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Oh Jesus.

Anyone looking at doing calibrations, just don't use a PC or Laptop. The HDMI variations aren't worth it. Lol

I'm reverting back to using the Mobile Forge pattern generator app until I save up for a real pattern generator piece of hardware. Thought I had my laptop setup properly finally and nah.

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You'll need @Quebecker to help with this question as he's the PC expert. He plays a lot of PC games on his B6. Hopefully he'll chime in here and offer up his expertise. Or you could private message him as he's really helpful. Wish I could help you but I only Game on my PS4 Pro and Nintendo Switch. I hear PC gaming is the best though.

Ok thanks.

Why we can't use on Game Picture mode TruMotion , but on HDR Game mode we can ?

Why also Game Picture mode has Wide Color Gamut and HDR Game Mode you can change it to Normal and not greyed out....

Why there is a limit ?? LG needs to fix it with firmware update. Some games I want to use TruMotion , like 30 Fps locked games.
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Oh Jesus.

Anyone looking at doing calibrations, just don't use a PC or Laptop. The HDMI variations aren't worth it. Lol

I'm reverting back to using the Mobile Forge pattern generator app until I save up for a real pattern generator piece of hardware. Thought I had my laptop setup properly finally and nah.

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Have you tried HFCR with a chromecast?
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Have you tried HFCR with a chromecast?
No. I've always been setup with CalMAN. In the past I used Mobile Forge and then when I had a desktop I had it setup for accurate HDMI.

For the life of me I can't get my laptop to comply so I'm going back to Mobile Forge.

Which means it'll be at least one more day to do HDR reads for those interested.

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Ok thanks.

Why we can't use on Game Picture mode TruMotion , but on HDR Game mode we can ?

Why also Game Picture mode has Wide Color Gamut and HDR Game Mode you can change it to Normal and not greyed out....

Why there is a limit ?? LG needs to fix it with firmware update. Some games I want to use TruMotion , like 30 Fps locked games.
Yeah LG has made some weird choices about available settings in the Game Modes. It would be nice if it followed the same format as the other modes, just with all the extra processing defaulted to off and not locking things like Color Gamut.

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Still no one answered till this time.


What is the best mode to use as a PC Monitor Games/Movies ?

PC Icon + Game Picture Mode for gaming ?

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Game Console Icon + Game Picture Mode ?


using PC Icon it has the different of YcbCR 4:4:4 , Do I need it ? or it doesn't matter for us/me ?


Can someone properly answer this question, cause no one ask it, no one answer it , and they just skip to other non useful questions which being answered.
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Ok GL BCJ. Don't forget to spend more time enjoying your set than tweaking it!
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You'll need @Quebecker to help with this question as he's the PC expert. He plays a lot of PC games on his B6. Hopefully he'll chime in here and offer up his expertise. Or you could private message him as he's really helpful. Wish I could help you but I only Game on my PS4 Pro and Nintendo Switch. I hear PC gaming is the best though.

Ok thanks.

Why we can't use on Game Picture mode TruMotion , but on HDR Game mode we can ?

Why also Game Picture mode has Wide Color Gamut and HDR Game Mode you can change it to Normal and not greyed out....

Why there is a limit ?? LG needs to fix it with firmware update. Some games I want to use TruMotion , like 30 Fps locked games.
Game mode mean low lag. Trumotion introduce a lot of lag. This is why it's deactivated.

If you want to use some Trumotion, use another mode line ISF and put some of it. There will be lag however.

Finally, if you have a B6, the best mode is game console mode and game mode for game.

If you have a C6, use pc mode with game mode for game.

On the B6, pc mode introduce more input lag. On the C6, it does not.
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Yeah same here, I never saw image retention on my TV. Sometime after 2-3 hours of gaming with a static UI, I put a grey, white or red screen to see if I can see image retention, but still never saw it.

It's weird.

with this image any oled b6 will have image retention



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THE FIX IS SIMPLE CLEAR PANEL NOISE

or shut down the tv for a couple of hours

only this image will do it

shift panel function can be on

but to get image retation with this is simple put it wallpaper and do something for a couple of time
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Yeah, 30hz make it unplayable especially with that input lag.

