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Keep dreaming. Ask Dnice. I don't view 4K so the KRP 500M would be my top pick.

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Well that's taking it a bit too far. I think the B6 OLED is maybe 5% better than a Kuro and the 7 series OLED (Sony A1 included) are like 10% better than that.
Not a chance. Plus they cost 5 times what i could buy a used 500M for and i have no need for 4k. So no reason for me to go OLED over a Kuro.

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Has there been a solution to the handshake issues with the PS4 Pro and the C6?

I have attempted to use three HDMI cables (Sony included PS4 cable 6ft, Amazon Basics 10ft, and Monoprice Certified 10ft) and have tried two different HDMI ports on the TV. I am still getting the handshake issue often enough to frustrate me. Has anyone found a remedy so I no longer have to deal with this? I know it's something wrong on Sony's end as it seems many people are experiencing this with multiple TVs, but is there any fix?

It usually only happens when either turning on the PS4 or exiting an HDR game. The screen goes black and then every few seconds will either flash a static signal or green screen. Unplugging and replugging the HDMI cable fixes the issue, as does turning off/on the TV. Very frustrating.

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Has there been a solution to the handshake issues with the PS4 Pro and the C6?

I have attempted to use three HDMI cables (Sony included PS4 cable 6ft, Amazon Basics 10ft, and Monoprice Certified 10ft) and have tried two different HDMI ports on the TV. I am still getting the handshake issue often enough to frustrate me. Has anyone found a remedy so I no longer have to deal with this? I know it's something wrong on Sony's end as it seems many people are experiencing this with multiple TVs, but is there any fix?

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I will look around for you. I have the PS4 pro but haven't had any issues with handshake

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I will look around for you. I have the PS4 pro but haven't had any issues with handshake

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Thanks. What HDMI cable and length are you using? Although at this rate I'm highly doubting it's actually the cable, even though some people say that's what's causing the issue.
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I would note never hurts to try it both ways but odds are the TV will do a better job
Gonna try it out both ways and see which looks better.
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Thanks. What HDMI cable and length are you using? Although at this rate I'm highly doubting it's actually the cable, even though some people say that's what's causing the issue.
I'm using a belkin 6ft cable

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That's not a certified premium cable, so it's not tested to work with high bandwidth signals under any condition like those are, so I would recommend getting a certified premium cable if you're having handshake issues. Look for any cable that comes with this QR code from HDMI.org:



Monoprice sells a pretty cheap certified cable that most people have had great success using.
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@JimP

With the new white point, what Tint setting are you using?

I had settled on G2 via measurements mainly because I didn't want to go back and touch up the WB (anything over G2 started affecting the WB). But watching real content today, I paused on a face and found G10 really strikes a great skin tone balance. Will break out my meter and do a bunch of touch ups later this week so I'll see how it measures.

Just curious what you found.

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That's not a certified premium cable, so it's not tested to work with high bandwidth signals under any condition like those are, so I would recommend getting a certified premium cable if you're having handshake issues. Look for any cable that comes with this QR code from HDMI.org:



Monoprice sells a pretty cheap certified cable that most people have had great success using.
These were out before they had certification I believe. I have had these cables for a while & for me they have worked great. No issues on any of the components I have used them on over the years.

For anyone looking for new cables, certified may be the way to go. I'm fine with these till they need to be replaced.



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I find the upscaler on these TVs to be pretty weak compared to others I've seen, especially compared to my Sony, so unless the player's upscaling is trash, I have a feeling it's better than the TV's in this case.

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The upscaling the TV does with streamed 1080p content looks amazing! So I know the TV's upscaling engine is definitely really good. Sony holds the crown for best picture processing technology, but for what the LG can do it looks really good.

As for what will look better for standard Blu-ray's, I'm going to try the Sony X800 upscaler and the LG C6P upscaler. If the Sony does a better job I'll use that, if they both look the same then I can use either one.

