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Ultra hd deep color setting

So I've got my Oppo and Lg Oled c6 set up for Dolby vision by running the video hdmi output directly to HDMI 2 on the C6. I've turned on the Ultra HD Deep Color to "on" for my C6 HDMI 2 input. Dolby Vision looks great on Despicable Me 2! My question is can I leave the Deep Color setting "on" all the time or is it going to look bad when I'm watching regular Blu-Rays and DVDs on my OPPO 203? I'd really like not to have to turn the Deep Color on every time I watch a UHD with HDR.
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I've also have my eye on the Oppo UDP-203. Whats crazy are the pricing disparities. Since I got serious and started looking back in February I've seen it priced as low as $499 and as high as $1698. For the most part the units with the higher price tags claim to support all All Zones, all Regions.

Also... I just checked out a leading retail website to see what they currently have it priced at... (approx $600 US) and noticed in the specifications fine print, it states: the UDP-203 does not support video streaming apps like Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu, or YouTube! Is that rumored to be coming via an update?

At one time I had my eye on the LG UP970. They were the first to advertise a 4K Blu ray player with DV capability (via a "future" firmware update). As of today... still no official word from LG on status. In the meantime OPPO rolls out their DV update for the 203. Man... LG really dropped the ball on this one.
Go to the official Oppo website as they have the OPPO UDP-203 $K Ultra HD Player listed for $549.
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So I've got my Oppo and Lg Oled c6 set up for Dolby vision by running the video hdmi output directly to HDMI 2 on the C6. I've turned on the Ultra HD Deep Color to "on" for my C6 HDMI 2 input. Dolby Vision looks great on Despicable Me 2! My question is can I leave the Deep Color setting "on" all the time or is it going to look bad when I'm watching regular Blu-Rays and DVDs on my OPPO 203? I'd really like not to have to turn the Deep Color on every time I watch a UHD with HDR.
I leave Deep Color on all the time for that specific input. Hasn't caused me any problems!

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Do you have a source on this statement? I've only seen a comment by a rep saying that it was possible they would update 2016 models to support additional hdr formats. I've seen no commitment to doing so.

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I have seen this article if that's what Richlife was referring to. http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484051855
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@wxman advised me the other day to make sure you set your oppo 203 to 4:2:2 12 bit instead of 4:4:4 12 bit as 4:4:4 produces banding with UHD movies on our LG OLEDs. This topic was being discussed over in the 2016 LG OLED Motion Settings thread.
I've had my C6 for 2 weeks and just got my Oppo (yay!) and leaving everything on Auto with the DV firmware, I checked a couple of scenes that had early banding issues on my JS9500 (sky scenes in The Martian and smoke in Sicario) and I don't see any banding. Do you know of any movies/scenes to better test for banding?
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... noticed in the specifications fine print, it states: the UDP-203 does not support video streaming apps like Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu, or YouTube! Is that rumored to be coming via an update?

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Time to get serious. Are you buying apps that can show up anywhere or are you buying the best UHD player for the price/features yet available? Yeah, that is an opinion, but it is hardly made in a vacuum. I expect eventually to buy an apps machine and could care less if the 203 has (by that time) outdated apps. (Remember, it's up to the app owner to update -- not OPPO.)

