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Just got an open box 65" B6 from my local Micro Center paid $1,599 plus tax for it. Everything looks flawless but I'm seriously underwhelmed, I took down my 70" Vizio M for it and it appears that I like quantity over quality. It might be that I can't get used to the black crushing, I watch a lot of 1080p rips on a HTPC from my NAS and most people's hair just look like a black abyss I sit about 12' from the TV. Any setting I can tweak to avoid this? Btw HDR from my pc on windows 10 sucks I can't get it to output ycbr444 while in HDR the text looks horrible. Thanks all.

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That's totally unacceptable. Good thing you were able to return it. If they gave it me for free, I'd keep it, but I wouldn't pay money for that
Is there a life span on the OLEDs? I think I read somewhere that it is 100,000 hours for the LG 2016 OLED models..

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Is there a life span on the OLEDs? I think I read somewhere that it is 100,000 hours for the LG 2016 OLED models..

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I think I read that, too. If true, you could run the thing 24/7 for many years. That's a bit different from burn-in, though. We know for sure that these TVs can indeed get permanent burn-in (as shown by BB floor models), but in real life, few people have reported it.
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Just got an open box 65" B6 from my local Micro Center paid $1,599 plus tax for it. Everything looks flawless but I'm seriously underwhelmed, I took down my 70" Vizio M for it and it appears that I like quantity over quality. It might be that I can't get used to the black crushing, I watch a lot of 1080p rips on a HTPC from my NAS and most people's hair just look like a black abyss I sit about 12' from the TV. Any setting I can tweak to avoid this? Btw HDR from my pc on windows 10 sucks I can't get it to output ycbr444 while in HDR the text looks horrible. Thanks all.
@chichorico Read up on this thread as it helps with near black shadow details.
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Just got an open box 65" B6 from my local Micro Center paid $1,599 plus tax for it. Everything looks flawless but I'm seriously underwhelmed, I took down my 70" Vizio M for it and it appears that I like quantity over quality. It might be that I can't get used to the black crushing, I watch a lot of 1080p rips on a HTPC from my NAS and most people's hair just look like a black abyss I sit about 12' from the TV. Any setting I can tweak to avoid this? Btw HDR from my pc on windows 10 sucks I can't get it to output ycbr444 while in HDR the text looks horrible. Thanks all.
Coming from a Elite Plasma i was feeling the same way but after i tried the settings in that thread on how to enhance black detail i am very happy with the set. Its not as good as the Kuro was but its very close now.
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HLG I know it stands for Hybrid Log Gamma but when & where does it's uses come into play?
It's a different form of HDR, I believe the intention is to use it with HDR on live TV as it is backwards compatible with SDR, but youtube also uses it (although you need VP9 Profile 2 decoding to do that)
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This 05.30.02 FW dims the screen in HDR Game mode like people reported on other models. Its strange as the GUI is still full brightness but the input seems about half as bright. It did fix the slow HDR/SDR transition but I may be going back to 04.31.00 because of the dim HDR Game mode.
I'm curious, since the peak brightness still appear the same, it it perhaps clipping at a higher nit level, and therefore giving you more detail in higher nits? Or maybe is it changing the tone mapping? Maybe this is their solution to make HDR better presentation than it was compared to DV?

Can anybody test this? I've disabled automatic updates for now to avoid a dimmer HDR game mode, but if this is what they're doing it might be interesting to check out. I can always play HDR games in a dark room which can counterbalance the dimmer look as long as it's displayed properly, and especially if higher nit detail is displayed better with this.

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It's a different form of HDR, I believe the intention is to use it with HDR on live TV as it is backwards compatible with SDR, but youtube also uses it (although you need VP9 Profile 2 decoding to do that)

I'm curious, since the peak brightness still appear the same, it it perhaps clipping at a higher nit level, and therefore giving you more detail in higher nits? Or maybe is it changing the tone mapping? Maybe this is their solution to make HDR better presentation than it was compared to DV?