My current 84" LG 4K TV does an amazing job upscaling 1080p Blu-ray's! I compared its upscaling to that of my Oppo BDP-103, and they were tied for PQ. But my 84" LG was the company's flagship 5 years ago, so they used the best upscaler they had. I wonder how good the upscaler is in LG's flagship 77" model?
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These were out before they had certification I believe. I have had these cables for a while & for me they have worked great. No issues on any of the components I have used them on over the years.

For anyone looking for new cables, certified may be the way to go. I'm fine with these till they need to be replaced.



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I agree. I have the same and I get 4K and HDR. You do NOT need "certified" HDMI cables to receive 4K/HDR. That's marketing BS. Hi Speed cables will work fine. If there is an issue then we can troubleshoot it.

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That's not a certified premium cable, so it's not tested to work with high bandwidth signals under any condition like those are, so I would recommend getting a certified premium cable if you're having handshake issues. Look for any cable that comes with this QR code from HDMI.org:



Monoprice sells a pretty cheap certified cable that most people have had great success using.
I'm using a Monoprice certified 10ft cable with my Pro and I have constant handshake issues as referenced in my above post.
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I agree. I have the same and I get 4K and HDR. You do NOT need "certified" HDMI cables to receive 4K/HDR. That's marketing BS. Hi Speed cables will work fine. If there is an issue then we can troubleshoot it.

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It's not marketing BS. And this is coming from someone who believes audio and video cables are snake oil. High Speed cables *can* carry the full 18Gbps speed necessary for full capacity 4k/HDR (4:4:4, 12 bits).

Where Certified Premium cables exist now is that they are tested and verified to always carry the full 18Gbps. They don't do anything special to the picture or any of that BS. They are merely verified to be of adequate specs and manufacturing tolerances to be reliable under the most demanding conditions now found with UHD players and HDR computer gamers.

If your High speed cables already work, perfect. But if buying new cables, I'd only get certified ones to avoid unnecessary troubleshooting. The Oppo 203 thread is full of handshake issues fixed with swapping cables.

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These were out before they had certification I believe. I have had these cables for a while & for me they have worked great. No issues on any of the components I have used them on over the years.

For anyone looking for new cables, certified may be the way to go. I'm fine with these till they need to be replaced.



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@JimP

With the new white point, what Tint setting are you using?

I had settled on G2 via measurements mainly because I didn't want to go back and touch up the WB (anything over G2 started affecting the WB). But watching real content today, I paused on a face and found G10 really strikes a great skin tone balance. Will break out my meter and do a bunch of touch ups later this week so I'll see how it measures.

Just curious what you found.

Thanks!

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Tint shouldn't affect grayscale...is my understanding. Are you finding that it does?

I think Chad suggested tint setting of 2 green which I misread and used 3 green which looks well enough.
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Tint shouldn't affect grayscale...is my understanding. Are you finding that it does?

I think Chad suggested tint setting of 2 green which I misread and used 3 green which looks well enough.
It affected the 100% white point at least, that's what I noticed when running Chad's skin tone workflow. Any higher then G2 started to raise the dE of the 100% white point but only negligible (from 0.2 to 0.6). It was already 11pm last night when I got to the skin portion so I didn't go back to verify how much it might have offset grayscale.

I've now bumped it down to G8. When I break my meter out at the end of the week I'll let you know what I find. But I'll reiterate, having this new white point changes the game in my eyes. Loving it.

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I used Chad's sliding gamma of 2.35 with black level set to 0.001 (comes out to an average gamma of 2.32)

For near black, I chose not to even mess around with anything extra. Just turned down the 2pt Low controls to get rid of the raised black floor with Brightness 50 and went about calibrating like usual. 17 is crushed but 18 and up are good to go. Plus this is the best my grayscale ramp has ever looked. Comparing to my past calibration of D65, it's so much "cleaner" and punchy.

I didn't use D-Nice's tip of 50% windows for my ISF Dark profile, though. Might try that next time. Wasted half my day trying to get my meter profiled just right and playing around with the black floor before I even started calibrating.

