glory.
Don't know if this will help you or not, but when I left for a long weekend last week, I turned off the B6 and unplugged it. On return, three days later, I plugged it back in and turned it on. Seems that the motion issues I too was stressing over got better and some fine line twitter is also gone. Don't know if this is just a fluke or if there is something to it. Makes me wonders if it was needed to update some of the firmware.
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I've got to say I have been pretty down on my B6 since getting it a few weeks ago because the micro stuttering (NOT judder) has been driving me crazy. With or without Trumotion no matter the source including built in apps I was seeing it frequently. Two adjustments have restored my sanity. PC mode for cable TV and a Chromecast Ultra for Netflix viewing. Interestingly enough I haven't even had to resort to PC mode for the Chromecast Ultra to eliminate stuttering - just set the input to Deep Color and enjoyed the B6 in all of its glory.
As the PC mode discoverer, let me give you my latest discoveries.

For obligatory 60hz material (like cable TV), use PC mode.

For internal app like Netflix, TURN OFF DEBLUR and you can use 2-3 of Dejudder.

I found out Deblur was the biggest responsible for stutter. However, if you only use Dejudder, you should not have stutter. THE MOTION IS REALLY REALLY GREAT with Deblur0 Dejudder3 and minimal artefacts).

For a Blu-ray player outputting true 24hz, also TURN OFF DEBLUR (0), and only use Dejudder (2-3).

Deblur on the B6 is CRAP!!! It was the cause of 90% of all my stutter problem. Even Deblur at 1 give you big problem.
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For obligatory 60hz material (like cable TV), use PC mode.
Isn't most cable TV interlaced? I thought some posters above were claiming PC mode doesn't actually work with an interlaced source...
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Isn't most cable TV interlaced? I thought some posters above were claiming PC mode doesn't actually work with an interlaced source...
Some have 1080p capability or 720p.
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Agree here. Horizontal location doesn't matter, but vertical location is key; you want your head to be on a level somewhere within the upper or lower edges of the screen.

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Any C6/B6 owners switch form a Sony 930d or Samsung KS8000/KS8500? Do you feel a 65" C6/B6 is $1500-$1800 better than the 930d or KS8000/KS8500?


Really considering the 2016 OLED's simply for the passive 3D in that really dark room. I have a 4 year old son and really expect to dive into all the Star Wars Movies with him in the next few years and trying to create a pretty awesome set up in an extra bedroom. Room can be pitch black and it is only about 11' x 11' square. Viewing distance about 5-7'


On the other hand, Not sure we will be in that room watching movies as much as we think and didn't want to over spend on a limited use room. Also, not sure how many 3D BLU Rays they are going to keep releasing in the future? I realize I can only decide if it is worth the extra money but just trying to get others opinions.

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Some have 1080p capability or 720p.
So does that mean that I could set my DirecTV box to output 720p (instead of native) and I could use PC mode? Or would there be no point in doing such a thing...
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Any C6/B6 owners switch form a Sony 930d or Samsung KS8000/KS8500? Do you feel a 65" C6/B6 is $1500-$1800 better than the 930d or KS8000/KS8500?


Really considering the 2016 OLED's simply for the passive 3D in that really dark room. I have a 4 year old son and really expect to dive into all the Star Wars Movies with him in the next few years and trying to create a pretty awesome set up in an extra bedroom. Room can be pitch black and it is only about 11' x 11' square. Viewing distance about 5-7'


On the other hand, Not sure we will be in that room watching movies as much as we think and didn't want to over spend on a limited use room. Also, not sure how many 3D BLU Rays they are going to keep releasing in the future? I realize I can only decide if it is worth the extra money but just trying to get others opinions.

Thanks
Another thought what about going 55 inch in that dark room with an OLED for only about $200 - $400 more than the 65 inch Sony or Samsung.
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Another thought what about going 55 inch in that dark room with an OLED for only about $200 - $400 more than the 65 inch Sony or Samsung.
In a dark room I would go 55 OLED over a 65 LCD any day. Especially watching Star Wars movies where the darkness of space will be so much richer on an OLED.

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In a dark room I would go 55 OLED over a 65 LCD any day. Especially watching Star Wars movies where the darkness of space will be so much richer on an OLED.