Can anybody test this? I've disabled automatic updates for now to avoid a dimmer HDR game mode, but if this is what they're doing it might be interesting to check out. I can always play HDR games in a dark room which can counterbalance the dimmer look as long as it's displayed properly, and especially if higher nit detail is displayed better with this.

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Only the TV's GUI is normal brightness. Everything through the input was super dim. I was testing on Forza Horizon 3 during a sunny day setting and it looked like a day for night scene of the 70s. There might have been slightly more detail in the highlights but if that was the intention, they severely blew it since it was still so dim. I think they dimmed the mode to prevent game UI elements from burning in.

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Only the TV's GUI is normal brightness. Everything through the input was super dim. I was testing on Forza Horizon 3 during a sunny day setting and it looked like a day for night scene of the 70s. There might have been slightly more detail in the highlights but if that was the intention, they severely blew it since it was still so dim. I think they dimmed the mode to prevent game UI elements from burning in.
That's possible. Can you test it on high nit non-game content, such as a Sony 4K Blu-ray test pattern, which goes up to 10,000nits? Type 7669 on the menu of any Sony 4K Blu-ray to get to those patterns.

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That's possible. Can you test it on high nit non-game content, such as a Sony 4K Blu-ray test pattern, which goes up to 10,000nits? Type 7669 on the menu of any Sony 4K Blu-ray to get to those patterns.
I've already reverted back to 04.31.00. Maybe @3DBuff can try.
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If I got a smoking deal and could not see the burn in during normal content I would keep it......
I totally agree. When I bought the panel I had no concerns whatsoever with burn-in. But while watching scenes containing mostly "red-ish" backgrounds, desert scenes, the French Open clay court, etc, I noticed a very distinct dark floating "orb" that turned out to be the burned in LG logo. I could also see it on close-ups of Caucasian faces. This latter affected the majority of content, newscasts, talk shows, etc, etc.

If it would not have been noticeable in normal content I definitely would have kept it. As it turned out, I was able to return it for a full refund and bought a new 65C7 from Cleveland Plasma for a great price and the panel is pristine!
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Oh well, The LG OLED (2017) won the CE shootout again beating every LCD TV even in HDR Bright room.

I Love OLED.

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I had the same issue - once I turned of quick start (or is it called fast start?) it not only refreshed when after shutting down the TV it also started refreshing while using the TV by exiting and reentering the folder.
Quick Start seems to keep the app running in some kind of sleep mode and at some point the app no longer refreshes...
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Those people prefer PQ over bright highlights. Good for them. For me, what sets HDR apart from SDR is the biggest difference between the brightest highlight, and the median brightness of the subject on screen. That for me is the pop effect of HDR, and having a display capable of consistently very bright highlights with good black levels is going to make good HDR stand out much more for me than having okay highlights and great black levels. For SDR, 3D, HDR games, and some darker HDR movies, I prefer OLED. For most HDR movies/tv however, I prefer my LED.

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For gaming daily in true 4K on PC, I have to say i like the PS4 pro technique.

The image was much softer than true 4k and the details were a bit blurry, but it looked good. At least for Horizon zero.

For Tomb raider, it was disgusting. It looked like a 1440P game without any anti-aliasing. It was really really bad.

So i guess it's game dependent. Just don't expect the same sharpness of true 4k.
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Dang!

You're still waiting for the patch?

Really!

It's not even available on their website for a USB update?

Good Lord LG, you suck.
this one is the last on their website

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The issue with Tomb Raider is a poor AA technique. In terms of detail it looked every bit as sharp as native 4K on PS4 Pro, it just had terrible AA which can have the side effect of making something look lower resolution than it actually is. On tomb raider it was particularly bad in the trees. Games like Horizon ZD, Ratchet and Clank, and the upcoming Spider-man really show off the PS4 Pro's 4K capabilities.