I'll try your tip.

EDIT: Using 2X supersampling plus an extra TXAA the game look ok in 1080P, 60hz make it more playable but the imput lag is still too high.

The 2017 OLED have a DV game mode...We don't

did play games from pc with dolby vision ?? how ?
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Mass Effect Andromeda has DV support on PC and it looks quite good. I didn't know the 2017 Oleds have a DV game mode. Wonder if they could add it to the 2016s or if it's a hardware limitation.
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Interesting, good to hear. I've always been wondering that since it was revealed that it does show some extra detail in highlights.

I'll probably wait for BigCoolJesus's measurements comparing the two though, just to be sure.
If you want to test out how dim the current HDR game mode is, then adjust the OLED light down to 25 for the old HDR game mode implementation. That's about how dim the screen is now. It's absolutely not worth any extra detail in highlights, and over saturating the image with the wide colour gamut and destroying a consistent contrast level with dynamic contrast is not a fix. Furthermore, if LG thinks this HDR implementation is better, then why did they only change it for game mode? To me it just sounds like total horse crap, and instead of fixing the actual problem they're just doing the easy thing and telling everyone to turn on dynamic contrast, and sadly it seems to be working. Obviously the awful side effects of dynamic contrast are too subtle for the majority to pick up on, which really isn't surprising considering most folks value pop and flash over actual depth and accuracy.
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Ok thanks.

Why we can't use on Game Picture mode TruMotion , but on HDR Game mode we can ?

Why also Game Picture mode has Wide Color Gamut and HDR Game Mode you can change it to Normal and not greyed out....

Why there is a limit ?? LG needs to fix it with firmware update. Some games I want to use TruMotion , like 30 Fps locked games.
If you have a C6, you can use PC mode, however, PC mode has no Trumotion for any setting.

It will let you use true 4:4:4 though. This is the only mode that give you true 4:4:4 RGB

For movies, switch to ISF dark or Bright.

Game mode is locked at wide, but I'm quite sure it's still displaying normal if you put color value setting to 50. I tried to switch between Game mode and ISF dark calibrated and couldn't see any difference (if of course color temp are at the same value).

Don't have any hope for LG firmware
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with this image any oled b6 will have image retention



proof here :



THE FIX IS SIMPLE CLEAR PANEL NOISE

or shut down the tv for a couple of hours

only this image will do it

shift panel function can be on

but to get image retation with this is simple put it wallpaper and do something for a couple of time
My Windows wallpaper is a solid red screen.

Also called, Early Detection of Burn-In wallpaper

Thank for the info though
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did play games from pc with dolby vision ?? how ?
Mass Effect Andromeda is Dolby Vision. It look so good you want to cry.

The input lag is horrible however and locked in 30hz in 4k....

Anyway, it's unplayable.
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If you want to test out how dim the current HDR game mode is, then adjust the OLED light down to 25 for the old HDR game mode implementation. That's about how dim the screen is now. It's absolutely not worth any extra detail in highlights, and over saturating the image with the wide colour gamut and destroying a consistent contrast level with dynamic contrast is not a fix. Furthermore, if LG thinks this HDR implementation is better, then why did they only change it for game mode? To me it just sounds like total horse crap, and instead of fixing the actual problem they're just doing the easy thing and telling everyone to turn on dynamic contrast, and sadly it seems to be working. Obviously the awful side effects of dynamic contrast are too subtle for the majority to pick up on, which really isn't surprising considering most folks value pop and flash over actual depth and accuracy.
Again, a darker image your eyes can adjust to in a dark viewing environment as long as the image dynamics are still there.

But again I'm waiting for actual measurements before I make any decisions.

In the end if I upgrade and don't like it I can always use HDR standard mode. The difference in lag isn't really that much anyway.