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I have seen this article if that's what Richlife was referring to. http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484051855
Actually, no, that's not the article. But it will serve to support the position that LG will update with HLG firmware. Have faith! This is a cutthroat busines and LG has shown no indication that it has any intention other than winning.
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I've had my C6 for 2 weeks and just got my Oppo (yay!) and leaving everything on Auto with the DV firmware, I checked a couple of scenes that had early banding issues on my JS9500 (sky scenes in The Martian and smoke in Sicario) and I don't see any banding. Do you know of any movies/scenes to better test for banding?
Shoot? I haven't gotten my oppo 203 yet so I haven't been able to test any movies for Banding yet. But I was over in the 2016 LG Motion thread where @wxman was giving me hints for when I get it. But I'm sure everyone will chime in with good movies to see Banding on.
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Time to get serious. Are you buying apps that can show up anywhere or are you buying the best UHD player for the price/features yet available? Yeah, that is an opinion, but it is hardly made in a vacuum. I expect eventually to buy an apps machine and could care less if the 203 has (by that time) outdated apps. (Remember, it's up to the app owner to update -- not OPPO.)
No argument from me. In fact I'm serious enough that I never agreed to the Terms and Conditions for enabling the apps when setting up my B6. No apps running on my B6! Personally I hate Smart TV's. A couple months ago when buying a set for my wifes scrapbook room I was looking for a non-smart TV which was near impossible to find. I intentionally picked one who apps were via an "included bonus" of a ROKU Streaming Stick. I gave the stick to my brother -in-law. (besides my wife would never use it) I guess I was more or less posting the question out of curiosity and for those who may not be aware. I for one am glad the 203 doesn't have those capabilities. My entertainment center includes a Roku Premiere+ and a 4K enabled PC. Between the two they more than satisfy all my streaming needs.
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Well, I thought I was going to buy a 65" Sony 900E. However, with 2017 LG's coming out, it looks like I'll be able to get a 65" B6 for not much more than the 900E. Most of my TV viewing is with low ambient lighting in the room, so, am I correct in thinking that the improvements of the B7 over the B6 would be diminished for my situation? My room has a lot of windows, but the majority of viewing is in the evening. Here is my general viewing selection 60% Directv shows on my DVR (news, HGTV, A&E, etc..), 20% sports on Directv (ESPN, Golf Channel, BTN, etc...) and 20% movies (recently bought the Sony UHD player for my future 4K TV). Would this viewing mix push me to the 900E or the B6?

Regarding DV, obviously the 900E cannot and will not have this option. People's excitement with DV is another reason I'm leaning towards the LG over the Sony. Curious if any reviews have looked at identical material where one showed HDR10 and the other DV on the B6? If it matters, I'll be coming from a 5 year old Panasonic ST plasma.

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I have seen this article if that's what Richlife was referring to. http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484051855
Cool. Hadn't seen that. Hope it's accurate =)

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Are you talking about HDR gaming or SDR games?
Well, I tried HDR on RE7 PC. Some colors and light sources look really good, but some colors, like the dinner table near the beginning is just blown out orange. When I go near it the whole screen looks almost like a glowing orange color. I then tried it with HDR disabled and everything looked really washed out.

I know the newer Nvidia drivers with W10 CU use some sort of WDM 2.2 driver which changes the way HDR behaves. Not sure if this is the cause of any issues.
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Well, I thought I was going to buy a 65" Sony 900E. However, with 2017 LG's coming out, it looks like I'll be able to get a 65" B6 for not much more than the 900E. Most of my TV viewing is with low ambient lighting in the room, so, am I correct in thinking that the improvements of the B7 over the B6 would be diminished for my situation? My room has a lot of windows, but the majority of viewing is in the evening. Here is my general viewing selection 60% Directv shows on my DVR (news, HGTV, A&E, etc..), 20% sports on Directv (ESPN, Golf Channel, BTN, etc...) and 20% movies (recently bought the Sony UHD player for my future 4K TV). Would this viewing mix push me to the 900E or the B6?

Regarding DV, obviously the 900E cannot and will not have this option. People's excitement with DV is another reason I'm leaning towards the LG over the Sony. Curious if any reviews have looked at identical material where one showed HDR10 and the other DV on the B6? If it matters, I'll be coming from a 5 year old Panasonic ST plasma.

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Since the room has low ambient light it will be Perfect for an OLED! And if there are many people watching from multiple positions then there is no question about it, get the OLED! Because when watching from the side ESPECIALLY, any LCD TV will suffer from haloing and light bleed. As for the differences between the 2016 and 2017 OLEDs, check out this video he talks about the improvements, and if you see that they are important to you then get the B7, or C7 which i would suggest they are the same price but the C7 looks better, unless you like a crecsent stand! And if the improvement are not important to you then the B6 will serve you get!
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And just to add, since you're coming from a plasma OLED is the way for you, i don't think you will be satisfied with an LCD
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For those asking about the source video for LG adding Technicolor HDR and HLG HDR to the 2016 oleds via firmware, here is senior product manager Robert Taylor interviewed at CES 2017. Good interview w/ lots of info. Look to the 8:28 minute mark where he is asked about 2016 HDR support. Like all things LG, I will believe it when I see it..