You are right. Its a funny thing to realize, but you are completely right.
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I'm getting a 65" B6 and am trying to decide whether to use the included stand or to mount it on my current TV stand.
Could someone kindly tell me the width and depth of the LG stand, or better yet, point to a diagram of it.
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I have a 65" LG B6 and Dolby Vision shows on netflix (specifically Santa Clarita Diet) don't look as good as they used to. It seems that there was an update over the past few months that defaulted Dolby Vision to use TrueMotion and Noise Reduction? I have since turned off Noise Reduction and TrueMotion and am using Movie Bright setting, but the PQ doesn't look that good, pretty crappy actually. Any suggestions?
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I am only going to say this once so........... listen up.


If you haven't seen the 4k HDR demos from YouTube you have no idea what your display is capable of.
I purchased a Chromecast Ultra and installed it yesterday.
Oh for the Love of whoever you worship!!!!
It will be the best $65.00 you will spend.
I'll also say this, if you haven't seen Pacific Rim 4K UHD disc, then you really have no idea of what your display is capable of. I demo'd the first half hour of the disc to friends over the weekend. Many were like "is 4K and HDR really worth it?". Then the disc starts playing and as soon as the WB logo appears all of them (even their wives) were like "holy ****, it's so clear, almost 3D like". And that was just the freaking opening with the WB logo. When the movie started, they were all mesmerized. FWIW, I have a Panasonic UHD player, which has been fantastic with the B6.
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Not wanting to turn this into another CC thread but:
I run mine through an AVR input.
I am unable to answer your question about the DD vs Stereo.
I'm sure your question is answered in the dedicated CC Ultra forum.
Ok, thanks. I'll wade through there and see if any LG owners are in there.
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Sorry if repeated prior, but I'm a little short on time today.

I'm a brand new B6 owner. Can someone give a link for some good initial settings until I can get a calibration?

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As the PC mode discoverer, let me give you my latest discoveries.

For obligatory 60hz material (like cable TV), use PC mode.

For internal app like Netflix, TURN OFF DEBLUR and you can use 2-3 of Dejudder.

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For a Blu-ray player outputting true 24hz, also TURN OFF DEBLUR (0), and only use Dejudder (2-3).

Deblur on the B6 is CRAP!!! It was the cause of 90% of all my stutter problem. Even Deblur at 1 give you big problem.
Ok good stuff! I have Direct TV so should I switch the input from Satellite to PC? Also what about my PS4 Pro? should I leave that as Game Mode on that input or should I change that to PC too?

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Any C6/B6 owners switch form a Sony 930d or Samsung KS8000/KS8500? Do you feel a 65" C6/B6 is $1500-$1800 better than the 930d or KS8000/KS8500?





Really considering the 2016 OLED's simply for the passive 3D in that really dark room. I have a 4 year old son and really expect to dive into all the Star Wars Movies with him in the next few years and trying to create a pretty awesome set up in an extra bedroom. Room can be pitch black and it is only about 11' x 11' square. Viewing distance about 5-7'





On the other hand, Not sure we will be in that room watching movies as much as we think and didn't want to over spend on a limited use room. Also, not sure how many 3D BLU Rays they are going to keep releasing in the future? I realize I can only decide if it is worth the extra money but just trying to get others opinions.



Thanks


I have 65" B6 in living room and 65" X930D in bedroom - it's really hard to enjoy the LCD black levels - watching anything with letterboxes in particular drives me crazy with the slight glow. I love everything else about the Sony though. For Star Wars movies I would imagine you will appreciate the black levels much more with OLED. Of course this is what people on avsforums notice - not a single one of my friends would ever notice or care about the differences.


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I'll also say this, if you haven't seen Pacific Rim 4K UHD disc, then you really have no idea of what your display is capable of. I demo'd the first half hour of the disc to friends over the weekend. Many were like "is 4K and HDR really worth it?". Then the disc starts playing and as soon as the WB logo appears all of them (even their wives) were like "holy ****, it's so clear, almost 3D like". And that was just the freaking opening with the WB logo. When the movie started, they were all mesmerized. FWIW, I have a Panasonic UHD player, which has been fantastic with the B6.
Lucy is another HDR WOW!

