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Chad B came today. Big thanks!

Let's just say after all my tweaks and all the settings I tried it was still way way off lol. My gamma and color curve is right on now which is real nice.

Fwiw he left oled at 100 in bright and game, 85 for dark. I told him I like it a little brighter anyway. But I think all the sets are different for optimum backlight.

Haven't watched a movie yet but ESPN looks pretty accurate.

Also fwiw Comcast signal is dog doo lol. So soft and grainy and fuzzy.


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Chad B came today. Big thanks!

Let's just say after all my tweaks and all the settings I tried it was still way way off lol. My gamma and color curve is right on now which is real nice.

Fwiw he left oled at 100 in bright and game, 85 for dark. I told him I like it a little brighter anyway. But I think all the sets are different for optimum backlight.

Haven't watched a movie yet but ESPN looks pretty accurate.

Also fwiw Comcast signal is dog doo lol. So soft and grainy and fuzzy.


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Congrats! Chad B is one of the best isf calibrators in the country! It's funny how far off these displays vary from panel to panel. When he did another B6 a month ago he had their oled light on isf dark at 44 and on yours he has it at 85. Just goes to show you that sharing our settings with everyone doesn't matter cuz each display has a mind of its own. LOL!

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Congrats! Chad B is one of the best isf calibrators in the country! It's funny how far off these displays vary from panel to panel. When he did another B6 a month ago he had their oled light on isf dark at 44 and on yours he has it at 85. Just goes to show you that sharing our settings with everyone doesn't matter cuz each display has a mind of its own. LOL!


You are right yet the shared settings myth continues go figure. I agree Chad is the best will have him out soon for a tuneup


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Now I am really confused.

Dejudder affects every mode and input I use. I have never noticed Deblur do anything.

I do not have a PC connected, but isn't Directv 60 htz? Dejudder has a big effect on directv.

I'll check out the UFOs and see what I see.
I'm not sure about that, it might be different how de-judder and de-blur work with interlaced sources like 1080i. I did only test how it behaves on progressive sources.
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You are right yet the shared settings myth continues go figure. I agree Chad is the best will have him out soon for a tuneup


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you near Columbus? I've been thinking if getting one, doesn't he offer discounts if he can do multiple on a trip?
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you near Columbus? I've been thinking if getting one, doesn't he offer discounts if he can do multiple on a trip?

no Cincinnati , that's for an area that is not in his Normal travel zone.



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I scheduled Chad B to come out next weekend to calibrate my C6.


My TV has a bunch of noise and blotchiness in some really dark scenes, and I'm wondering if a proper calibration will help minimize that and reveal more detail? I've never had a TV calibrated before.
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Should be unable to inbox and test out my B6 later today. Any good HDR demo and HDR v SDR materials I can use to test? Does the set come loaded with demo material?

I have Netflix and Amazon, but no UHD player.
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You are right yet the shared settings myth continues go figure. I agree Chad is the best will have him out soon for a tuneup


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@chunon ......nice! Tell him I (Ronnie) said hi and as soon as I get my Oppo 203 I'll be calling him too. Not only is he awesome at what he does, he's just an all around class act.
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@chunon ......nice! Tell him I (Ronnie) said hi and as soon as I get my Oppo 203 I'll be calling him too. Not only is he awesome at what he does, he's just an all around class act.


okay will do don't have a date for my calibration but yes I agree easygoing happy to answer questions etc good guy


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Should be unable to inbox and test out my B6 later today. Any good HDR demo and HDR v SDR materials I can use to test? Does the set come loaded with demo material?

I have Netflix and Amazon, but no UHD player.
Check out the LG chess demo. You'll have to use a USB stick to get it in HDR though cuz our You Tube app doesn't have HDR.

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Should be unable to inbox and test out my B6 later today. Any good HDR demo and HDR v SDR materials I can use to test? Does the set come loaded with demo material?

I have Netflix and Amazon, but no UHD player.


Even without HDR, the 4k Jazz video and the 4k Chess demo look great on YouTube.


You can use Vudu for Dolby Vision content. One of my favorites based purely on picture quality was Pacific Rim.
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I scheduled Chad B to come out next weekend to calibrate my C6.


My TV has a bunch of noise and blotchiness in some really dark scenes, and I'm wondering if a proper calibration will help minimize that and reveal more detail? I've never had a TV calibrated before.
Oh you're gonna love your C6 so much more after Chad gets done with it. He'll be able to get a lot of that noise out and bring balance to your panel. You'll love the before and after charts he gives you. It's fun to compare your before and after measurements. You'll see how bad off we are by trying to eyeball the settings ourselves.