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Under Expert Settings, make sure you have Color Gamut set to "Normal" It often defaults to Wide for HDR which is incorrect. If set to Wide, it'll oversaturate colors as you have noticed. The TV automatically sets the color gamut depending on the content. That setting is somewhat redundant I believe for normal viewing situations. Color Gamut should always be set to "normal."
That did the trick! Now shows in HDR look great! Thank you very much! I have to say I am LOVING this TV!. If after a year of use it continues to really impress, then I'm setting my sights at getting a 77" for the main HT room.
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The issue with Tomb Raider is a poor AA technique. In terms of detail it looked every bit as sharp as native 4K on PS4 Pro, it just had terrible AA which can have the side effect of making something look lower resolution than it actually is. On tomb raider it was particularly bad in the trees. Games like Horizon ZD, Ratchet and Clank, and the upcoming Spider-man really show off the PS4 Pro's 4K capabilities.

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Ratchet & clank is fun, looks really good in my oppinion. Though it's for children mostly i think but still fun to play.
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xbox one x true 4k

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one-x?xr=shellnav

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xbox 1 x won't be true 4k in most games, they use checkerboard rendering like ps 4 pro does. True 4k in some titles though. Too bad xbox 1 x doesn't seem to support dolby vision blu-rays, might have to get it if it would. 500 for uhd player + console it not that bad.

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Ratchet & clank is fun, looks really good in my oppinion. Though it's for children mostly i think but still fun to play.
A good platformer is fun for all. While it may be family friendly most of the people I know who played the game are adults who grew up with the series. There's plenty in there for adults to enjoy, and the 4K HDR is beautiful in the game.

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Under Expert Settings, make sure you have Color Gamut set to "Normal" It often defaults to Wide for HDR which is incorrect. If set to Wide, it'll oversaturate colors as you have noticed. The TV automatically sets the color gamut depending on the content. That setting is somewhat redundant I believe for normal viewing situations. Color Gamut should always be set to "normal."
Seems you can't change color gamut in dobly vision hdr mode though, i did change it in hdr game mode settings.
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Seems you can't change color gamut in dobly vision hdr mode though, i did change it in hdr game mode settings.
Yes, DolblyVision sets that automatically, but that Color Gamut setting is not really doing anything. I guess DV is just making sure that you don't mess with it. It's really kind of weird that that setting is adjustable in the first place. Anyway, the TV automatically sets the color gamut correctly. No need to force it with that setting.

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Maybe it was repaired? What FW version does it have? Not all FWs get pushed through OTA.
So, I checked the TV information on 2 tvs to compare:

OLED#1
Settings>General>About this TV>TV Information:

It says:
Model: OLED55C6P-U
Serial: ******* (matches exactly to the sticker on the back of the tv)
Total Power on time: 5399 hours


OLED#2
Settings>General>About this TV>TV Information:

It says:
Model: KEY0000043F
Serial: ******** (completely different from the sticker on the back)
Total Power on Time: 3 hours


Both OLEDs firmwares shows 4.30.95

So, is it possible that this 2nd oled was repaired? (there is no option to edit the model number or serial number, and it is very strange that the model does not say OLEDC6P-U and that the serial nu,ber is completely different from the sticker on the back? anyone else have something different showing on model # and serial #?

think I should return this one since it seems strange? PQ is amazing on both btw.. (no burn in, no issues at all)

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So, is it possible that this 2nd oled was repaired? (there is no option to edit the model number or serial number, and it is very strange that the model does not say OLEDC6P-U and that the serial nu,ber is completely different from the sticker on the back? anyone else have something different showing on model # and serial #?

think I should return this one since it seems strange? PQ is amazing on both btw.. (no burn in, no issues at all)

Thanks!
If no issues, then I wouldn't mess with it. If it ain't broke...
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one-x?xr=shellnav

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Xbox still does not have any impressive games on the horizon that makes me want to buy the new system. I don't care how powerful your system is, if you don't have good games then I don't want it. I'm not the only one here that feels this way. Most people at E3 were not impressed with Microsoft's upcoming game line up.