All I did for color was change tint to G2 and Color to 48. I started using the CMS controls but found my ocd getting carried away so reset them and decided to just leave them alone. Skin tones are under max DeltaE of 3.0 (average of 1.7) but wish I could get them a tad lower. Raising tint higher, like G8 or more, helps a lot with skin measurements but then pushes actual color errors higher, so there's a definite trade off.

I did confirm, as Chad has said, you can use patterns up to 25% with no difference or ABL.

Oh and I used Color Temp Warm 1 instead of Warm 2 as a starting point.

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So last weekend i finally was able to try out the HDR Game mode because my friend brought his PS4 Pro and Xbox One with him. Well to make a long story short i sure hope LG is working on fixing the HDR game mode because on my 65B6 it's WAY too dim/dark. Compared to the other HDR modes it's ridiculously dark and that's with contrast and oled light at max. For a racing game it's no problem to just any of the other HDR modes, but for a shooter that requires a low input lag that HDR game mode does it sucks, it sucks a lot.

Now from another forum i got the advice to crank up the game brightness and this sure helps but some games don't even offer a brightness slider in which case you are pretty much ****ed. Fallout 4 is an example of that. Not happy about this at all.
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So last weekend i finally was able to try out the HDR Game mode because my friend brought his PS4 Pro and Xbox One with him. Well to make a long story short i sure hope LG is working on fixing the HDR game mode because on my 65B6 it's WAY too dim/dark. Compared to the other HDR modes it's ridiculously dark and that's with contrast and oled light at max. For a racing game it's no problem to just any of the other HDR modes, but for a shooter that requires a low input lag that HDR game mode does it sucks, it sucks a lot.

Now from another forum i got the advice to crank up the game brightness and this sure helps but some games don't even offer a brightness slider in which case you are pretty much ****ed. Fallout 4 is an example of that. Not happy about this at all.
The dim screen is caused by the newest firmware update. If you look through the thread, you will see we have been discussing this and have made LG aware of the issue.

Also most if not all Hdr games have their own HDR settings to adjust. Though right now with the firmware issue, that really doesn't do much at the moment

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They're working on fixing it.

I'm curious about something though, is it just darker or is it also more washed out? Like, for example, since this is an OLED, if the screen is simply darker, then theoretically if you block out all other light in the room (easier at night) then your eyes should adjust to the darker image, and it should look the same, maybe even better if there's expanded highlights as others have said.

However, if it's darker due to a change in the transfer function / gamma / tone mapping / etc, then the image will still look washed out even after your eyes adjust in a dark viewing environment.

I'm curious about the experiences of people who have the new update. Play for a while in total darkness and let your eyes adjust to the dimmer image (maybe play for 20 minutes or so). Once your eyes adjust, does the image look as dynamic as it used to, or does it still look wrong? I'm curious if it's only that the image is dimmer, or if something else is going on. Unfortunately nobody has apparently done any proper measurements in this new mode yet, so I still have no idea what's actually going on aside from the fact that it's dimmer.

Another possibility I was wondering about is if the problem is that it isn't reading the metadata properly. I had a similar issue on my Sony a couple times, and when that happens it looks like pretty washed out SDR instead of HDR.

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The dim screen is caused by the newest firmware update. If you look through the thread, you will see we have been discussing this and have made LG aware of the issue.

Also most if not all Hdr games have their own HDR settings to adjust. Though right now with the firmware issue, that really doesn't do much at the moment

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They're working on fixing it.

I'm curious about something though, is it just darker or is it also more washed out? Like, for example, since this is an OLED, if the screen is simply darker, then theoretically if you block out all other light in the room (easier at night) then your eyes should adjust to the darker image, and it should look the same, maybe even better if there's expanded highlights as others have said.

However, if it's darker due to a change in the transfer function / gamma / tone mapping / etc, then the image will still look washed out even after your eyes adjust in a dark viewing environment.