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Check out the LG chess demo. You'll have to use a USB stick to get it in HDR though cuz our You Tube app doesn't have HDR.
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Even without HDR, the 4k Jazz video and the 4k Chess demo look great on YouTube.
Weird thing is... I think I've watched about every 4K demo ever made and the LG Chess video "doesn't"do it for me. When I want to show of my TV I avoid playing the chess video because the flesh tones of the queen(?) during the opening sequence are not accurate. On close up she's way too pink (i.e. not natural). If someone was demoing that clip for me for me I'd be thinking "Sheesh the color on this set sucks" Yes... I can adjust my set to give her natural looking flesh tones, but then every video or demo I watch after that the colors are way off. And the problem is not my set... I've also watched it on two of my home PC's shes still way too pink. Maybe it was the directors artistic impression and was filmed that way intentionally but it doesn't work for me. That said... the rest of the video looks great.
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Weird thing is... I think I've watched about every 4K demo ever made and the LG Chess video "doesn't"do it for me. When I want to show of my TV I avoid playing the chess video because the flesh tones of the queen(?) during the opening sequence are not accurate. On close up she's way too pink (i.e. not natural). If someone was demoing that clip for me for me I'd be thinking "Sheesh the color on this set sucks" Yes... I can adjust my set to give her natural looking flesh tones, but then every video or demo I watch after that the colors are way off. And the problem is not my set... I've also watched it on two of my home PC's shes still way too pink. Maybe it was the directors artistic impression and was filmed that way intentionally but it doesn't work for me. That said... the rest of the video looks great.
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Oh you're gonna love your C6 so much more after Chad gets done with it. He'll be able to get a lot of that noise out and bring balance to your panel. You'll love the before and after charts he gives you. It's fun to compare your before and after measurements. You'll see how bad off we are by trying to eyeball the settings ourselves.


I dunno most the noise issues are probably source related. My Xbox looks good and clean but Comcast still looks noisy.

He was on his way back from a 3 week trip yesterday I was had last stop lol. I'm sure he's happy to be home finally.


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I dunno most the noise issues are probably source related. My Xbox looks good and clean but Comcast still looks noisy.

He was on his way back from a 3 week trip yesterday I was had last stop lol. I'm sure he's happy to be home finally.


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Yeah very true. When the source is bad there's not much you can do with crappy source material coming from DirecTv or Comcast. But true bluray and video games look amazing. What did he set your Gamma at?

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HU what??
Just saw RTINGS A1E review
And A1E got the same score as LG C6 /B6!!!! What? Am I missing something? haha
With LG C6 scoring 9.3, and A1E 9.0 for movies!! yeah I know the extra 0.3 is 3D Lol
But still, I am pretty shocked.. I expected A1E to score A LOT higher, especially after reading the many many super loving SONY posts on the A1E thread lol
Or is rtings smoking something?... but I always use that site, they always have very accurate info.. so I dont know, I am just in mad confusion $4-5k for what.. I got my LG C6 for $2k!
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HU what??

Just saw RTINGS A1E review

And A1E got the same score as LG C6 /B6!!!! What? Am I missing something? haha

With LG C6 scoring 9.3, and A1E 9.0 for movies!! yeah I know the extra 0.3 is 3D Lol

But still, I am pretty shocked.. I expected A1E to score A LOT higher, especially after reading the many many super loving SONY posts on the A1E thread lol

Or is rtings smoking something?... but I always use that site, they always have very accurate info.. so I dont know, I am just in mad confusion $4-5k for what.. I got my LG C6 for $2k!


I read the review seems pretty accurate, it's does certain things a tad better than the 2016s. 2017 vs it is a toss up imo . A lot of hype over there but in the end it's an lg panel an oled is an oled imo


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Wow, I just compared both set using http://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare
And it seems really real... LG C6 is STILL really a beast! and still at least in the TOP TVs to buy!!
In some categories, LG C6 is even better than A1E
Damn man, I am so glad I bought that TV!!! but I feel bad for overhyped SONY fan boys that bought the A1E! No, lol, it is your money, do whatever you want
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Yeah, the A1E is better in gradient handling and has better motion interpolation processor (Yet, it still failed 24P over 60hz).

Before I found out, Dejudder 2 Deblur 0, I would be excited about better motion, but now, I don't care. Talking about that, I found out yesterday that for 24P over 60hz using a PC, Deblur10 DJ 0 is a better experience, otherwise I get weird stuttering. For TV signal with 24p over 60hz I still prefer DJ2.

My PC signal might be the problem.

