Hello all and greetings from Greece!
I am long-time Panasonic plasma owner (have a Panasonic 50" v20 in the living room, and a 42" in the bedroom). I absolutely love the image on plasmas, especially the motion and natural colors (+ of course the deep blacks). I watch lots of movies on blu-ray and netflix, I game on the PS4 quite a bit, and I also watch youtube content.
I have been lurking around forums and reading articles and reviews for a couple of years now, because I have been wanting to upgrade to a 65" in the living room. The problem is that up until OLED reared its beautiful head, I could never come to terms and compromise with all the problems with LCD/LEDs, even in the very highest range ones with all the bells and whistles. A couple of times friends have called me over to show off their new 60-65" Flagship Sony (or whatever) LED TV, and although I was always polite, I thought to myself ''Damn, I'm so glad that I have a late-gen Plasma!!''. I LOVE the plasma picture quality, and especially the buttery-smooth motion handling with absolutely no video-processing, as well as the natural colors. Still, I sit 13-14 feet from the TV in the living room and I definitely need a bigger screen.
Since the B6 came out it has been winking at me seductively, and I had been itching to order the 65" based on reviews (especially Rtings and Cnet), but I was waiting for a price drop, which finally came big-time here in Greece, and for some feedback from you guys.
I was convinced to pull the trigger, and so last week I made the order and I put the TV on hold so I could go and pick it up at the store. Before going to the store my cousin announced that he had been sent a 55" B6 from his company (he is a media/tech journalist) and was setting it up, so I decided to go take look for at it for myself. I was really hyped, and fully expected to get blow-away by the TV and run off to the store and pick mine up. I had all the tabs opened up at home for proper calibration settings, un boxing, etc etc.
Long story-short: after viewing my cousin's 55" B6 I was semi-disappointed, and my hype deflated. Short story-long: I started off with viewing a couple games on the Ps4 pro in HDR. AMAZING. I was loving the resolution, the crispness, the blacks, the colors, the low input lag. Everything was TOP notch! Then we flip on netflix via the local app. I started to see small artifacts in motion and just slight SOE (two of the things I hate most about LED's). So I think to myself ''oh my cousin has the Tru motion setting too high''. He had the at de-Judder 1 and de-blur 7. So we turn tru-motion off completely. And then I see the infamous Judder of which I had read so much about in the forums (this was my major concern before buying the B6). I felt that the consensus was that the Judder was minor on 24p content (Blu Rays and local apps), and that the problem was only on 24p over 60Hz in external devices which would be fixed in the .15 patch anyway (when it comes to Europe). But there it was - in the local Netflix app - not from an external devise.
...So we threw in some blu rays. There's the Judder again. Its distracting as hell for me. I start playing around with the tru-motion settings, and I must admit that with de-judder on 1 and de-blur on 7 the Judder is minimized (although still present, more so than in my plasmas - *not talking about the innate judder in 24p movies) and the artefacts/smoothing are barely noticeable. Combine this with the blacks, contrast, and crispness, it makes for a great PQ on th B6, ahead of anything I have seen from LCD/LEDs, but still...my Plasma is better!!
My Panny Plasma compared to the B6 is a little worse in the blacks, and maybe picture crispness, but the motion resolution, motion handling, and natural colors give the picture such a natural look which I have never seen equaled in any non-plasma Tv. I was hoping that finally OLED would make all us cinefiles holding on to our beloved plasmas happy again that we could finally start looking at new Tvs which would satisfy our spoiled-by-plasma eyes. And to say the truth, I have seen several former Plasma owners happy with their new B6...although almost all mention something or other about the motion issues.
I realize that motion is a subjective issue to a degree, and it affect some people more than others. Hell, some people actually like the SOE, and intentionally turn on the video processing to 'high'. To each his own..but I cannot bring myself to pay a hefty amount of money (even now that the 65" B6 is 2.799 euros + a complementary sound bar, which is amazing bang-for-your-buck considering...) and trade in the Plasma for a lesser quality -to my eyes- picture.
Saying that, I have yet to see a 4k Blu-ray on the B6. I am hoping that due to the native 4k 24p input (no need for up-scaling), the Judder will be minimal, and certainly better than on 1080p blu rays. Would someone (such as Superman23) who used to own a Plasma and has experience with both technologies, care to comment on the Judder/motion/frame interpolation differences on the B6 vs Plasma, and more specifically in 4k vs 1080p with Tru motion-off (or on with DJ o DB 0)? I know that this issue has been talked about already, but from what I see, many people are holding off pulling the trigger on the B6 just because of this 'motion issue''.
I am pretty sure that I will not go ahead with buying the B6, or the B7 for that matter as from what I read differences are minimal, since almost all content outhere is 1080p and not 4k. Also, I have heard that the new 2017 Panasonic OLEDS are promising (by the way, where are they? No pricing yet?). Panasonic says that the have utilized their Plamsa self-emitting tech knowledge in their development of their OLEDS...
Still, I am open to all feedback from you guys, and my mind is not 100% made-up...as the itch for the 65" B6 is not gone completely. Also I am interested in OLED tech as I believe that it is the future (foreseeable at least) of Tvs, and will it eventually surpass Plasmas in every way. Maybe after they get bright enough to have BFI?
Thanks to anyone who got though my ramblings and is still reading, and all comments are appreciated!
Ps. I am new to forums in general, and this is the first time I have actively engaged and signed up in one. Please keep up the good work, information and discussions! If I have crossed any etiquette lines/rules plz let me know.