Even if the plot is ridiculously bad, that fantastic HDR make the movie good.
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Ok good stuff! I have Direct TV so should I switch the input from Satellite to PC? Also what about my PS4 Pro? should I leave that as Game Mode on that input or should I change that to PC too?
No need to, the input lag is higher in PC mode on the B6.
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Oh brother. That's a question alright


Honestly you just don't even really want to know and I wish I could climb back into my blissful ignorance bubble that I had with my old CRT. In a nutshell motion is not captured well in film making because it is constrained to 24 frames per second. This makes displaying the motion faithfully somewhat of a disaster because even if you reproduce it faithfully its going to look bad for people that 'see' the issues. For movies 24 frames per second isn't high enough to provide smooth motion consistently. The extra motion processing people enable on their tv's to make things silky smooth use the computer/chip to 'makeup' frames using an algorithm to extrapolate extra frames that don't actually exist in the source. The software usually just makes things really super smooth, and soap opera like, but in our TVs case there's a whole bunch of sideeffects. Artifacts are common amongst all tv motion smoothers and are just results of the algorithm getting some things wrong in the picture while its busy making up new frames that never existed, and there is no set of standards on how a motion smoother needs to work when its busy making up these new frames. The extra bad our TV's Motion Smoother functions have is a stutter, or inconsistent motion that creates a noticeable jerkiness, which is really bad since you normally turn these things on to stop things from looking jerky to begin with.


But the great news is that if you have all that junk turned off and you have no complaints you are in the good zone and you should just stay there! If you see 'realcinema' on while watching a movie, just understand that that means the TV is guaranteeing you that your 24 frame per second movie is actually displaying 24 distinct frames back to you for equal amounts of time, you know, like a 'real cinema' . Of course our TV's blink at 120hz so that means you actually get each frame repeated 5 times to you with RealCinema On (5 x 24frames = 120hz).


There's a whole bunch more to it when you start peeling this onion back...but imo, just don't
Very informative answer...

Regarding 24 fps...does RealCinema remove 3:2 pull down from 60 Hz inputs and show it in its original form?

Thank you in advance...
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Any C6/B6 owners switch form a Sony 930d or Samsung KS8000/KS8500? Do you feel a 65" C6/B6 is $1500-$1800 better than the 930d or KS8000/KS8500?


Really considering the 2016 OLED's simply for the passive 3D in that really dark room. I have a 4 year old son and really expect to dive into all the Star Wars Movies with him in the next few years and trying to create a pretty awesome set up in an extra bedroom. Room can be pitch black and it is only about 11' x 11' square. Viewing distance about 5-7'


On the other hand, Not sure we will be in that room watching movies as much as we think and didn't want to over spend on a limited use room. Also, not sure how many 3D BLU Rays they are going to keep releasing in the future? I realize I can only decide if it is worth the extra money but just trying to get others opinions.

Thanks
I had a ks8000 for about a month prior to exchanging it for a 65" c6. The Samsung is a nice TV but I wanted 3d and OLED. I've had the LG for 3.5 months now and, in my opinion, it is completely worth the additional cost.

Also, since they aren't making 3d TVs anymore, I'd be even more inclined to get the 65" if I were you. The larger size screen is more likely to remain satisfying for longer.

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Have a weird issue going on with my 55C6P - in HDR something is very wrong with the black level. It's set too high and so any dark scenes look terrible and just wrong. I also own a 55B6P and when using my Samsung K8500 to play Ultra HD Blus with the exact same cables and settings across the board, HDR looks beautiful on it. Take the same player, cable, and settings to the C6P and it looks really bad. Daytime/bright scenes look fine, but any darkness and I can see the blacks looks mostly grey and then there's spots of total black crush. The B6P exhibits absolutely none of these issues.

When I watched the Ultra HD of John Wick, it looked terrible. I could see artifacts all in the dark areas on screen. It was a mess. But playing it on the B6P, it looked beautiful.

I'm curious if anyone else has experienced anything like this. I tried all of the HDMI inputs, checked HDMI Ultra Deep Color settings, did a factory reset on settings, put the latest firmware on it, triple checked all the settings and nothing helped.

Any ideas?
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So does that mean that I could set my DirecTV box to output 720p (instead of native) and I could use PC mode? Or would there be no point in doing such a thing...
Yes that would work, but I would say it isn't worth it because 720p looks inferior compared to 1080i (especially on the menus).
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