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For those asking about the source video for LG adding Technicolor HDR and HLG HDR to the 2016 oleds via firmware, here is senior product manager Robert Taylor interviewed at CES 2017. Good interview w/ lots of info. Look to the 8:28 minute mark where he is asked about 2016 HDR support. Like all things LG, I will believe it when I see it..
I tend to think the same but seeing how LG has taken care of its customers, I believe that they are much more likely to do it than other manufacturers.

It was interesting to see how Robert answered the question about why should someone buy an LG over the competition. Guess he couldn't just say we're cheaper. lol
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Well, I tried HDR on RE7 PC. Some colors and light sources look really good, but some colors, like the dinner table near the beginning is just blown out orange. When I go near it the whole screen looks almost like a glowing orange color. I then tried it with HDR disabled and everything looked really washed out.

I know the newer Nvidia drivers with W10 CU use some sort of WDM 2.2 driver which changes the way HDR behaves. Not sure if this is the cause of any issues.
You should first try to set SDR gaming.

Disable HDR in Windows display setting.

Use RGB full in Nvidia setting.

Set the TV black level to high in the advanced picture options.

Now the last step, increase the TV brightness until the black are no longer crush, use something like 52-54

HDR is another matter and is broken, you should go on some gaming forum for tweak because it's windows related and not TV related.
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I'm receiving new c6 65" soon. What are the common problems with these panels to check?
I would check for vignetting and reverse vignetting (lighter rather than darker), vertical bands and stuck on pixels.
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I'm still a bit amazed as to how my 65B6 seems to soak up the ambient light in a fairly well lit room.

Black on the picture on the screen is literally darker than my black speakers and other electronics that are on either side of it.
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Cool. Hadn't seen that. Hope it's accurate =)
For an example of how accurate LG predictions are: There was a press release on LG's web site around 2 years ago saying that all the 2016 OLED sets would get youtube HDR support by the end of 2016. As far as I know all that has happened is that the press release is either gone or buried so well that I can't find it any longer :-).
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Anyone else not seeing the UltraHD category on the built in netflix app? It used to be there...
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Anyone else not seeing the UltraHD category on the built in netflix app? It used to be there...
I don't use the LG built in apps... but just signed on to my Netflix account via a PC and they're available.



If you haven't already done so... (and it's accessible via the built in app version of Netflix)... try entering UltraHD in the Search Bar.
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You should first try to set SDR gaming.

Disable HDR in Windows display setting.

Use RGB full in Nvidia setting.

Set the TV black level to high in the advanced picture options.

Now the last step, increase the TV brightness until the black are no longer crush, use something like 52-54

HDR is another matter and is broken, you should go on some gaming forum for tweak because it's windows related and not TV related.
Hey I disabled W10 CU HDR.
Used RGB Full in NVCP and set Black level High in TV. This does not cause crushed blacks so I did not need to goto your last step.
It is only when I set Black level low do I get the crushed blacks or if I use RGB Limited.

I have tried 100s of different combinations and I just cannot figure out which is the best.
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Got some amazing news today, basically what it comes down to is, i could buy that 65 inch B6 OLED this week or next week. It will cost me 2699 (delivered to my home) . It's a godawful lot of money and i've never spent it on a TV before but man........

This would mean not only a huge upgrade going from 1080p OLED to 4K/HDR but also from 55 inch to 65 inch. I wasn't gonna go for the 55 inch B6 anymore, so it would be the C7 if i'd go 55 inch in that case. That one would set me back 2050-2100 euros. Price difference of 599. I should go for big, right?
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Got some amazing news today, basically what it comes down to is, i could buy that 65 inch B6 OLED this week or next week. It will cost me 2699 (delivered to my home) . It's a godawful lot of money and i've never spent it on a TV before but man........