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If you want to test out how dim the current HDR game mode is, then adjust the OLED light down to 25 for the old HDR game mode implementation. That's about how dim the screen is now. It's absolutely not worth any extra detail in highlights, and over saturating the image with the wide colour gamut and destroying a consistent contrast level with dynamic contrast is not a fix. Furthermore, if LG thinks this HDR implementation is better, then why did they only change it for game mode? To me it just sounds like total horse crap, and instead of fixing the actual problem they're just doing the easy thing and telling everyone to turn on dynamic contrast, and sadly it seems to be working. Obviously the awful side effects of dynamic contrast are too subtle for the majority to pick up on, which really isn't surprising considering most folks value pop and flash over actual depth and accuracy.
I played some uncharted today and with out DC even sunny outdoor areas look very dim. It's playable but I would rather have hdr off then to play like this.
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I played some uncharted today and with out DC even sunny outdoor areas look very dim. It's playable but I would rather have hdr off then to play like this.
I know, it sucks. What I'm saying is that dynamic contrast is a necessary evil with the current firmware, not a fix. The older implementation was much better. This new game mode has terrible contrast with highlights and the only way to make it look reasonable is with dynamic contrast and all of its drawbacks. Also, to LG, if this was a deliberate decision why was it omitted from the patch notes?
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I know, it sucks. What I'm saying is that dynamic contrast is a necessary evil with the current firmware, not a fix. The older implementation was much better. This new game mode has terrible contrast with highlights and the only way to make it look reasonable is with dynamic contrast and all of its drawbacks. Also, to LG, if this was a deliberate decision why was it omitted from the patch notes?
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I played some uncharted today and with out DC even sunny outdoor areas look very dim. It's playable but I would rather have hdr off then to play like this.
What TV do you guys have, C or B
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I know, it sucks. What I'm saying is that dynamic contrast is a necessary evil with the current firmware, not a fix. The older implementation was much better. This new game mode has terrible contrast with highlights and the only way to make it look reasonable is with dynamic contrast and all of its drawbacks. Also, to LG, if this was a deliberate decision why was it omitted from the patch notes?
I started another thread about this issue and I hope it makes more people call lg about this. Using DC is definitely not a fix and I hope people aren't happy with this approach. I would like to see how much input lag DC adds maybe that would change people's minds.
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What TV do you guys have, C or B
I have the e6 but it's the same as the c6 pretty much. I don't even know if the b6 has this issue or not, I thought it has not got the newest firmware yet.I just got a b7 for my bedroom I should hook up my PS4 in there and see how it compares.
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I have the e6 but it's the same as the c6 pretty much. I don't even know if the b6 has this issue or not, I thought it has not got the newest firmware yet.I just got a b7 for my bedroom I should hook up my PS4 in there and see how it compares.
We do have a dimmer HDR game mode, but it does not look that catastrophic.
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I have the e6 but it's the same as the c6 pretty much. I don't even know if the b6 has this issue or not, I thought it has not got the newest firmware yet.I just got a b7 for my bedroom I should hook up my PS4 in there and see how it compares.
I'd love to hear a response from someone who both owns a 2016 and 2017 model. A lot of people were saying that the 2017 models have a really dim HDR mode too, but I somehow doubt it's as bad as what the C6 and E6's recent firmware done. Oh, and as far as I know the B6 has always had a dim HDR game mode, but I'm also curious to see if it's as bad as the recent firmware for the C6 and E6. I'm C6 BTW.
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I'd love to hear a response from someone who both owns a 2016 and 2017 model. A lot of people were saying that the 2017 models have a really dim HDR mode too, but I somehow doubt it's as bad as what the C6 and E6's recent firmware done. Oh, and as far as I know the B6 has always had a dim HDR game mode, but I'm also curious to see if it's as bad as the recent firmware for the C6 and E6. I'm C6 BTW.
Na I seriously doubt the b6 is dimmer than the e and c
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I'd love to hear a response from someone who both owns a 2016 and 2017 model. A lot of people were saying that the 2017 models have a really dim HDR mode too, but I somehow doubt it's as bad as what the C6 and E6's recent firmware done. Oh, and as far as I know the B6 has always had a dim HDR game mode, but I'm also curious to see if it's as bad as the recent firmware for the C6 and E6. I'm C6 BTW.
Ok I pulled my PS4 pro into the bedroom and tested it out. I can say 100% the b7 does not have a dim picture. It looks like the e6 before the update. A easy way to test this is to put it into cinema mode with DC off then switch over to the game mode. They looked like the same brightness. On my e6 if I switch from cinema to the game mode the game mode is maybe 1/3 as bright.
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Alright, so I looked at it more tonight when I got home and the difference in the new and older firmware on the C6 is ridiculous. It's like running OLED light at 30% versus 100% HDR. The highlights have definitely been reduced and I recommend no one update their firmware if you have a C6. It honestly doesn't even look HDR anymore to my eye, but to each their own. I have no idea if the B6 is as bad since there are quite a few people in here saying that it isn't, but the C6 is AWFUL. I will probably downgrade the firmware this weekend and deal with the notifications.