Those LG tv really need fine tuning.
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I read the review seems pretty accurate, it's does certain things a tad better than the 2016s. 2017 vs it is a toss up imo . A lot of hype over there but in the end it's an lg panel an oled is an oled imo
Yep... I was thinking the same thing. Sony gets their OLED panels from LG. So, as you said... an OLED is an OLED.
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Damn man, I am so glad I bought that TV!!! but I feel bad for overhyped SONY fan boys that bought the A1E! No, lol, it is your money, do whatever you want
Don't worry, pretty intense denial will help them cope.
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Yeah, the A1E is better in gradient handling and has better motion interpolation processor (Yet, it still failed 24P over 60hz).

Before I found out, Dejudder 2 Deblur 0, I would be excited about better motion, but now, I don't care.
Amen to that Biebs! The motion on our B6's is pretty good now. Especially after all the updates.
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I think what happened is a lot of people thought A1E was much better just because it is SONY
But you can not judge a product only according to the brand, at least not anymore, not these days
We are in an era where competition can really shut you down.. it goes for TVs, mobiles, everything...
Technology evolved so much that each company is really well informed, and more competition is better for us, because it means companies now really push their tools to the limit to give us the best

So what really happened is SONY fan boys got the placebo effect, like I said a long time ago, they were like Ooooh it is SONY Oh God .. but it was more like fairy dust than magic dust.. you dreaming, wake up
But still A1E is a very good product... is it worth it $2k more? Hell no...
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Yep... I was thinking the same thing. Sony gets their OLED panels from LG. So, as you said... an OLED is an OLED.
Video processioning can make a huge difference.......
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Yeah well, this is not what i see in the reviews

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Yeah very true. When the source is bad there's not much you can do with crappy source material coming from DirecTv or Comcast. But true bluray and video games look amazing. What did he set your Gamma at?


2.2 in bright room not sure on dark I think prob the same. My g curve is right on 2.3 all the way across though.

Source is important. Even within the same show. Like on around the horn some of the panelists look washed out with a gamma haze but others are clean with no haze because they are in different studios feeding the video to the show.


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So, in anticipation of receiving my Oppo 203 and starting a good UHD library, I revisited my SDR calibration settings and finally setup an ISF Bright and Dark profile (before I was just using ISF Bright, around 65fL calibrated, even for dark room Blu-ray watching). Using an iD3 and CalMAN. Wouldn't call myself a professional by any means, but having seen Chad calibrate most of my displays in the past and spending the last two years tinkering with CalMAN software...I'm an educated amateur I would say.

One thing I have decided on is to NOT pursue perfect near black detail and went for a straight Gamma value of 2.3 (including for 5 IRE). I am using a Brightness of 52 paired with a luminance of -3 for 5 IRE (I am also using the -20RGB value trick for 2pt Low to prevent elevated blacks that can happen on certain panels). All other IRE values are calibrated for a perfect 2.3 gamma...no unnecessary adjustments in an attempt to reveal more detail. When displaying the custom near black pattern in the dedicated "LG Near Black" thread, value 17 is crushed, 18 is only visible if I sit in the dark for 5 minutes and then put my nose right up to the pattern, 19 is barely visible from my seat (and I mean barely) and 20 and above are all adequately visible in increasing intensity. This is for my ISF Dark profile (40fL calibrated). For the ISF Bright profile (60fL calibrated), 18 is almost visible from my seat and 19 is clearly visible. 17 is still crushed.

Am I crushing the lowest of the low black detail? Yea. But it's 0.5% and below of the video signal. If I really really stressed out about 0.5% imperfections throughout my life, everyday living would be atrocious.

I am also lucky in that my panel is near perfect for uniformity. a 1% IRE full screen slide shows almost no DSE/banding and absolutely no vignetting. I'll take THAT over some minuscule near black detail any day.

To each his own though.

P.S. - In terms of adjusting luminance for better near black detail, 5 IRE is really the only value that will make a huge difference. When looking at a black clipping pattern (such as the custom one in the "Near Black" thread or the standard AVS 709 pattern), each value is roughly 0.5% of the video signal; 17= 0.5%, 18=1% and so on (roughly, someone can correct my rounding errors). So if 5 IRE represents 5% of the video signal, changing its luminance will effect the near black detail/values. But 10% (10 IRE) and above will not. Changing these luminance values will help darker scenes (such as the darkest grays) but not the very darkest/near black values.
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Tiny: 0
Color Temp: W33
Gamma: Medium
I have it like this:

OLED Light: 75
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 51
Sharpness: 12
Color: 50
Tiny: 0
Color Temp: C50
Gamma: Medium
(Up the in game brightness to avoid black crush)
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