This would mean not only a huge upgrade going from 1080p OLED to 4K/HDR but also from 55 inch to 65 inch. I wasn't gonna go for the 55 inch B6 anymore, so it would be the C7 if i'd go 55 inch in that case. That one would set me back 2050-2100 euros. Price difference of 599. I should go for big, right?
Should be able to get it for much less $1800 ish range with PP from a Cc

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Not sure what you mean here?

At all other stores here the TV is about 3169 euros.

I live in Holland by the way. You have to be lucky here with really good prices.

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Hey I disabled W10 CU HDR.
Used RGB Full in NVCP and set Black level High in TV. This does not cause crushed blacks so I did not need to goto your last step.
It is only when I set Black level low do I get the crushed blacks or if I use RGB Limited.

I have tried 100s of different combinations and I just cannot figure out which is the best.
Good, your second step now is to set Video player black level.

If you want to have the best setting when using let say Kodi or MPCHD, you will need a second profile for the TV.

For exemple when gaming, I use game mode and when watching video, I use ISF dark.

What you will want to do is go in Nvidia video colors setting and in the advanced tab select dynamic range to limited.

Now in the ISF dark mode, use black level low. Increase brightness level if necessary. Set the contrast at a maximum of 85.

What this will do is make sure that you'll be able to display whiter than white video when using native video player. IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR BROWSER VIDEO HOWEVER.
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What you will want to do is go in Nvidia video colors setting and in the advanced tab select dynamic range to limited.

Now in the ISF dark mode, use black level low.

Why not keep dynamic range to full and use auto/high level black level? The player will "upscale" the video from limited to full.
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Since the room has low ambient light it will be Perfect for an OLED! And if there are many people watching from multiple positions then there is no question about it, get the OLED! Because when watching from the side ESPECIALLY, any LCD TV will suffer from haloing and light bleed. As for the differences between the 2016 and 2017 OLEDs, check out this video he talks about the improvements, and if you see that they are important to you then get the B7, or C7 which i would suggest they are the same price but the C7 looks better, unless you like a crecsent stand! And if the improvement are not important to you then the B6 will serve you get!
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Yes, the 65" LG B6/B7 would be perfect for your conditions, Quattro. My situation and viewing is almost exactly the same. I couldn't be happier. If there is only a minor (few hundred) cost difference, go with the B7. Otherwise, my B6 would meet all your requirements. Keep in mind that the B7 will get firmware updates for about a year longer than the B6 (a factor that most don't consider).

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Got some amazing news today, basically what it comes down to is, i could buy that 65 inch B6 OLED this week or next week. It will cost me 2699 (delivered to my home) . It's a godawful lot of money and i've never spent it on a TV before but man........

This would mean not only a huge upgrade going from 1080p OLED to 4K/HDR but also from 55 inch to 65 inch. I wasn't gonna go for the 55 inch B6 anymore, so it would be the C7 if i'd go 55 inch in that case. That one would set me back 2050-2100 euros. Price difference of 599. I should go for big, right?
Yes, go big if it's feasible for you. I did exactly that and frankly the 65" seems even bigger after 4 months of use. Great decision!

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Why not keep dynamic range to full and use auto/high level black level? The player will "upscale" the video from limited to full.
The only way to get whiter than white is to use Limited for the video, full for the overall GPU output and limited for the TV

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Problem with that is that you have to adjust all the time the black level setting ...

But wouldn't the player take care of conversing "whiter than white" from limited to full? Or that info would be lost/clipped? And does it matter if it's lost/clipped? According to your list:

"Full,Full,Full -- Both Desktop & Video Content will look correct but video content is also scaled during the Y'CbCr --> RGB color space transformation. BtB & WtW are clipped so calibration will be more difficult".

Whiter than white are anyway treated as pure white (235).

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