Edit: Will attempt messing with it further later tonight, but so far this looks no bueno.

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I have the e6 but it's the same as the c6 pretty much. I don't even know if the b6 has this issue or not, I thought it has not got the newest firmware yet.I just got a b7 for my bedroom I should hook up my PS4 in there and see how it compares.
I'd love to hear a response from someone who both owns a 2016 and 2017 model. A lot of people were saying that the 2017 models have a really dim HDR mode too, but I somehow doubt it's as bad as what the C6 and E6's recent firmware done. Oh, and as far as I know the B6 has always had a dim HDR game mode, but I'm also curious to see if it's as bad as the recent firmware for the C6 and E6. I'm C6 BTW.
No the HDR game mode on the B6 was normal before the latest patch.
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If you want to test out how dim the current HDR game mode is, then adjust the OLED light down to 25 for the old HDR game mode implementation. That's about how dim the screen is now. It's absolutely not worth any extra detail in highlights, and over saturating the image with the wide colour gamut and destroying a consistent contrast level with dynamic contrast is not a fix. Furthermore, if LG thinks this HDR implementation is better, then why did they only change it for game mode? To me it just sounds like total horse crap, and instead of fixing the actual problem they're just doing the easy thing and telling everyone to turn on dynamic contrast, and sadly it seems to be working. Obviously the awful side effects of dynamic contrast are too subtle for the majority to pick up on, which really isn't surprising considering most folks value pop and flash over actual depth and accuracy.
Thanks for the tip. I haven't updated my C6 but I've been tempted by some of the comments here. It doesn't sound good so I think I'll wait. Is it possible that dynamic contrast in this particular mode has a different behavior than the standard HDR modes and that's why LG is pushing it as the solution? (I don't like DC for normal content).

I wonder though - a while back my son was playing Uncharted 4 HDR in a marathon session. Later in the day, I was in the room when the screen suddenly started flashing with green lines. It reminded me of a board failure video I found on YouTube. I panicked a bit and shut down the PS4 Pro. He said it happened to him once before on that day. Since then, I've limited his time on the set and there haven't been any issues at all. Occasionally we'll play an HDR game on the C6 but no marathon sessions. I know it's a long shot but I wonder if there's an issue LG is trying to prevent.
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Thanks for the tip. I haven't updated my C6 but I've been tempted by some of the comments here. It doesn't sound good so I think I'll wait. Is it possible that dynamic contrast in this particular mode has a different behavior than the standard HDR modes and that's why LG is pushing it as the solution? (I don't like DC for normal content).

I wonder though - a while back my son was playing Uncharted 4 HDR in a marathon session. Later in the day, I was in the room when the screen suddenly started flashing with green lines. It reminded me of a board failure video I found on YouTube. I panicked a bit and shut down the PS4 Pro. He said it happened to him once before on that day. Since then, I've limited his time on the set and there haven't been any issues at all. Occasionally we'll play an HDR game on the C6 but no marathon sessions. I know it's a long shot but I wonder if there's an issue LG is trying to prevent.
I think that's a handshake issue with the PS4 Pro. Many people have problems with that console, myself included, on many different TVs. Reddit's PS4 Pro subreddit is filled with people complaining about all of the issues with it. Some people say that replacing the HDMI cable with a certified one will fix it, but I've tried this and it did not fix anything for me. YMMV. I feel like it's a bug Sony needs to address with a FW update.
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No the HDR game mode on the B6 was normal before the latest patch.


Folks in the B/C7 forums are also having issues with HDR in both PC mode and with the youTube app. It broke/changed in a firmware update earlier in the summer.


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