I'm curious about the experiences of people who have the new update. Play for a while in total darkness and let your eyes adjust to the dimmer image (maybe play for 20 minutes or so). Once your eyes adjust, does the image look as dynamic as it used to, or does it still look wrong? I'm curious if it's only that the image is dimmer, or if something else is going on. Unfortunately nobody has apparently done any proper measurements in this new mode yet, so I still have no idea what's actually going on aside from the fact that it's dimmer.

Another possibility I was wondering about is if the problem is that it isn't reading the metadata properly. I had a similar issue on my Sony a couple times, and when that happens it looks like pretty washed out SDR instead of HDR.

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Thanks guys, i had no idea because on another forum they said LG actually recently added that dark HDR game mode to 2017 sets as well and that makes it it seem like LG doesn't recognize it as a fault/error. So they actually do? That is great news. Do you have a link/source for that? I'll give that to B6 owners on other forums then.

I wish i could answer your other questions but my friend is already back home again and i don't have a console that supports HDR here. I only have the normal Xbox One. To me it mostly looked way darker/dim. Gears 4 looked horrible with that while it looked great with HDR Bright or vivid.

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They're working on fixing it.

I'm curious about something though, is it just darker or is it also more washed out? Like, for example, since this is an OLED, if the screen is simply darker, then theoretically if you block out all other light in the room (easier at night) then your eyes should adjust to the darker image, and it should look the same, maybe even better if there's expanded highlights as others have said.

However, if it's darker due to a change in the transfer function / gamma / tone mapping / etc, then the image will still look washed out even after your eyes adjust in a dark viewing environment.

I'm curious about the experiences of people who have the new update. Play for a while in total darkness and let your eyes adjust to the dimmer image (maybe play for 20 minutes or so). Once your eyes adjust, does the image look as dynamic as it used to, or does it still look wrong? I'm curious if it's only that the image is dimmer, or if something else is going on. Unfortunately nobody has apparently done any proper measurements in this new mode yet, so I still have no idea what's actually going on aside from the fact that it's dimmer.

Another possibility I was wondering about is if the problem is that it isn't reading the metadata properly. I had a similar issue on my Sony a couple times, and when that happens it looks like pretty washed out SDR instead of HDR.

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Definitely not washed out to me. It is darker. I play Forza horizon 3 a lot and it is not only darker but lost most of it's pop.

The games hdr settings are maxed and it still looks dim

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Thanks guys, i had no idea because on another forum they said LG actually recently added that dark HDR game mode to 2017 sets as well and that makes it it seem like LG doesn't recognize it as a fault/error. So they actually do? That is great news.
I got an email from them asking for info and they said give them a few days to have techs check it and they will reply back

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That is good. Then we just have to be patient. After all they did add the HDR game mode too. Has HDR game mode always been dim or has it looked bright ar one point?
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That is good. Then we just have to be patient. After all they did add the HDR game mode too. Has HDR game mode always been dim or has it looked bright ar one point?
It looked great all the way up to this firmware. Picture was bright, details and darks looked great. I'm sure they will fix it

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Can you give a rough idea of what you had to set at to get this 2.35 curve? I've been wanting to use Warm 1 for a while now, but I'm not sure what settings I'll have to use to compensate. I'm planning on having Chad come out once I have a few more peripherals hooked up; I have no meter in the meantime...


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It takes a good amount of measurements and WB adjustments to hit the target. Like others, I try not to provide WB values as they are 99.99% useless between TV's

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It takes a good amount of measurements and WB adjustments to hit the target. Like others, I try not to provide WB values as they are 99.99% useless between TV's

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I gotcha, I just didn't know if you did much with the 2 pt or or not.


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I gotcha, I just didn't know if you did much with the 2 pt or or not.


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Actually not much was needed with 2pt. I can provide those later this week after I remeasure a few things.

For those interested, I would actually advise Warm 1 over Warm 2 even if you aren't able to measure and make WB adjustments.

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Actually not much was needed with 2pt. I can provide those later this week after I remeasure a few things.

For those interested, I would actually advise Warm 1 over Warm 2 even if you aren't able to measure and make WB adjustments.

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Glad to hear someone else confirm this! I felt crazy for thinking that before. I look forward to seeing your settings.


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