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So, I checked the TV information on 2 tvs to compare:

OLED#1
Settings>General>About this TV>TV Information:

It says:
Model: OLED55C6P-U
Serial: ******* (matches exactly to the sticker on the back of the tv)
Total Power on time: 5399 hours


OLED#2
Settings>General>About this TV>TV Information:

It says:
Model: KEY0000043F
Serial: ******** (completely different from the sticker on the back)
Total Power on Time: 3 hours


Both OLEDs firmwares shows 4.30.95

So, is it possible that this 2nd oled was repaired? (there is no option to edit the model number or serial number, and it is very strange that the model does not say OLEDC6P-U and that the serial nu,ber is completely different from the sticker on the back? anyone else have something different showing on model # and serial #?

think I should return this one since it seems strange? PQ is amazing on both btw.. (no burn in, no issues at all)

Thanks!
The first oled has a lot of miles. At 5400 hours you might have the most used OLED on the forum. I just broke 1000 after owning the TV 6 months and I think mine is on alot.

Since the 2nd TV only shows 3 hours, it's definitely been repaired. Maybe a whole new panel or at least a new control board.

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The first oled has a lot of miles. At 5400 hours you might have the most used OLED on the forum. I just broke 1000 after owning the TV 6 months and I think mine is on alot.

Since the 2nd TV only shows 3 hours, it's definitely been repaired. Maybe a whole new panel or at least a new control board.
I just got off the phone with LG support. They asked for all three serial numbers and verified that:

OLED#1 (purchased June 7.2017)= never been registered. (LG Sticker says April 2016 on the back for manufacture date) - The 5399 hours indicates store shelf display. (I looked on the back of the tv and it has a "shelf display" red tag on it)
OLED #3 (purchased July 6,2017)= never been registered. (LG Sticker says May 2016 on the back for manufacture date) - The 4597 hours indicates store shelf display. (I looked on the back of the tv and it has a "shelf display" red tag on it too)

OLED#2 (purchased June 28th, 2017)= this is the one with 3 hours and the serial numbers and model did not match (LG sticker vs. "about this tv" in menu)... (LG sticker says July 2016 for manufacture date)

They typed in this serial number and found:<BEST BUY REPAIR - June 16,2017 - replaced MAIN CONTROL BOARD and RESET TV.INITIALIZED>

That explains everything!


The tech said the new main control board makes it good as new though? Would you keep it?

Yes, the OLED have alot of miles, but, the pQ looks amazing and getting each for 1k is a pretty good deal. I think when these were first released they were $2999.99, so my thinking was 3 for the price of 1.

Still on the fence about this 2nd one though.. Maybe I will just keep 2 of them and give back the repaired/refurbished one.. Thoughts?

Thanks!

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Yes it look like a nice PC replacement for initial low investment.
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I just got off the phone with LG support. They asked for all three serial numbers and verified that:

OLED#1 (purchased June 7.2017)= never been registered. (LG Sticker says April 2016 on the back for manufacture date) - The 5399 hours indicates store shelf display. (I looked on the back of the tv and it has a "shelf display" red tag on it)
OLED #3 (purchased July 6,2017)= never been registered. (LG Sticker says May 2016 on the back for manufacture date) - The 4597 hours indicates store shelf display. (I looked on the back of the tv and it has a "shelf display" red tag on it too)

OLED#2 (purchased June 28th, 2017)= this is the one with 3 hours and the serial numbers and model did not match (LG sticker vs. "about this tv" in menu)... (LG sticker says July 2016 for manufacture date)

They typed in this serial number and found:<BEST BUY REPAIR - June 16,2017 - replaced MAIN CONTROL BOARD and RESET TV.INITIALIZED>

That explains everything!


The tech said the new main control board makes it good as new though? Would you keep it?

Yes, the OLED have alot of miles, but, the pQ looks amazing and getting each for 1k is a pretty good deal. I think when these were first released they were $2999.99, so my thinking was 3 for the price of 1.

Still on the fence about this 2nd one though.. Maybe I will just keep 2 of them and give back the repaired/refurbished one.. Thoughts?

Thanks!
Since OLED #2 looks great after the main control board replacement I would keep it. I had to replace the main A board on my VT30 when I first got it and it's still amazing today. No worries......if you like it keep it.

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